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05/04/07
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Education and Division

I will probably regret writing this article. It is an article about homeschooling and is posted in a place where thousands of people are going to read it and have the ability to comment on it. You do the math! But I feel compelled to post on a subject that I feel is of great importance to me and, even more importantly, of great urgency to the church.

Yesterday my sister forwarded an article to me. It was written by Kim C., a blogger who is quite popular, especially among the young mom crowd and who blogs at Life in a Shoe. This particular article, which was since enthusiastically picked up by some other bloggers and which gained many positive comments, dealt with homeschooling and was actually Kim’s response to a question posed by one of her readers. The question was, quite simply, “Could I ask, what motivated you to make the choice to educate your own children, and what has sustained your decision when other people put their two bits in?” Kim’s reply was quite short but very telling and she appended to it some information for the rest of her readers. I felt compelled to write a reply not because her article offended me, but because the things she said are so often said by proponents of homeschooling. And I want to reply to a few of them because they represent some serious misconceptions and even dangers to the church. So in a sense my reply to her is a reply to many homeschoolers I’ve spoken with, emailed with, or whose articles I have read.

The crux of Kim’s answer is this: “To put it simply, we believe that God has entrusted these children of His to our care, with a charge to train them up in the way they should go (Prov 22:6), to raise them in the fear and admonition of the Lord (Eph 6:4), to speak of Him with and to our children when we rise up and lie down, in the house and out, through every part of our days and our lives (Deut 6:4-9).” Kim believes, as do I, that parents are ultimately responsible for the education of their children. But there are some significant areas in which she and I would disagree. In her next sentence she writes, “We can’t do this if we send them away for 8-10 hours/day.” In other words, we cannot fulfill the mandates of Scripture if we send our children elsewhere for 8 to 10 hours every day.

I have three things to say about this, all of which are premised on my view that Kim and many other homeschoolers misuse these texts, but most notably Deuteronomy 6. The sentence “We can’t do this if we send them away for 8-10 hours/day” is unsupported by the passages listed.

First, do a Google search for “Deuteronomy 6 homeschooling” and you’ll see just how often these verses from Deuteronomy are used as a defense of homeschooling and as rationale for not sending children to public schools. I have encountered this line of reasoning many, many times. I am confident in saying that these verses do not require parents to serve as school teachers to their children. It may inform the way we school our children but it is not meant as God’s word on methodology. This understanding cannot be supported by the text without doing damage to its most natural meaning. I don’t have a lot of commentaries on Deuteronomy but I certainly couldn’t find one that even hinted at this meaning. People who use these verses need to be very careful not to rip them out of context and make them say things they do not mean. These verses certainly do teach that parents are to raise their children to love and fear and serve the Lord. The verses teach that this is a task that requires more than Sunday morning sermons. But they do not teach that we need to be with our children every moment and through every life experience. We are to raise our children so that they love the Lord and this is the end to which these verses point. This does not mean that we need to teach our children Christian math, but that we need to teach our children what it means to be a Christian and to be one in this evil, fallen world.

The second thing I’d like to say about this line of reasoning is that it assumes that being involved in a child’s education requires being immediately involved by taking the role of teacher. The reality, though, is that at some level we all delegate responsibility to someone else. For example, homeschooling parents typically delegate the preparation of a curriculum to someone else. They may also delegate marking or tutoring or other elements. They delegate spiritual instruction (in most cases) to pastors or Sunday school teachers. On the other hand, parents who choose to send their children to public or Christian schools choose to delegate both the curriculum and the teaching to someone else. This is but one step removed. Either way, we all have to make choices about who is involved in the training of our children and how much involvement we allow them to have. To suggest that only homeschooling parents have involvement in the education of their children is far too simplistic. I believe I can best teach my children the fear and admonition of the Lord by placing them in public schools.

Third, these two lines of reasoning can be extended to ridiculous levels. Are parents to keep their children at home through college or graduate school? Should parents also take immediate responsibility for driving lessons or swimming lessons? Sooner or later we have to come to the end of what parents feel they need to be responsible for. Sooner or later we come to the end of home-based education, but I am not convinced that a woodenly literal reading of the verses quoted earlier can be adapted for this. I’d also suggest that the line of reasoning could be applied to other issues such as personal holiness with dangerous consequences. The Bible tells us to be holy and to live in a way that is holy. We could just as easily argue that this is difficult or impossible to do in a secular setting. Should Christians then refuse to work with unbelievers lest they keep us from our ultimate goal of becoming holy? To what extent do we surrender to the world and assume that we can no longer coexist?

In short, I think it is disingenuous to suggest that Christians who elect to send their children to school, whether public or Christian, are somehow disobeying what the Bible teaches about raising our children to fear the Lord and that we are deliberately uninvolved in the education of our children. It also raises many difficult questions. Is a single father, who needs to work to provide for his family, sinning if he places his children in a public school? In nations where homeschooling is not allowed should parents disobey the government and educate their children themselves? Am I sinning by putting my children in public schools? The consequences of this line of reasoning can be dangerous and divisive.

We will move on. Kim’s argument moves into the realm of the painful when she provides unsubstantiated statements like “the system was conceived upon the tenets of Marxism and Darwinism” that it “is paid for by theft.” These statements, which again, I have heard multiple times, are unsubstantiated and painful to read. If homeschoolers continue to use such statements they need to research them, substantiate them and then decide whether they are acceptable criticisms to use as a defense of their choice of education.

