Though it seems amazing that it could have been so long ago, it has been 20 years since the Jim Bakker scandal made international headlines. Indicted on federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering, Bakker was subsequently convicted and sentenced to 45 years in prison. The sentence was later reduced and after spending less than 5 years behind bars, Bakker was released. But while he was free, his empire was shattered, his marriage over and his reputation forever tarnished. His family was devastated.
Jay Bakker is the son of Jim and Tammy Faye (now known as Tammy Faye Messner). Now in his early thirties, he was only a boy when his world fell apart. He reacted to his pain and embarrassment by rebelling, turning to drugs and alcohol. “The scandal exposed me to the pain and hurt that the church as well as the world can give,” he writes. “But through all of that, I searched to find out who God really was. What I discovered is that God is a loving God. I experienced his grace firsthand through life and through the Bible. As a result of this discovery, I started a church for those who feel rejected by religion; this church is called Revolution.” Heavily tattooed and pierced, sometimes foul-mouthed, and pastoring a church that meets in a bar, he does not fit the typical image of an American preacher and evangelist. With theology that often bears only a passing resemblance to the Christianity of the Bible, neither does his preaching fit the image of what we would expect from a Christian preacher and evangelist.
One Punk Under God is a six-part observational documentary series that will be broadcast on the Sundance Channel beginning on Wednesday, December 13th at 9:00 PM. Each of the episodes follows Bakker in his day-to-day activities which seem to revolve around preaching once a week at Revolution Church, meeting with his church leaders, visiting his mother who, sadly, is dying of cancer, and just generally hanging around.
I was able to watch the first three episodes of the series. The first of these introduces Bakker and the leaders of his church and follows him as he travels to the site of Heritage USA, the now-defunct Christian theme park that was built by his father in the 1980’s. Now a decaying and monstrous wreck, the park was once America’s third most popular vacation destination with almost six million visitors annually. In the second episode Jay preaches at a gay-affirming church called Open Door and soon begins to take a new stance on homosexuality, deciding, along with his wife and much of the church leadership, that they should also be a gay-friendly church. Unfortunately, the third episode was mysteriously missing from my screening copy of the DVD, but by the fourth episode Revolution Church is suffering from the fallout of the decision to be gay-friendly as many supporters have decided to withdraw their funds. Jay travels to Branson, Missouri to make a guest appearance on his father’s show “The New Jim Bakker Show.” Meanwhile his wife, who almost seems to admit that she is not a Christian at all, wants nothing more than for him to quit the ministry and to find another line of work. At the end of the episode he announces that his wife has been accepted to a pre-med program at New York University and that he will be moving there with her. I understand the the final two episodes of the series follow the Bakkers as they move to New York and settle into their new home in Brooklyn. Jay soon begins Revolution NYC.
One Punk Under God is another in a long line of shows (most of which play on TLC or A&E) that showcase a person most people otherwise could not possibly care less about. And yet the show somehow makes the viewer interested in the other person’s life. Bakker’s life is truly not too extraordinary, and yet because of the strangeness of his past, his ministry and his personality, it is intriguing. He looks like a punk, acts like a punk, and preaches to punks. If the short clips of his preaching are indicative of his skill, he is a very poor preacher, both in content and delivery, and must reach his small group of follows more through force of personality than through any other means. One reason I kept watching the episodes was to try to discover what it was that drew people to Bakker. After three episodes I still have no idea. Perhaps if I was part of a whole different subculture I might be able to understand.
Bakker’s theology is all over the map. In the second episode, where he first discusses the issue of homosexuality with his wife and then with the church’s leadership, there is little said that even hints at a Christian worldview. Jay studies his Bible, but only to show that Romans 2 (“For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself”) overrules Romans 1 (“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men”), with God’s overwhelming love for everyone overcoming His need for justice. He declares time and again to his congregation that God loves you “just as you are.” Bakker’s worldview may have some Christian influences, but it is clearly not consistently derived from Scripture.
