A La Carte (9/3)

Sometimes people ask me what A La Carte really is. The truth is pretty simple: it’s a round-up of things I noticed the day before (or sometimes that morning). It represents those few things that caught my eye as I went about my day. Sometimes they are profound things, sometimes they are funny things and sometimes they are just noteworthy for some other reason; occasionally they’re none of the above. All that binds them together is their ability to make me notice them. And here’s what I noticed yesterday:

Al Mohler’s Podcasts - As you know, Dr. Mohler recently discontinued his radio program. However, he will soon be back with not one, but two podcasts. The Briefing will “present a daily report of the important theological, cultural and ethical issues facing Christians in the 21st century.” Thinking in Public will be “an interview forum for intelligent conversation about frontline theological and cultural issues.” If you are an iTunes user, here are the iTunes links for Thinking in Public and The Briefing. It all begins next week.

How Amy Saved the Day - This post reminds me why I love to read Amy Scott’s blog. It’s just another bizarre snippet from her always-bizarre life.

Friending Old Flames - I think this is the kind of question Christians should be asking as they migrate to the digital world: Is it wise to "friend" old flames on Facebook?

Busyness Replaces Spirituality - Dave Kraft, author of Leaders Who Last: “Through the years I have come to some general conclusions about people, ministry, and leaders. One of them is that most people, in general, and leaders, in particular, try to do too much and work too many hours.”

Lord Jesus, Comfort Me - A new video for a new-old hymn from Matthew Smith:

Oh, but this word eternity, eternity, eternity; this word everlasting, everlasting, everlasting; this word forever, forever, forever, will even break the hearts of the damned in ten thousand pieces...Impenitent sinners in Hell shall have end without end, death without death, night without day, mourning without mirth, sorrow without solace, and bondage without liberty. The damned shall live as long in Hell as God himself shall live in heaven. —Sinclair Ferguson

Comments (9)

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Anonymous's picture

I miss Dr. Mohler, glad he is going to start the podcasts!

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Anonymous's picture

The “old flame” on Facebook question requires wisdom and not a blanket condemnation. It bothers me that Christians so quickly flee some of those situations automatically. It doesn’t seem very mature to me.

Regardless of whether we grew up in a dating culture or not, every culture deals with people who “have feelings ” for another person but don’t end up marrying that person. Every culture has to deal with adultery, no matter what their courtship and dating rituals are.

Which is why the article seems simultaneously naive and overly cautious at the same time.

Not every old flame is going to reignite some lingering spark. Honestly, some “fires” do die down. I have a consistent reader of my blog who is a Facebook friend, too, who was my “high school sweetheart,” and there’s not one iota in me interested in rekindling anything. Her friendship, though, is valuable. Like any valuable friendship, losing it would be a genuine loss, and I am better for having it than not.

On the other hand, those relationships that ended poorly or have lingering embers are probably best left alone. Too many, when toyed with, end in burning down one’s own house—or household.

The wisdom here is in knowing the difference and listening to the Holy Spirit. That’s where real discernment comes in. The blanket condemnation is not discernment at all, nor does it fit within normal life. In any mixed-sex group of people who spend time together, “feelings” will ebb and flow. I suspect that in many of those close groups, a blanket condemnation would eliminate all friendships with anyone of the opposite sex given enough time. Think back to some old youth groups you might have been in and ask how easily “feelings” shifted within that group.

I think many of us, especially in hard times, play the “What If I Had Only ____?” game. That’s more of the issue here. That this may involve someone we once had feelings for says less about that person and more about the lack we are experiencing in our own life. Understanding that lack and talking it through with trusted believers of the same sex is a wiser way to deal with the issue.

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Anonymous's picture

I agree with DLE. In, perhaps many, maybe even most, circumstances, there’s danger here. But there are many people for whom things like this are simply not an issue, so there shouldn’t be a blanket rule that prevents mature adults from maintaining friendly contact with one another.

Case in point: I was my husband’s second girlfriend. His first girlfriend was actually a very short dating relationship which ended when they mutually agreed they were better off as friends. She eventually married one of his best friends. When we still lived relatively geographically close, we were great friends as couples. There wasn’t even a hint of the idea that there was anything awkward between any of us.

Unfortunately, I haven’t managed to track them down on Facebook yet, but when I do, the idea that their reading messages on one another’s newsfeeds presents a problem to any of us seems little short of ludicrous. That’s not because things “can’t happen” that way — that’s because, given the history of the four of us, there are simply no unresolved feelings or similar things going on. She, as an “old flame,” poses no more danger to our marriage than any of the other women he might have as FB friends — all of which I’m aware of, BTW.

But again, that’s our personal experience. That does not by any means suggest that there might not be situations where keeping contact is a real problem. I’m just protesting the blanket prohibition in the name of “wisdom,” when there are too many cases where the dangers and issues just aren’t there. It’s not really “wise” to live in such fear of past relationships and the opposite sex that you don’t even rationally assess the situation, but just opt for a rule that takes care of everything.

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Anonymous's picture

Excellent and well thought out response to the “Old Flame” on Facebook, DLE!

Life is multi-dimensional, as are relationships. As Christians, we are to conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel, and that includes male/female relationships, married or unmarried, old and young. There is ample Scripture to show us the ground rules. Wisdom, propriety, and purity are key components to walking in a way that glorifies God. Everything else probably falls under the category of “issues of the heart” that most likely need care and attention, if not repentance.