Kim suddenly goes on the defensive for a moment, saying “I would love to hear about the ‘negatives’ of homeschooling. I think that many of the standard objections are based upon the false presupposition that institutionalized schooling is a good thing and homeschoolers ought to try to duplicate it in their homes. These people miss the point: we are not trying to do school like they do, but better. We are educating our children in an entirely different way because we have entirely different goals.”

I will take up this challenge, though I will not speak of the “negatives” of homeschooling. Rather, I will speak of what I believe are some of its potential dangers. I term these dangers because not all parents will fall prey to them. Rather, I’d suggest that these are common potential dangers. And, certainly, even the most militant homeschool parent must admit that there must be dangers to homeschooling just as there are dangers to anything else we, as sinful people, undertake. I am well aware that there are potential dangers in sending children to public school. Maybe some day I can address those.

I think one of the clearest dangers of homeschooling is shown in articles like the one I’ve referred to today: it can breed division in the church either through what is said or through how it is said (and in the case of Kim’s article, I’d suggest both). Homeschooling can be and too often is a negative and divisive force in the church. Please hear me when I say that this is not always the case. But I feel that homeschoolers need to be very careful with this issue. I have written before about how a greater ideology lies behind the decision to homeschool and I stand by that belief. In far too many cases that ideology leads to division. Homeschoolers can take what is clearly a disputable matter and elevate it to the status of something far greater. This always leads to disunity! Carey Hardy, who has had far more experience with this than I have, has said, quite rightly I believe, that homeschoolers bear the greatest part of the responsibility for lack of unity arising from this issue within local churches (link). His exhortation is timely and biblical: “A pastor must graciously but firmly bring Romans 14 to bear on the thinking of his people if any disunity over this issue is surfacing.” This is not an issue of sufficient importance that we allow it to divide Christians.

A second danger, which is related to the first, is in the possibility of feeling a sense of superiority over those who choose to put their children in public schools or a sense of superiority in the education homeschooled children will receive. I have addressed in the past the fact that, for my family and for countless others, the choice to put our children in public school is made on the basis of biblical conviction. We are not necessarily committed to having our children in public schools from now until the time they graduate. For the time being, though, and for the situation we are in, we are convinced that this is the best choice for our family and for our children. We are convinced that it is the biblical choice. Statements like this one, “we are not trying to do school like they do, but better,” are all too common and both sting and divide. Not only does it divide us into the two camps of “us” and “them,” but it also suggests that homeschooling is innately, objectively superior and that it is always the right choice for all families. We see this again in Kim’s statement that “We must use the Bible to judge between right and wrong, and we must act in clear conscience (Rom 14:5).” She (probably inadvertently) sets these two statements against each other, saying that there is objective right and wrong and that we must move forward with homeschooling with a clear conscience. Yet if this is a matter of conscience, it must be a matter which is not so clearly defined. So guard against the sense of superiority that can come creeping in.

A third great danger is that it may breed fear of what is outside and security in what is inside. Sometimes explicitly but more commonly implicitly, children can be taught that worldliness is a force that exists outside of themselves and something they can be sheltered from. Defenses of homeschooling are absolutely filled with this viewpoint. They are taught to fear what the world can do to them and how it may corrupt them. Parents can also spend time looking outside to the world and attempting to understand how it is influencing their children. Yet the harsh reality is that there is more than enough of the world in our own hearts that we don’t need to go any further to become just as worldly as we can be. Homeschooling is absolutely no guarantee of avoiding worldliness and, in fact, may put children at greater risk for worldliness. I do not fear the public school system. When I look at my children, I fear what I see in their hearts. I fear the rebellion in my son’s heart that allows him to doubt God’s existence or to scoff at the strangeness of a person dying as another’s substitute. I fear the doubt in my daughter’s heart far more than I fear a teaching explaining the theory of evolution to her. What the world can do to my children is nothing compared to what they can do to themselves. It is ironic that Reformed Christians, those with the strongest and most biblical understanding of God’s sovereignty, are often those who most fear the consequences of placing their children in public schools. We should know that God’s sovereignty is far bigger and far stronger than our educational decisions.

A fourth danger is that it may insulate children from a world they must learn to live in. The greatest reason that my wife and I send our children to public school is that we feel this is where they can best learn how to exist as believers in an unbelieving world. It is our conviction that we could not as easily teach them this if we were to keep them at home. In the world they will see sin and will see that sin always carries with it painful and negative consequences. We hope they will learn by the example of others around them that there is great danger in sin and that the Word of God is true when it tells us how sin harms and holiness protects and preserves. We want them to learn these lessons when they are young. Every person will, sooner or later, need to learn this lesson. Visit a Christian college that has attracted a large crowd of homeschooled children and you can see what happens when children only learn this lesson later in life. It is painful to see.

A final danger I would outline is that it may turn Christians against teachers and educators. My wife and I have been thrilled with the teachers our children have had to this point. We know that some will prove better than others, but to this point we have found them to be serious, committed, and far from the Marxist idealists many seem to think they must be. This has been true of both the younger and the older teachers. They truly are committed to providing a good education to our children and work long and hard to do this. When we portray all educators as either deliberate or unwilling players in a grand conspiracy to destroy our children we negatively portray people for whom this is not true. We also negatively portray many of our brothers and sisters in Christ who work as teachers. I recently spoke to the husband of a public school teacher and he told me that he and his wife, knowing how many committed Christian teachers there are in the public schools, have no qualms about placing their children in these schools. They feel their children will be in good hands.