The series is interesting, as much for background elements as for Jay Bakker. The trip to Heritage USA is sad—pathetic really—as cameras show the crumbling ruins of buildings, pools and amphitheatres. The shots of the inside of Tammy Faye’s house will make every viewer cringe at the decor that is easily as garish (and possibly more so) as Faye’s infamous makeup. Jim Bakker’s words, echoing those of his son, about God loving every person just as he is, will make viewers realize that Jim has still not discovered such an important component of the gospel message.
This series, though often poignant and interesting, is a sad testament to a tragic situation. We might have hoped that the fall of Jim Bakker would help his son return to the Bible his father so clearly forsook. Unfortunately this does not seem to be the case. Jay Bakker seems to be wandering further and further from biblical Christianity, defining his ministry with theology that is far from what the Bible teaches.
If you are interested, you can watch the first episode for free through iTunes. In the future the entire series will be available for purchase through iTunes for $9.99.




Comments (39) »
1. Seth McBee
December 6, 2006
12:08 PM
Wow, this is very sad. It is also just going to be another way where people can look to us as the “crazy Christians” even though Bakker and his son resemble very little what true Christianity really is. May we all pray for their salvation and hope only in Christ.
2. Evelyn
December 6, 2006
12:36 PM
“Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.” Galatians 6:7-8
3. donsands
December 6, 2006
12:55 PM
As I read the part about Heritage USA I saw Jerry Falwell sliding down a water-slide in his suit.
Another example of being indifferent to the Bible. And making up our own rules and truth really.
Thanks for sharing this. I’ll pray for him as well.
4. Bill Jones
December 6, 2006
1:08 PM
This is as much a reflection on the media’s desire for the “new” and “different” as it is on what this young man went through and what he made of it.
I feek sad for the suffering the young Baker (Bakker?) endured, but I can’t endorse what he chose to make of it.
It will be interesting to see how long this phase of his life lasts. Later in life his views may change.
5. TimC
December 6, 2006
1:43 PM
I met Jay about three years ago when he came as a guest speaker to my church. I guess the leadership thought he was edgy. I couldn’t for the life of me figure out why they allowed him in the pulpit. As you observed his speaking is contentless and his delivery boring right up to the point that he started to (I swear this is true) cry like his momma did. Truly weird.
Interesting to see where his life has taken him since. Well, maybe not that interesting after all.
6. John K
December 6, 2006
1:48 PM
There is vast difference between telling an unsaved person that, “God loves you the way you are,” (which is the message they perhaps need to hear), and leaving them the impression that God loves the way they are. If a person comes to a true faith in Jesus Christ, of course, God will not long leave them “the way they are.”
With regeneration will come the conviction that the way they are is not the way they should stay.
7. MH
December 6, 2006
3:16 PM
Is he flexing???
Anyway, as Bill Jones said, “It will be interesting to see how long this phase of his life lasts. Later in life his views may change.” This seems to be the most likely possibility. Jay Bakker’s way of thinking is so groundless that it simply will not last. I hope and pray that the change comes when he discovers the gospel of Jesus Christ, but, sadly, the most likely event is that he will get burned out on the meaninglessness of his message and forsake even his own “attempt” at Christianity. But you know, this reminds me of the fact that we all must be constantly preaching the gospel to ourselves, lest we wake up one morning and realize that we don’t really believe this.
8. Josh
December 6, 2006
4:55 PM
I remember that I used to get ticked off at those televangelists because I had to wait until their shows were done before I could watch the few cartoons that came on TV Sunday morning. It couldn’t have been easy on him as a kid…that’s a rough deal. Still thirty is plenty old to “examine yourself”.
Josh
“…the word of God is not bound.”
2 Timothy 2:9
9. Steve
December 6, 2006
6:00 PM
It is never easy to watch the decay of another’s life, but perhaps in a very real way the, now defunct, park reflects the spiritual lives of those who created it.