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Anonymous's picture

D.L.E.,”It bothers me that Christians so quickly flee some of those situations automatically.”

I think you give people too much credit. As sinners, this type of thing opens the door for sin. That’s the point of the article. Why play with fire when it’s not necessary? “Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.”

Think back to some old youth groups you might have been in and ask how easily “feelings” shifted within that group. ”

This begs the question of whether these types of youth groups are really the best place to develop Biblical relationships. The fact that such “feelings” occurred in your youth group does not justify them, as many a “feeling” is a sinful one.

Pentamom, if most people who play with fire get burned, why should anyone play with fire and think they won’t get burned?

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Anonymous's picture

Michael: “I think you give people too much credit. As sinners, this type of thing opens the door for sin. That’s the point of the article. Why play with fire when it’s not necessary? ‘Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.’”

I would contend that perhaps you don’t give Spirit-filled saints ENOUGH credit. “And such WERE some of you” certainly means that the old life is no longer the standard by which you and I are to be identified.

If we are not careful in our discernment or how we apply Scriptures to all people in general, we can create theologies that violate the heart of God.

For instance, using the criterion you supply:

I had a crush on my 7th grade Sunday School teacher. I guess I should have fled Sunday School.

On the other side, I guess I should not have been a part of a ministry that went into gay bars to help men trapped in that lifestyle to find Christ. A sinful place, for sure, and a cauldron of broken sexuality.

Likewise, Jesus would never have talked with prostitutes as they might have been too much of a temptation. Yet He did so, and with great results, without sinning.

Yes, we must always be wise to our own weaknesses. But your weaknesses and mine are not the same. One person’s area of sexual sin is not another’s.

Likewise, when we apply blanket “rules” without genuine Holy Spirit-led discernment, we more often than not hurt other people by our callousness. And this in no way reflects well on Jesus or His Church.

Your comments about the youth group…well, I’m not sure how anyone can have ANY contact with the opposite sex in any situation based on what you imply. Just leaving one’s house would be a problem!

I will also comment that those of us who are married will be friends with other couples. Inevitably, at some point in time, you might have some kind of “feelings” for someone in that group of couple friends who is not your spouse. And those feelings, and even who they are directed toward, may vary widely, especially given the state of your own marriage or even if you just had a disagreement with your spouse the moment before you walked into your couple friend’s house. Fleeing is not always the answer, obviously. Adults work those issues out with God and with trusted friends. And they trust God for keeping, too. That’s how God intends. Again, we can’t sit locked away in our rooms all the time.

I say all this knowing that there are some women I would be better off NOT friending on Facebook. Sometimes, fleeing has to be an option. But that requires discernment, as it has consequences, often harsh ones.

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Anonymous's picture

DLE, I humbly bow to your great powers of personal control in areas that everyone is prone to sin. In your view, we are safe doing anything with the opposite sex, as long as it’s not 100% infedelity. I think you have let modern culture drive your hermeneutic on male/female relationships.

Keep in mind here we’re not talking about casual conversations with friends, but secretly checking up and even messaging past girlfriends/fiancees. This isn’t an strong vs. weaker brethren issue. Paul didn’t say “ff you think your weak in that sin, flee sexual immorality”. No, you flee from it no matter what. It’s playing with fire to contact and be enraptured by an ex lover. To think anything otherwise is to play with fire. “Can a man take fire in his bosom and his clothes not be burned? Or can a man walk on hot coals and his feet not be scorched? ”

One person’s area of sexual sin is not another’s.”

Sexual sin is everyone’s temptation brother. Believe otherwise and you’ve fallen into the trap already. We are born sinners and are all susceptible to all categories of sin.

On the other side, I guess I should not have been a part of a ministry that went into gay bars to help men trapped in that lifestyle to find Christ. A sinful place, for sure, and a cauldron of broken sexuality.”

I would argue it’s not necessary to visit a gay bar to minister to gay people, just like one doesn’t have to watch porn to minister to porn addicts or visit a Satanic ritual to preach to Satanists.

Likewise, Jesus would never have talked with prostitutes as they might have been too much of a temptation. Yet He did so, and with great results, without sinning.”

Jesus also said “I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

Your comments about the youth group…well, I’m not sure how anyone can have ANY contact with the opposite sex in any situation based on what you imply. Just leaving one’s house would be a problem!”

Your comment does not follow from my comments above regarding “the question of whether these types of youth groups are really the best place to develop Biblical relationships.”

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Anonymous's picture

Keep in mind here we’re not talking about casual conversations with friends, but secretly checking up and even messaging past girlfriends/fiancees.”

We are? I thought the topic was whether you should ever, under any circumstances, be “Facebook friends” with someone with whom you’ve had a past romantic relationship, and whether the answer to that should be, “Never.”

If interacting with someone, anyone, presents a temptation of any sort, then wisdom says that if there is not some greater necessity being served, flee, or at least limit the interaction to very public situations. But creating a blanket self-prohibition based on past history with complete disregard to the present situation and whatever has or hasn’t happened since isn’t wisdom, it’s substituting rules for wisdom, which simply doesn’t work.

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Anonymous's picture

The Briefing”? Isn’t he aware that name is already taken???

http://www.matthiasmedia.com.au/briefing/issues/does_god_feel_our_pain/