I am going to repeat myself. Do remember that these are potential dangers and may not be true in many or most cases. These reflect my observations and the observations of others. If you find them difficult to swallow, perhaps it provides the opportunity to reflect for a moment to see if you have fallen into any of these dangers.

The long and short is this. When researching what the Bible teaches about education and raising our children, I have not been convinced that either public schooling or homeschooling is objectively correct in all situations. And so I move forward with that assumption. If we allow that there are times that it may be right for a family to send their children to public school, we must also allow that there are times when it may be wrong for a family to homeschool. At the very least we allow that education is a decision of conscience and that parents must make what can be a long and difficult decision. If you disagree with this, please turn to Scripture and defend this viewpoint. And do realize that such an understanding will necessarily be divisive within the church. If you can prove it from Scripture it will be necessary division. If you cannot, it is unnecessary and must be avoided.

So here is my exhortation for those in either camp: we must not let education divide the church. For the sake of church unity, be careful! The church does not need to be fractured between the homeschoolers and the public schoolers. Satan is no doubt doing all he can to set one Christian against another and to make disputable matters into so much more. Homeschoolers need to love and support those who choose to send their children to public schools. When difficult times arise they must not using these times as an opportunity to say “I told you so!” Rather, they can use these difficult times to pray for their friends, to comfort them, challenge them, support them and to bear with them. The same is true of those who send their children to public schools. They must support their homeschooling brothers and sisters, bearing with them and supporting them, understanding that these people are following their conscience. In either case, parents must teach their children to love and embrace children who are educated differently lest we see children divided from one another on this basis.

The church is big enough for both those who homeschool and those who do not. We absolutely cannot afford to make this an issue of division. There are bigger battles to fight and to fight them successfully we must stand together. A little understanding, a little respect, will go a long way to fostering the unity that is so important to the church. So think through the issues, choose carefully, and prepare to love those who choose differently.

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1. Whitney Archer
May 4, 2007
10:16 AM

Thank you! I was homeschooled. This is so true. My husbands and I’s biggest complaint with most homeschoolers is that they tend to think of themselves as completely autonomous from any authority outsides themselves. We have seen many families (especially children) ruined by this thinking.

Homeschoolers don’t have it all figured out.


2. Peter Bogert
May 4, 2007
10:18 AM

Dead-smack right on the money.

We home-schooled our daughter for Senior High and for 12 years out of the 30 I’ve been in ministry I also was the administrator of a Christian School. I also know great people who teach in the public sector. The task is mandated, not the method.

Be convinced of what is right for your family, but don’t superimpose that on everyone else.


3. DavidW
May 4, 2007
10:19 AM

Tim,

You clearly and carefully articulate what is, without doubt, the responsible position on Homeschooling. Your final couple of words are so right, when you write

“The church is big enough for both those who homeschool and those who do not. We absolutely cannot afford to make this an issue of division. There are bigger battles to fight and to fight them successfully we must stand together.”

That said, if you face the same sort of heat I have for saying basically the same thing, I hope you have your asbestos undies on this morning!


4. Alex Moore
May 4, 2007
10:23 AM

I’m going to agree with you wholeheartedly, Tim… not because I do not want my post deleted, but because the public education system in America, while imperfect, is something that is near and dear to my heart.

One significant danger occurs when we Christians who are able remove our children from public schools and either home school them or send them to private Christian schools— we contribute to the decay of the public school system.

Less children means less tax dollars, which means less supplies, less funding for facilities, and less faculty (or, more underpaid faculty).

The tragedy is this: When the deterioration occurs, who is to stand up for those who are unable to remove their kids from the public schools? What happens to the underprivileged kids whose parents must both work full-time in order to pay the bills, and thus cannot homeschool or affor private schools?

There are significant benefits to home schooling and private schools— do not get me wrong— but we must proceed with caution and with careful consideration of the negative ramifications that could stem from our abandonment of the public education system.

As for the children who are left behind— they may be poor, but they also may be Christian, and that is where the real tragedy occurs: Christians who are denied equal opportunity because of other Christians.


5. Kate
May 4, 2007
10:30 AM

Thank you Alex! Some of my best Christian friends are teachers in the inner city public system of Toronto and I applaud you for commenting on the need to support this system.

Tim - I have been reading your blog for months now and this is my favorite post of yours by far. It helps me to understand that some Reformed christians can be … reasonable. I’m a little biased…


6. Phoebe
May 4, 2007
10:49 AM

Tim — Well said! I’ve been reading your postings for almost a year now and never felt compelled to comment … this is the one!

Whitney — Your comment ” most homeschoolers is that they tend to think of themselves as completely autonomous from any authority outsides themselves” is right on point. Our family is related to a Christian university president who categorically stated that while there are exceptions, on the whole the students at his university that present the greatest problems spiritually, academically, and behaviorally are the homeschoolers and students from private Christian schools.


7. Hal
May 4, 2007
10:53 AM

Love your blog and agree with you on 98% of what you write but I believe you attacked a straw man here. I am a pastor of a traditional church and homeschooling father of four and agree with every single danger you mentioned. What I dont agree with is that those dangers are unique to HS. You could rewrite your whole article and substitute Christian schooling and make the same points or you could rewrite your whole article and substitute Christian college and make the same points. If you are going to critique homeschooling particularly, I think you need to talk with more articulate spokemen and women.


8. Brendt
May 4, 2007
10:53 AM

Right on, Tim!

The wholesale dismissal of public education that Kim (and some other home-schoolers) seems to espouse inherently implies that Christians ought not to have anything to do with it.