I can only shake my head, that Jay’s search for God has not led him any further down the path than it seems, by the story you just outlined.
10. Randy Hurst
December 6, 2006
8:54 PM
Amen to John K’s comment. How simply and profoundly put.
TO ME - all the Bakkers have appeared to be “Christain-Lite” or “Bizarro-church” in their ministries. Surely, surely, this is not what Paul meant when he said that God has chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.
randy
11. Steve Camp
December 6, 2006
8:57 PM
This is cause for prayer. I have five children (four os which are teenagers) and I pray everyday that the Lord would protect them from the enemy; equip them to lead a godly life; and use them for His glory. Parenting is tough stuff and not for cowards. When I see this young man (whom I met when he was a child) I am moved with compassion for him.
As I read about this young man, I was stirred in my heart of the depth of my own sinfulness and depravity. Apart from God’s restraining grace, beloved, all of us could find ourselves in the most unthinkable of places and conditions; and worse, succumbing to the most heinous of sins.
As the prophet has said, Jer. 17:9 “The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; who can understand it? Jer. 17:10 “I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, even to give to each man according to his ways, according to the results of his deeds.”
I just came from visiting a family at the Baptist Hospital whose newborn son is suffering from a chromosome issue that will have profound effect on this family unless the Lord heals this precious boy. We must trust the Lord for our children at avery stage of life… don’t we?
May the Lord Jesus bring this young man Jay to the end of himself; but also to God Himself, so that he might be a vessel fit for the Master’s use and a voice to herald the life-giving truth of the gospel. (Titus 2:12; 2 Tim. 2:22-25).
In His Unfailing Love,
Steve
Col. 1:9-14
12. John Santic
December 6, 2006
9:26 PM
Sounds like a Christian version of the Ozzborne’s…
What saddens me is that the culture wants nothig more than a voyeristic fix on anyone willing to be a spectacle. what perplexes me is that there are Christians who walk right into the trap…
13. carissa
December 6, 2006
10:04 PM
wow, i really like john k’s comment. that helped me to succintly verbalize something that’s hard to explain accurately. thanks john k! :]
14. Blake Law
December 7, 2006
12:17 AM
Tim,
I would hazard to say that by appearing on your website this guy has achieved the best possible publicity that he could, because of the prayers people are offering for him.
15. Mark
December 7, 2006
8:53 AM
I think that Jay ministry is definitely a reaction to the hurt that he has experienced in the past. When the scandal went down, there were a lot of christian leaders, and christians who judged and condemned his family. Many of these people were his families friends before the scandal. While I do not agree with all of Jay’s theology and approach, I do believe that he needs to be restored by the church, and that can only happen by the church welcoming him. I think that part of the welcoming by the church needs to be guidance in his beliefs and theology. But, this guidance needs to come from a place of love. We do NOT need to set up a wall between the Church and his church. It amazes me sometimes how self-righteous we can be just because our theology is better than someone else’s. It is also typical that our attitude is that when we welcome someone that means we are automatically affirming everything they do, say, or believe. That is simply not the case, and it wasn’t the case of how Jesus behaved. Jesus welcomed people and then dealt with their sin. He did not call the sinners to dinner if they got clean. He called them to dinner, loved them, and led them in truth. All of that being said, Jesus was also the hardest on those religious people who studied the scriptures, and I think that Jay need to have men in his life who can help lead him in the word. Long comment, must stop rambling…
16. Wendy H
December 7, 2006
9:28 AM
I read this with interest. I saw at a christian music festival where Jay was one of the speakers. He packed out the tent he was in, full of young people who look like he does. I got a seat outside (being old lol) and listened to his talks. It was very upsetting, he did nothing but attack the church and Gods people. The kids hung on his every word. He even shard that his best friend was a satanist. (what fellowship has darkness with light?) saying htier relationship was even closer that that with his wife.
