A La Carte (2/21)

It’s Family Day today—a holiday recently bestowed upon us by our Provincial Government. We’ll take it. The funny thing is that it’s not a Federal (National) holiday. So national services such as mail continue today. Stores are closed, banks are closed, the post office is open. I always make sure to make fun of my mailman for having to work today.

Sharing With Your Wife - Brian Croft has an article targetted at pastors and elders and answering this question: How much information should you share with your wife?

King’s Cross - Tim Keller’s King’s Cross releases today and Westminster Books is offering what I believe is the best price on it—60% off for your first copy, 45% off for subsequent ones.

Christian Divorce Rate - I’m glad that someone is taking on this ridiculous statistic. “Christians divorce at roughly the same rate as the world! It’s one of the most quoted stats by Christian leaders today. And it’s perhaps one of the most inaccurate. Based on the best data available, the divorce rate among Christians is significantly lower than the general population”

Best Science Pictures - National Geographic offers a gallery of the best science pictures of 2010.

Dawn Treader - This blog offers up some interesting snippets of reviews of Voyage of the Dawn Treader focusing on its religious aspects.

God’s Providence in Salvation - Tom Martin is the (new) husband of a friend. It was great to hear his testimony as recorded at Covenant Life Church. Be encouraged as you hear how the Lord saved him.

Be laid aside in bed for a week. You will soon know whether you are a Christian or not. —D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones

Comments (10)

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Anonymous's picture

Many people who seriously practice a traditional religious faith — be it Christian or other — have a divorce rate markedly lower than the general population.”

This stat only says that religiously committed people divorce at a much lower rate. Want a more stable marriage? Join a religious group, believe its teachings, and get really involved. It’s not the Triune God and faith in Him that keeps a family together. It’s commitment to any belief you choose to adhere to. Go worship a rock. It will help your marriage. Gee, I feel much better now.

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Anonymous's picture

I thought Croft’s discussion on elders sharing with their wives was a little confusing. Should the elder team agree on what should and should not be shared and all abide by that or should individual elders determine what to share based on their knowledge of their wives’ ability to handle it properly and be helpful? He seems to suggest both.

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Anonymous's picture

Christian Divorce Rates — Years ago I volunteered at a well-known abortion alternative center. Pregnant women would come in and we would provide a free pregnancy test, would clearly state we were not an abortion clinic and explain alternatives for the mother and child. Part of the intake form included a question regarding the faith of the person coming in to receive our help. I was new at the organization and had to fill out the form. I asked the young lady if she was a Christian. She told me that she was not, but that she believed that a god existed although she did not really go to church. I asked if she had ever attended church she said she had once visited a Catholic church but that was years ago and she never really went. So, on the form I selected that she was not a believer. Later that week, the person in charge of the center called me into the office to question me about the fact that I had marked unbeliever. She said that very rarely anyone who came in was marked as “unbeliever”. I defended my choice and told her that the girl said so herself. The supervisor ignored my statements and asked if the girl had attended a church at any point in her life. I told her that she had only attended a Catholic church once and never went again and that she herself said she was not a Christian. The supervisor promptly told me “well, that is it, she is Catholic because she attended once so you have to change that on the form.” I protested that it was not accurate, but it didn’t matter. Those statistics from that office and others like it are sent to a database nationwide. These are the same stats they use to claim Christians have abortions at the same rate as non-believers. However, their definition of Christianity is extremely loose. The rule was that if the girl even stepped into a church or her parents went to a church then the girls were considered Christians and whatever denomination that was that is what they were marked (i.e., protestant, evangelical, etc.) After that incident I realized that a lot of the statistics that claim Christian women are getting abortions are likely skewed. I figured that other statistics were as well. I left the organization in disgust. The only reason I could figure they were doing this was to compel Christians to donate. It made me sick to my stomach that an organization that is supposed to have Christian values is being so deceptive. These days, I eye any statistic or research with great skepticism. I am glad someone else had the courage to say something. Thanks for the post.

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Anonymous's picture

I think Croft was saying that the elders as a group should decide what is to be kept in absolutely strict confidence, and individual elders then decide which of the information not under that restriction should be shared with their wives.

That was pretty much the model my husband followed when he was serving as an elder, though as far as I know there was no formal process of deciding what was “off limits” — I think there was more of a tacit understanding. Some things I didn’t hear because no one did, some things he shared because he felt it would be profitable, and some things that he might possibly have been free to share, he probably didn’t, on a “need to know” basis.

BTW, elders’ wives in churches that respect confidence tend to suffer from a “last to know” syndrome. Our husbands feel bound by their duties not to speak of certain things that nonetheless might be getting whispered around the congregation, but the whispers don’t reach us — either because people assume we must know, or because people don’t want what’s being said “to get back to the elders.” It can be most uncomfortable at times.

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Anonymous's picture

I think this is the most interesting statistic in the article.”Nominally attending conservative Protestants are 20 percent MORE likely to divorce, compared to secular Americans.”

I’d love to hear some commentary on why that is.

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Anonymous's picture

Kevin- Possibly because they’re poor. That’s a vector that isn’t available in the stats. For instance, if conservative protestants are inordinately poor then their poverty may be the main contributing factor to their divorce rate and not their conservative protestantism.

I read Brad Wright’s blog every once in a while (he doesn’t update it super often). His summary of various posts on Christian divorce rates is here:

http://brewright.blogspot.com/2006/12/christian-divorce-rates.html

The most damning statistic to those who would maintain that evangelicals are the most “tapped in” to the Holy Spirit’s ability to empower couples to stay together, or that they’re the most equipped to resist temptation to the sin of divorce, is this:

38%, frequent other religions

34%, frequent Evangelicals

32%, ALL FREQUENT CHRISTIANS

32%, frequent mainline Protestants

23%, frequent Catholics

Frequent evangelical attenders divorce at a slight lower rate than frequent non-Christians. However, among Christians, frequent mainline attenders and frequent Catholics divorce at even lower rates.

Some of this is no doubt due to the poverty disparity I mentioned above. I’m willing to bet that frequent mainline attenders are substantially better off financially (on average) compared to frequent evangelicals. It’s unfortunate that the underlying data isn’t good enough to allow for that aspect to be examined.

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Anonymous's picture

That’s odd… King’s Cross came out two weeks ago here in Aus. I knew we were ahead in the time zone equation, but not by that much!

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Anonymous's picture

wow anonymous! That is a crazy story! How horrible that they would work so hard to sway the statistics. BLAH!

Stuff like that bothers me so much!

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Anonymous's picture

@Ken All that quote is doing is accurately reporting statistics. It would be disingenuous to report that being a committed Christian made your marriage much less likely to fall apart if the stats showed that there was little difference between the faiths. Anyway, what stats can’t show is the quality of the marriage, for example, cultures which practice arranged marriage often have very low divorce rates (probably lower than most groups of committed Christians), but what percentage are happy? The stats can’t report these deeper issues. Nothing to worry about here!

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Anonymous's picture

@J.P.H.“…resist temptation to the sin of divorce…”. Ah, then I hope God repents of His “sin”, too (Jer. 3:8)

Ok, just kidding, sorta. Of course, I don’t believe God needs to repent of anything, rather it is man who needs to repent when we implicate God as a sinner and call something sin when clearly it is not always.