As the husband of a public school teacher, who sees her abilities to truly minister as well as educate, I find this offensive. As a Christian, I find it repugnant.

The fourth danger (insulation) is also true of Christian schools. I went to a Christian school through high school, and for every one of my classmates who was good in school and stayed good after they graduated, I can show you three who quickly made up for 12 years of “missing out” on worldly stuff after they graduated. Again, responsibility comes back to the parents. Slather a kid with SPF-50 for 12 years, then send him naked to Venus — he’s gonna get burned.

You’re right that there are dangers to home-schooling, but these are not negatives if the dangers are avoided. My church is a mix of all 3 major kinds of education (public, Christian, and home) and I don’t know anybody there who thinks that their way is the only Scripturally-mandated way.


9. Scott Christensen
May 4, 2007
10:55 AM

We homeschool our children. Carey Hardy was my pastor for many years and had a good perspective on these issues. I agree with your points as well. However, Just as some homeschoolers broad-brush those who send their children to public school, many conversely broad-brush homeschoolers. Thus, there is a danger on the part of some of those who send their children to public school - it is the tendency to look upon those who homeschool as if they are self-righteous pharisees because they do not send their children to public school. That is an equally troublesome problem for the unity of the church.


10. Dave @ Banannery Public
May 4, 2007
11:00 AM

Yet the harsh reality is that there is more than enough of the world in our own hearts that we don’t need to go any further to become just as worldly as we can be. Homeschooling is absolutely no guarantee of avoiding worldliness and, in fact, may put children at greater risk for worldliness. I do not fear the public school system. When I look at my children, I fear what I see in their hearts.

Wow, right on the money. It’s funny where our theology runs off to when “real life” dilemmas are on the table.

I was homeschooled through 8th grade and then went to public school four years after that. I guess I fit into the stereotype of being well educated academically but not socially. Regardless, I’ve seen parents who send their kids to public school do a better job of fulfilling the Deut. 6 commandment than parents who homeschool their kids. Homeschooling can be a good thing, but it’s not without its flaws.


11. DrLiz
May 4, 2007
11:02 AM

I expect that the attitude you ascribe to many defendants of homeschooling is an over-reaction from constantly having to defend their decision to friends, family, and authorities. While homeschooling has become more acceptable and even encouraged in some settings these days, the effect of changing cultural and societal norms always has somewhat of a lag effect as it filters down.

One could argue that you show a bit of attitude yourself in defense of sending your kids to public schools! That’s normal for someone to do when such an important decision is questioned implicitly or explicitly. No doubt, one can find examples of amazing young people in all educational circumstances.

And by the way, to the commenter above, a voucher system would go a long way towards helping the poor escape public education!

Public education, depending on where you live, can be outstanding or or it can be outstandingly bad. Those who put down public education always use examples from the worst of public education. But equally problematic is that those who defend public education seem to assume that all public schools are of the quality they see in their kids’ schools. That is, because Mary and Joe have good teachers, in a good school with good resources, the same must be true in most public schools. Both are logical fallacies (as is using only outstanding homeschooled students, like Brent and Alex Harris, to defend homeschooling, or using the news story of a parent who ‘homeschools’ as a cover for physical and mental abuse of a child to condemn homeschooling).


12. Marcian
May 4, 2007
11:02 AM

I thought this was a very well-written and responsible article that tackled the true issue at hand in many arguments for home-schooling. I spent about half my k-12 education in the public school, half in home school. My mom did what she believed she needed to do when she believed the Lord was leading her to do it. I graduated a year early, and went on to earn a master’s degree in college. My overall academic ability was not stunted.

I look back and see where I was sheltered in some ways and learned some hard lessons later. But the Lord was with me. I see where I was actually more prepared, only because the Lord was with me. I think now about what I would do if I ever had children after having experienced both circumstances, and I realize that there is no right answer, just the proper response to the given situation. I am still responsible to God for the spiritual nourishment of my child. And God the Holy Ghost will stir their hearts to forsake the world and follow the Son. Am I sticking them in a public school so that I can bring in additional income, or have more time to myself, or allow my order of priorities to lean selfishly in the wrong direction for 8-10 hours of the day? I ought to check my motives and repent.

There is no silver bullet hidden within home education. I’ve made a lot of mistakes most people wouldn’t expect of a homeschooled-child-from-a-Christian-home. Neglect and spiritual starvation can still occur, believe me. The best course of action, no matter where education occurs, is to stay in the Word, stay on my knees, and cry out to God to hold my childrens’ hearts in His hand.


13. Brendt
May 4, 2007
11:04 AM

Hal, there’s no straw men in Tim’s statements. Those who espouse the ideas which Tim sees danger in do exist. They may not even be in the majority, but they are usually the most vocal.

And yes, you can substitute Christian education for home-schooling and make the same arguments about dangers. I alluded to some of that in my last comment. But home-schooling is the issue causing the most division in the church these days. And Tim is too young to remember when it was Christian vs public education that was as divisive then, as home-schooling vs whatever is now. ;-)

Had blogs existed in the 70s and 80s, we’d be hearing the same thing (or at least I’d hope there’d be someone out there like Tim).


14. Kim K
May 4, 2007
11:20 AM

Tim, A well reasoned article on a subject that is sure to touch the emotions of many. My children are in a mix of Christian and public school. However, after observing the homeschooling of a relative’s children, my mother made this comment - “they are learning that the only authority they have to obey is their mother.” I think she definitely had a point.


15. David N
May 4, 2007
11:55 AM

Tim,

I can tell from the tone of your article that this is a very sensitive issue with you and others.