I will say that he does know how to connect with young people, even though he is teaching a different gospel. In the laight nights you could find him out um,ong the kids talking to them, being there.
The things he said in his seminar were so out there that the director of the festival went to him and told him he would not be coming back. This is NOT a conservitive group by any means, lots of different looking and thinking believers. But he was so over the line they even told him it was too far.
I do believe we need to pray for him, Satan has really done a number on that whole family.
17. Travis Seitler
December 7, 2006
9:54 AM
Tim, have you read Jim’s book I Was Wrong? I’m curious to know how “in the loop” you are regarding Jim Bakker (beyond the clip from his show, that is). It at least seemed like he’d come around…
18. Marie Liotta
December 8, 2006
11:59 PM
God, help us in this country where our wealth allows us so much luxury to fragment into so many different identities. In America we can be so many things - hence all these subcultures that our youth get sucked into. I am so grieved on behalf of this young man, his marriage and the family of his birth. Yet, I am also grieved for the many young people who would willingly, but yet blindly follow Jay simply because he is willing to stand up behind a microphone or on a stage. Could we pray for him and his family but not neglect to pray for those on whom his misguided message would inflict eternal harm? God, please help us not to remain silent due to complacency or fear. Help us to intercede and intervene. Amen.
Marie
19. SolShine7
December 10, 2006
1:19 AM
Challies,
I’m 24 and when I heard about this project earlier this year I was excited to see the show. I haven’t seen it yet, and I still want to. I totally understand the appeal of the punk-church setting. Many younger people feel like the older traditional churches are too…uptight. Why don’t some churches speak out on the issues that need to be talked about like AIDS, immigration, and the sex industry (porn, human trafficking, etc)?? Too many churches are still racially segrated, why? These are the kind of things that many younger people want to change.
Jesus didn’t rub shoulders with the traditonal uptights of His time. He hung out with the outsiders, ministered to those upper-class society frowned down on. His ministry was weird, radical and beautiful. Some of the best minstries today would be classified the same way, like the XXXchurch, JC’s Girls, Beauty for Ashes and Exodus Ministries.
I’m not saying I agree with everything Jay Bakker says, I haven’t seen the show yet. And if indeed he is doing and saying stuff that goes against the Bible teachings, I’m not going to overlook that because he seems cool. But someone doesn’t have to be the best speaker to be used by God (i.e. Moses) and God does use the foolish things to shame the wise.
Good topic!!! I really enjoy your blog.
20. donsands
December 10, 2006
2:00 PM
solshine,
I understand where you’re coming from. There’s a narrow spiritual balance beam we need to walk here.
The Church is to be seperated from the world. We come together to worship in Spirit and truth. We come to be taught the Holy Scriptures. We come to be encouraged in fellowship, and everything we do needs to be supported with much prayer
The Church is a light and salt in a dark and polluted world. We need to speak the truth in love. We need to be righteous, and godly.
And we surely do need to be out in the world sharing the gospel.
There’s so much more, but I hope you understand that there is a lot of false teachers in the Church, more so then ever perhaps. Take heed, the Lord tells us, for false teachers, and false messiahs will appear, and they may even, if possible, beguile the very elect of the kingdom.
21. Rich
December 10, 2006
6:36 PM
Jay is proabaly the most honest one in the family! His parents are two of the most corrupt human beings (besides Falwell) to ever exist! The only problem with Jay is that he actually believes that there is an invisible man in the sky.. If he and others took his view of acceptance the world would be a much better place….. So called “christians” don’t have a clue about this…… what a shame…
22. STACIE
December 11, 2006
9:20 AM
I DON’T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING, BUT I DO LET OUT A SIGH OF RELIEF THAT THIS YOUNG MAN IS TALKING OF “GOD’S LOVE” THAN MURDER AND MAYHEM. JUST MY OPINION.
23. FlameGurl
December 11, 2006
2:01 PM
As usual, I really appreciate Steve Camp’s caring comments, his urging to pray for this man, and his reminder that but for the grace of God, any one of us could be walking the same path as Jay Bakker. If I can access this program for free someplace, I will watch it but it’s probably more morbid curiousity driving me than anything else! LOL I think the thing that bothers me most is the same thing that is so prevalent in culture today, calling anyone who even mentions the name of Jesus a Christian, no matter how far their teachings stray from the Bible.
24. Sandy
December 11, 2006
8:28 PM
This is very heartbreaking to read and hear. I saw Jay on an interview this morning with “Good Morning America” and I could not believe my eyes or ears. However; people can always excuse their choices in life….because that’s just what it is….an excuse. Most of us have heartache in our life. I was raised by parents who divorced, a mother who is an acoholic and a heavy smoker, a mother who had an extra marrital affair, a step mother who was very hard to live with…and the list goes on….but praise God…I found a good church and got involved in the youth group. It was there that I accepted Christ as my personal Savior. Jay needs to meet the real Jesus!! The Jesus who yes, talked to sinners….the outcasts….but did he leave them there? NO!! He changed their lives forever!! Look at Mary Magdalene….did Christ leave her in the muck and mire? No, he cleaned her up!! Why? Because she wanted to be cleaned!! She wanted to follow Jesus and be changed. Jay is preaching the wrong message to these poor souls. They need to be shown the real Jesus too!! Jesus can change their lives as well!!
25. bethany
December 11, 2006
9:09 PM
i was on staff at revolution under jay for three years, and i have to say that during that time i truly met god for the first time. i had grown up in church all my life, but the sad part is that i never heard the word grace until i arrived at revolution the first time back in 1999. is jay perfect, no, but who is? i am not sure if his theology has changed but, lets face it there are millions of opinions out there, and i hope that that any true follower of god would take a step back and see that jay is a child of god just like the rest of us here on earth, and until we get to heaven we will never know the entire truth of god. so how about everyone stop judging jay and his family and friends and just love them. i keep reading these comments about people questioning his faith, who do we think we are, cuz i know i’m not god, and i’m pretty sure you guys aren’t either. so lets let god be in charge of jay’s heart and everyone elses for that matter, and lets just be the hands and feet of jesus.
26. John Kivell
December 11, 2006
10:24 PM
Comment by Rich: “The only problem with Jay is that he actually believes that there is an invisible man in the sky.. “
Rich, if you’re trying to debunk Christianity, surely you could do better than this straw man comment. I’ve seen this over and over again, where a skeptic holds up a ridiculous caricature of Christianity and thinks he has accomlished something by making it look unreasonable. Talking about an “invisible man in the sky” only displays your ignorance of the truth of the Christian faith.
27. Jani
December 12, 2006
7:15 AM
Interesting comments so far.
I’m actually Bethany’s mom (see two comments up) and I can tell you that being at Revolution and hearing the truth about God’s grace changed her life. She had been seriously hurt by the traditional church twice and wasn’t attending church anymore. She wasn’t sure she even wanted anything to do with God anymore because of the way she had been treated. Following her (not perfect) involvement with Revolution, she was able to heal and return to church. Now she is active in ministry again and she and her husband love the Lord and are raising their child in a loving, grace-filled, Christian home.
I don’t know what Jay is teaching now regarding homosexuality, because I personally haven’t heard him speak about it yet, and I won’t listen to comments/thoughts/judgements in the media because I have worked in that arena and know how screwed up they can be — twisted to change their true intent.
I do not believe God condones homosexuality, but I have friends who are homosexual. I also don’t believe God condones my sin of gluttony or pride — or your sin of judgementalism or greed.
I wonder that we don’t have blogs about those issues. Maybe they just aren’t interesting enough, or maybe we are afraid we will see OUR name there.
Have a great holiday, let’s all try to relax a little, love one another and serve each other — it’s a great way to expend all this energy!