My wife and I homeschool our three children and have seen enormous fruit from the decision to withdraw from public school. We do not feel the need to defend God’s leading for our family. Neither do we justify one families decision to educate at home by tearing down other settings.

Every form of education (home, public and private) have potential dangers. Christians must follow God’s leading in this area. When asked, I’ve advised some parents to consider homeschool and others (lacking the discipline or agreement with either husband or wife ) to remain in public or private school settings.

Homeshcooling is both rewarding and demanding. It is not for everyone.

The vast majority of parents I know who educate their children at home do not look upon other paths with disdain. At times we may appear that way because God has blessed our work. We sometimes lack the maturity present in a new Christian “out to save the world” who is so enthusiastic about Christ that he lacks the discernment of choosing his words carefully.

To say that God blesses my work is not being critical of others. It is simply celebrating the goodness of the Lord in blessing what He has so clearly led us to do.

Please know that I do not consider you less of a Christian and look forward to that day when we shall meet in heaven.

Your brother in Christ,

David


16. Leslie
May 4, 2007
11:57 AM

Removing children from public school to private school or to homeschool does not take any money away from the public school sector. Everyone in the US, even those who remain childless, has to pay property taxes to fund education whether they have children in public school or not.


17. Jabbok
May 4, 2007
12:05 PM

Wow, this is one of your best articles. Very well written.


18. centuri0n (F. Turk)
May 4, 2007
12:19 PM

You stinker. This one’s going to raise the roof, dude. If ever there was a sacred cow, this is it, and you have started a BBQ.

Hand me a burger, would you … ?

Seriously, however, what Challies is pointing at here is the bunker mentality — the idea that somehow we have to dig in and cover up and lie flat and that’s what the Bible tells us to do.

I have sympathy for, and am very proud of, many homeschool families who bring up their kids in a very intellectually-challenging environment — especially when one is not available in the local public school. But Challies is spot-on to point out that this is not a matter of Christian duty but of Christian liberty. Many fine Christians grew up in public schools and have engaged the culutre as a family, which seems to be a far more militant and Gospel-spreading idea than homeschooling and never meeting any lost people.

I don’t think there’s one right answer — I think that homeschooling is a viable choice, and particiating in the local public school is a viable choice, and sometimes even the local private school has something for the Christian family. It’s the view that Deu 6 somehow commands us to Homeschool — the demand that Homeschool is the best for everyone, by moral decree — that is a little randy.

Gotcher back Challies. :-)


19. centuri0n (F. Turk)
May 4, 2007
12:27 PM

BTW, I’d publish a list of 10 negatives of homeschooling, but I’d rather not be subject to the consequences of posting that list.


20. Steven Erickson
May 4, 2007
12:45 PM

Outstanding article Tim! This is an excellent example of careful Christian discernment. I can’t wait for your book next year. As you’re thinking about writing the study guide, it might be interesting to include some of these types of articles from your blog as practical examples of what you’re seeking to cultivate in your readers. Keep up the great work.


21. Jer
May 4, 2007
12:46 PM

This article doesn’t really touch me (not a parent, nor likely to be anytime soon, and the issue must not be as prevalent up in Canada), however I found it even-handed for the most part and helpful in understanding some of my past (Christian schooling often shares many of the pitfalls of homeschooling, though not all) and thus enabling me to more carefully assess what effects it still has on me today in my twenties, if any. Thanks Tim.


22. April
May 4, 2007
1:12 PM

Okay, I’ll bite. By carefully using the term “potential dangers” then giving us good broadside, you really don’t give us much ground to mount a defense, but I’ll try anyway. Are these dangers accurate? Sure, we’re a bunch of sinners, some of us saved by the wonderful grace of God. Of those of us saved by grace, some of us our convinced by scripture that home education is the best for out families. So we say so. Based on my philosophical, political and biblical beliefs, I reject government education, emphatically. They will get their mitts on my children over my cold, dead body. Not surprisingly, when I am asked why we homeschool, I tell people. I think your wrong. You think I’m wrong, not just in my beliefs but in our choice to homeschool. (You know you do, go read yourself.) And it seems as though you think it is wrong for people who choose to homeschool based on their understanding of scripture to defend that position.

So we are walking out the path we believe God has for us. Hopefully humbly and with teachable hearts. But we do it because we think it is God’s will for us. And isn’t this Christian liberty: you think I’m wrong, I think you’re wrong, but we can disagree and point each other to what we feel is the correct biblical understanding.


23. T
May 4, 2007
1:15 PM

Thanks for the interesting post, Tim! As a homeschooling father I think I would be interested in your thoughts that children being both homeschooled and sent to public school as a balance. We’re watching our children to see how susceptible they are to peer-pressure. As this subsides they are more capable of handling a public school environment. I think schooling becomes an either/or conclusion for many when it should be a both/and.

T


24. Brian
May 4, 2007
1:21 PM

Tim:

Well done. I agree with you.

Another perspective is when families like mine have children with learning disabilities. Sometimes the services available through public education are the best option for these situations.


25. janelle
May 4, 2007
1:29 PM

Thanks for the article, Tim. It is obvious you have thought this is out in a concise manner, and you also have legitimate reasons for not wanting to homeschool your kids.

All that to say…Don’t shoot me for disagreeing. I was homeschooled my entire life, yet don’t necessarily relate to any of the dangers you mentioned, which according to you, means perhaps I actually DID relate to them and didn’t know it. (not that they aren’t there, they certainly are), but your third point was the one I am most confused about.

Worldliness is bred from EXPOSURE to the world, to then influence what is already in my heart. If my exposure is limited, then there is logically less of a chance that worldliness will have a hold one me. DON’T hear what I am not saying…I am certainly worldly in lots more ways than I should be. But would I have been more worldy if I was influenced by ungodly peers? Knowing my heart, probably (though this isn’t necessarily true for everyone.) This is why I can’t see where you are getting the statement that homeschooling is often leading to more worldliness than public schools. How is this possible? Because we are ultra-sheltered (which is a stereotype to be sure), we are more worldly? We have doubts and fears in our hearts, so that is more worthy of focus than exposure to what is blatantly ungodly? The Christian home is focused on the Gospel, therefore education will be. The public education system is completely anti-God, socialist, postmodern, and therapeutic. I just don’t see how homeschooling could be more detrimental than this.

I’m in college now, and I entered college completely up to date on the common arguments against Christianity. This did not come from direct exposure to them; it came from an education that not only included the basics of scholastics, but included EXTENSIVE study of books by Piper, Grudem, Mahaney, Spurgeon, Luther, Calvin, and a host of others, and obviously Scripture. Now, I know this doesn’t mean kids in public education can’t study this as well. But the home environment deliberately put me in a place to DESIRE to read these things, not because I was told to, but because it was encouraged simply by the place I was learning in. I remember my family going through “Sin and Temptation” by Owen when I was in 5th grade. If I had been in public school, I would have been learning the complete opposite.

I sincerely respect you for the decision you are making, and think that we certainly need Christian influence in our public schools. But I also wonder what type of influence a 6,7,or 8 year old can be, and if they are going to be the ones doing the influencing, or if that will be reversed, if even in subtle ways.


26. Tim Challies
May 4, 2007
1:37 PM

“Worldliness is bred from EXPOSURE to the world, to then influence what is already in my heart. If my exposure is limited, then there is logically less of a chance that worldliness will have a hold one me.”

No, no, no! Worldliness is in your heart already. It may be enhanced by exposure to the world, but there’s enough of it to run rampant without any exposure to the world (however you want to define that). Be careful not to take a high view of your own heart!


27. MrPages
May 4, 2007
1:42 PM

The problem is that most “movements” (is homeschooling a movement?) are known best by their most extreme elements. The most vocal elements on both sides of the abortion debate are the radicals. Ditto evolution.

The homeschoolers are known by the superior, “government schools are sin”, judgmental minority among them.

The non-homeschooler folks are known by those who jump down homeschooler’s throats for ruining their children by putting them in a glass bubble. These are also a minority.

I homeschool my kids, but I consider myself to be not among that minority of vocal lobbyists. We homeschool because we feel God led us to that. We don’t necessarily think that God led you to that, or that he would tell us if he had.

On behalf of the majority (in my experience) of homeschoolers that are not this abrasive, I apologize to the nonhomeschool parents of the world. Pray about what you are supposed to do with your children, and do that. Don’t let loudmouths tell you how to parent.

Thanks for your transparency and risk in this area, Tim. You’ve taken risks not many would.


28. Tiffany Johnson
May 4, 2007
1:47 PM

Anybody heard of Dave Swavely’s (Master’s Seminary grad), book “Who Are You to Judge?” ? Get it and read it if you want to look at your heart and preserve unity. It delves into the homeschooling issue and others that typically divide us. He gives a GREAT rebuttal to the typical homeschooling arguments. It’s very scriptural and focuses on calling us to obey the often overlooked command to, “not go beyond what is written”. I’m telling you ….read it. : )


29. janelle
May 4, 2007
1:53 PM

Lol, perhaps I should have phrased it different. Reverse the order of my first sentence. “Worldliness is is already in my heart, but it breeds from EXPOSURE to the world. If my exposure is limited, then there is logically less of a chance that worldliness will have a hold one me.”


30. Joshua Keel
May 4, 2007
2:03 PM

Hey Tim,

This was a very thought-provoking post. I went to a Christian school for three years, then was homeschooled through graduation from high school. I’m now at a very conservative Christian university where “Christian education” is heavily pushed. I appreciate your viewpoints, and you definitely have a point with some of the dangers you mention. Those points are good for me to think about as I decide what my future family (if I have one) should do regarding this issue.

One thing I don’t understand, though (like Janelle) is your view on worldliness and exposure to the world. I agree with you that children early on should see the negative consequences of sin in their own lives and others. I think this is very effectively done (I hope I’m an example) by correction from parents and parental guidance to help the child formulate a Biblical worldview. I understand your point about the public school system offering a real-life view of sin, and that it helps children learn to live in a depraved world, but balancing out the negative peer pressure (for instance, pressure to engage in drunkenness, smoking, illegal drugs, sex before marriage, etc.) with the positives of seeing sin first-hand and learning its consequences, the argument that it will negatively influence children carries more weight with me.

I don’t think that I, being homeschooled, was at all sheltered from seeing the negative consequences of sin, but neither was I tempted on a daily basis to engage in the same immorality of my peers. I think I’m much better equipped to handle that temptation today, as a 21-year-old than when I was 10.

Any thoughts?


31. Darby
May 4, 2007
2:16 PM

“Kim’s argument moves into the realm of the painful when she provides unsubstantiated statements like “the system was conceived upon the tenets of Marxism and Darwinism” that it “is paid for by theft.” These statements, which again, I have heard multiple times, are unsubstantiated and painful to read. If homeschoolers continue to use such statements they need to research them, substantiate them and then decide whether they are acceptable criticisms to use as a defense of their choice of education.”