Jani
28. donsands
December 12, 2006
7:32 AM
Bethany & Jani,
Jesus our Lord does want us to judge the actions and teachings of others. We don’t judge the motives of hearts, but we certainly better be judging the teachings, and actions of any one who says he speaks for God.
Take heed, and don’t be fooled. There are many different gospel’s, and even different Jesus’ being preached. Many wolves in sheep’s clothing, as the Apostle Paul warned us. Acts 20:28
The Scriptures are the foundation of the Church. Without the Bible Satan will lead anyone around. We are no match for him, but with the Scriptures, and the power of the Holy Spirit, one small word will fell him.
Sometimes the Church can surely leave a bad taste in ones mouth, I agree.
But if we taste the Lord we will see that He is good! Jesus Christ is “near to those who have a broken heart, and saves such as have a contrite spirit”. Psalm 34:8,18
May the Lord continue to bless and keep you both. Amen.
29. jani
December 12, 2006
10:00 AM
I have no intentions of ongoing conversations on this blog, so this will be my last — but did want to say that of course I understand our responsibity to judge for ourselves the truth of teaching, etc. We are not to rely on anyone else - be it parent, teacher or pastor to read and interpret the Bible for us. We must be always wary and watchful of false teaching. However, it is not my responsibility to get on a blog and judge someone else. That’s all I’m saying - peace.
30. Dr. Ronald W. Whitworth
December 12, 2006
5:14 PM
I have read the comments made by people concerning Jay Bakker. They say they are not judging, Jay Bakker. or his parents and yet all I have read are judgments of one kind or another. It was terrible the way public opinion, Jerry Falwell, and the Federal courts treated, Jim Bakker. I cannot begin to imagine the pain, Jim Bakker’s, family must have felt. The fact any one of the Bakker family turned out to be anything at all attests to the grace and mercy of God. Remember, Jesus, came to proclaim God’s love for mankind. The public in, Jesus, day showed their appreciation by crucifying Him. Then Jesus rose again. I hopeing that, Jim Bakker an his family will rise again only to overcome that have been done to them.
31. donsands
December 12, 2006
8:34 PM
I had a thought on judging.
There’s not a blanket statement on judging in the Scriptures. The world will tell us, the Church, “You can’t judge me”. That’s true in one sense, and wrong in another.
Jesus said, “Judge not, that you be not judged.”
He also said, “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgement.”
Also, Paul says, “Do you not judge those who are inside? But those outside God judges. Therefore ‘put away from yourselves the evil person.”
I hope this isn’t too much of a rabbit path, but the whole subject of judging, and what the Bible says is something we all need to take time and read, study, and even meditate upon.
I would encourage us all to do so.
32. Steve Camp
December 12, 2006
11:36 PM
To all on this thread:
I was wondering how many have watched the first episode of “One Punk Under God” yet? You can see it free at iTunes.
After watching it IMHO, I was left with the unmistakable impression that this is a man who desperately wants to be in relationship with his father and aches over the “lost years” between he and his dad. He is pained that his dad is still “too busy” for him; who won’t even make it a priority to return his phone calls.
This journey of OPUG seems to be Jay’s way of awkwardly working through all the tragic happenings surrounding his mom and dad.
I didn’t see a heretic here in the classic sense. I didn’t see one who was well studied and versed in theology and the Scriptures given over to purposely deceiving and infiltrating the body of Christ with unsound doctrine and theological error. I would not put him in that camp at all (and that doesn’t mean there weren’t some profound biblical concerns—there were). But what I saw was a hurting, confused, and in some ways lonely man that is trying to make sense of the bazaar events that have shaped and impacted his life.
If any of us had been raised in Heritage USA - PTL Club - Theme Park surroundings with the scandals that still follow him by association in name and relationship because of mom and dad—how would be handling it, living and coping? We have to admit, that this is some pretty twisted and tough stuff to deal with beloved.
IMHO, this episode drove me to further pray for him and his family.
In His Unfailing Love,
Steve
1 Cor. 13
33. scott alderson
December 13, 2006
1:28 AM
I have not yet seen the show, nor do I have any knowledge of his ministry to date. however I am reminded of my recurring concern with the Church by some of the comments in this strain.
why is it that we do not openly, and eagerly address the very real issues that confront our world as a whole; and more specially believers (AIDS, genocide, segregation and hate, homosexuality, heretics in the pulpit, et cetera).
I am a firm believer in the notion of judgement as advocated above (paul’s writings to timothy; see a few posts above), but why is it that our judgement seems to stop with our comfort zone? there MANY of us young professionals, and other “twenty-somethings” that have a hard time synthesizing our deep belief in, and love for, the Lord with the hands-off (near excessive) piety of what has become known as “THE Church.” there is a very real daily struggle in young believers today, and it is my experience that this is the primary cause.
we are taught to be in this world, not of it. it seems that Christianity, as currently defined, has made the concerted effort to attempt to segregate itself from “the world” as the easy way to avoid being “of it.” what impact can we have on this world if we avoid the issues that Christians are taught to affect?
jay bakker may be reaching that crowd through the mere effort to speak to them; even if his “theology” is a bit out of line with more dogmatic approaches.
34. Brett
December 13, 2006
2:41 AM
Jay did a great job in the series. He is honest, unlike those making comments here about how they can see Jay isn’t as “good” as they are. I like how everyone keeps judging him. Who are you to judge? God will judge, not you. Don’t forget it.
35. Robert Pavich
December 13, 2006
8:29 AM
I also have been reading the comments posted about this article.
My first question is this: Has Jay Bakker even read the bible beyond propping up his pet scriptures to support his ministry? Can anyone say “ripping verses out of context?”
We are to be wary of wolfs in sheeps clothing, study the word, know what it says, and do what it says. Not make up our own God to suit ourselves which is what Jay has done.
When will we, as believers, not let just anything pass for obedience to Christ?
36. Lover not a fighter
December 14, 2006
12:07 AM
I was waffling as to whether or not I should attend Revolution in New York. I was afraid it might be the same-old Christianity cloaked as “something new and cool.” But after reading the angry comments of people on this page, I remembered what true Christianity is — hatred cloaked as love hidden in a self-righteous prayer. What horrible, hateful people you all are. Now I know that I should attend.
37. donsands
December 14, 2006
8:27 AM
Hey lover not a fighter,
Could you identify some of those angry comments?
I don’t think any of these commentors hate Jay. This is where judging is wrong. Judging all these commentors as people who are hateful is very wrong.
38. Michelle
December 14, 2006
1:35 PM
I think it’s really sad the way people have taken this show and just hit back with bible verses and once again “attacked” the whole point behind the show.
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.
I was raised in Christianity and honestly I have never been involved in something so hypocritical. For some reason people take the Bible and disect it to make it say what they want it to.
In the end, the entire message we get from the New Test. is that we are to love one another as brothers and sisters in Christ.
Why has everyone seemingly forgot Jesus defended the prostitutes. He was not judgemental and just loved people. That is what we are supposed to do.
If you are a Christian, do what you are supposed to and leave the judgement to God.
It is so truely unfortunate that so many make the gay community feel unwelcome and basically “highlight” what they find to be their sin.
That is between them and God and if you truely believe in God, you should also believe he will reveal their “sin” to them without you making them feel like a 2nd rate citizen or bashing them for it. God is love. That is what should be preached…and for all the “Christians” out there who keep saying “This is not what Christianity is about”, get off your high horse and start accepting and loving people…prove it.
39. donsands
December 14, 2006
2:16 PM
“people take the Bible and disect it to make it say what they want it to”
Amen to that Michelle. Amen indeed.
We, as servants of Christ, and ambassadors of His truth need to share the whole truth of the Bible, I agree.
“Love rejoices in the truth”, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Galatians 6:14