John Dewey, a key founder of modern public school, wrote, “Faith in the prayer-hearing God is an unproved and outmoded faith. There is no God and there is no soul. Hence, there are no needs for the props of traditional religion. With dogma and creed excluded, the immutable truth is also dead and buried. There is no room for fixed, natural law or moral absolutes.” (John Dewey, “soul-searching,” Teacher Magazine, September 1933, p. 33.

I understand that there are Christians mingled into the government education system. However, with that said, it is irrefutable that the modern public school system was founded on Darwinist and Marxist philosophy. I’ve given one small quote above, I’m not going to clog up the blog citing more. The quotes are out there for those who want to dig.
I also find it interesting that the issue of “worldliness” keeps coming up. Yes, everyone is a sinner and is drawn toward all manner of ungodliness. I am prone to lust. But I don’t feed it or try to combat it by sitting for hours in front of internet pornography. Our children, like us, are prone to wander from God. I don’t feed that tendency by deliberately sending them to those who can’t teach God for their education. And if you don’t think all education is indoctrination, you clearly are not grasping the two-age hermeneutic of the Bible. Consider Daniel in the Old Testament. Folks like Daniel in the Old Testament were absorbed into Babylonian culture. Did this defile Daniel. Evidently not. However, we must also keep in mind that Daniel was in exile in Babylon, a position he clearly didn’t want to be in, and a punishment from God on the nation of Israel. Our children are not in exile, and shouldn’t be sent there by parents.


32. Ann Addison
May 4, 2007
2:31 PM

I don’t have a “dog in this fight” since I don’t have children and am past child-bearing age. But, I do see divisive and defensive attitudes from parents on both sides of the issue. Why be defensive if you are confident about your decision? From a child development stand point and the strength of moving at the pace the child is capable, homeschooling has an edge. BUT, this is a multi-factorial decision and MOST parents just are not suited to homeschooling. I would like to see both sides “simmer down” a bit. : )


33. WTM
May 4, 2007
3:16 PM

Tim,

Well done!

I was homeschooled from the cradle until the time that I went to Wheaton College (IL) for my undergrad, and since then I have come to see things very differently. In fact, one of the results of my biblical and theological studies at Wheaton and my training in divinity at Princeton Theological Seminary (where I am now an entering PhD student in systematic theology) is the identification of a number of theological arguments against homeschooling. Yes, they do exist, and ought not to be dismissed.

Long and short, your identification of an ideology hidden behind much homeschooling that can tend to get in the way of the Gospel is right on, in my humble opinion.


34. Brian
May 4, 2007
3:36 PM

Janelle,

I read it that way the first time and the second time…

The key for me is the issue of being judgmental. If I think my way is better, then I am better, then your way is lesser, then you are lesser — this is just what Scripture warns against — looking down on one another.

When I hear terms like ‘repugnant’ and assertions of ‘No, No, No’, I can’t help but think there is a little over-reaching to make a point. We need to keep our responses respectful and maintain an attitude of concern for others on ‘disputable matters’; not let our emotions (on obviously sensitive topics) get the better of us.

In that respect, this article, and the responses, are a great lesson in seeking unity. Thanks Tim.


35. perry
May 4, 2007
3:42 PM

As the father of six and grandfather of nine I have great sympathy for much of what you write. Thank for writing with such clarity and charity.

But I disagree with this statement when you write:

“I believe I can best teach my children the fear and admonition of the Lord by placing them in public schools.”

To send Christian children to an anti-christian school committed to catechizing them in an anti-christian worldview is sin (1John 3:4). It is not teaching them to “fear God.” It is a violation of the first commandment and first Great commandment, both of which have educational implications. Christian children are to be trained to see all things in terms of the Lordship of Christ over all things and the Gospel, which is to say Gen 1:1 through Revelation.

If all that the government controlled, anti-christian, coercively tax funded, public schools did was ignore our Lord and treat Him as irrelevant, that would be bad enough. But the government schools have a positive agenda and hostility that has declared the triune God and biblical faith “persona non grata” in everyway: judicially, philosophically, methodologically, asthetically, ethically, and epistemologically. The worldview that begins with Genesis 1:1 is at emnity with the worldview that controls the government schools.

Christian children ought to have a Christian education that self consciously teaches them about reality NOT the death oriented “reality” of the antichristian worldview (Pro. 8:36).

If Christians would repent and love our God with “all their mind” and teach their children to do the same the goliath of antichristian government schools would certainly fall as surely as David fell Goliath.

Christian education for christian children ought to be the byword.

Grace and peace, Perry


36. Judd Rumley
May 4, 2007
3:47 PM

Thank you, Tim.

Have a great weekend. You are doing a great job parenting your children. I thank God for you and men like you who think through issues thoroughly and biblically.

Romans 14 is the key issue. May God allow all of us to memorize it, meditate on it and apply it to life.


37. Rick
May 4, 2007
4:00 PM

If the sole purpose of an educational system (whether homeschooling, public or private education or a religious based education) is to educate (ideally to learn how to learn) then I don’t think it matters where that takes place as long as the objective is being met. The problem or maybe the tension or struggle (imho) is that none of the systems mentioned above, nor the players in each of the systems, has education (in its’ pure form) as its’ sole purpose (and understandably so). So a question to ponder is what are the other purposes or agendas or desires of the players in these different forms of eduational systems (homeschoolers, public or private or religious based systems)? And then how do these purposes/agendas line up with your desires or vision for your children or family? And in which of these settings can the vision (hopefully prayerfully and scripturally birthed) that I have for my children/family, become a reality or be fulfilled? I think each of us has to wrestle with these questions (or some form of them) and then decide which direction we are going to take and be open to changing our direction if our vision changes or we see that our vision is not becoming a reality in whichever setting we find ourselves.


38. Daniel
May 4, 2007
4:20 PM

Janelle said: “Worldliness is bred from EXPOSURE to the world, to then influence what is already in my heart. If my exposure is limited, then there is logically less of a chance that worldliness will have a hold one me.”

Tim replied: No, no, no! Worldliness is in your heart already. It may be enhanced by exposure to the world, but there’s enough of it to run rampant without any exposure to the world (however you want to define that). Be careful not to take a high view of your own heart!

Dan remarks: Worldliness is not bred> from exposure to the world, it is REINFORCED by exposure to the world. That is an important distinction. Tim correctly identifies that the heart is what produces this, as opposed to receiving it from somewhere externally. Tim is right to remind us not to presume upon a high view of our own heart - it is the well from which all the stink that is in the world rises.

Notwithstanding, while the heart is certainly the first source of worldliness, it is negligent to leave it at that.

The influence of the world is by no means neutral nor is it homogenous. The house that lives for God’s glory is a haven from worldly influence, a place where worldliness (the carnal mindset) is identified and dealt with immediately and spiritually, worldliness in such a place is by no means accepted, excused, sanctioned, validated, or promoted. Unless one is -actively- dealing with worldliness spiritually, one is passively enabling and reinforcing it.

The carnal heart is wicked through and through, it doesn’t need the world to =be= that - kids come out of the box that way. But this truth in no way endorses the idea that the world is going to have the same influence on a kid no matter what environment they spend the majority of their waking hours in.

Homeschoolers cannot avoid wordliness, but they have a (one time) unparalleled opportunity (though some abuse it) to minimize the reinforcement. HS parents cannot hold the world perfectly at arms length, but in many homeschool classrooms the carnal reinforcement that goes unchekced in the public and private school systems is being actively battled - and primarily for -one- reason - to strengthen the child (or children) spiritually before delivering them “wholely” into the world system.

When the new guy comes to his new job, his employer informs him that lunch hour is 45 minutes long - no more. But when he gets there he goes out with some people for lunch and they stay out for an hour. When the fellow tries to leave, they don’t praise him for his honesty, they harangue him for being the bosses pet. The peer pressure him into keeping the status quo.

Whenever a homeschooler says - “I homeschool because…” there is always someone there who sees this as upsetting the status quo that they themselves have accepted - and the end result is either to brow beat them into towing the status quo, or to justify the status quo as being superior.

The same works both ways of course, the one whos says “I don’t homeschool because…” puts themselves out there to be brow beat into conformity.

Which is to say, that it ain’t right on either side of the fence, and in saying this I hope to qualify my previous remarks regarding the reinforcing of worldliness as coming from that perspective that recognizes the biggest danger of all, on both sides of the fence, is to defend our own conformity by attacking the other position.


39. Cathy
May 4, 2007
4:43 PM

I’ve been a public-school educator for over 30 years now. As a Christian, I love my job and am thankful to God for it because I have daily opportunities to impact the next generation for Christ, in both large and small ways. But I am an adult! Public schools are NOT a place where young, formative hearts can withstand the extreme and pervasive peer and adult pressure. The public-school system at large is based on principles which unashamedly disdain biblical Christianity. There IS an agenda in the public schools! The debauched youth culture of western materialism and secularism is given free reign while biblical attitudes and values are mocked and even punished. I cannot state to all parents too strongly: if it is at all possible for you, DO NOT place your children in public schools!! Their spiritual formation is YOUR direct responsibility above all other considerations.


40. Tim Challies
May 4, 2007
4:45 PM

“I cannot state to all parents too strongly: if it is at all possible for you, DO NOT place your children in public schools!! Their spiritual formation is YOUR direct responsibility above all other considerations.”

This begs the question: if the schools are that bad and there is such an agenda, can you, as a Christian, continue to teach there and to be a part of it?


41. Lois
May 4, 2007
4:53 PM

Tim, We are a homeschooling family and I agree with most of what you’ve written. Many people (both homeschoolers and non-homeschoolers) confuse the difference between form and function. Extreme homeschoolers may insist that homeschooling is the only way (i.e. form) to be faithful to the command to raise our children in the Lord. I think you’re absolutely right that the function in view (education, nurture, training, etc) — can be accomplished without necessarily homeschooling, but in your case, committed Christian parenting while still having children in the public schools.

Point #4 assumes incorrectly, I think, that “insulating children from the world” is necessarily a bad thing. Of course, if our children never see the light of day until they go to college, something is amiss, but I think most homeschooling families don’t think that’s appropriate. To some degree, we should “insulate” children from worldly influences, especially when they are young. “Learning to live in the world” is not accomplished by simply dropping them in there, any more than swimming is learned from being tossed into the water. The job of a parent is to shelter/protect our children as much as possible while they’re still young, all the while providing building blocks for being effective ambassadors for Christ, not merely survival skills for an ungodly world. I addressed this in my blog a while back: http://dinghome.net/2006/06/23/lets-give-our-children-eden/

Thank you for this post. It’s very brave of you to address such issue.

Lois


42. Kim in On
May 4, 2007
4:57 PM

Yes, this was a very well-reasoned piece. Yes, there are dangers in homeschooling. Yes, homeschooling can be divisive in the church, and yes, ultimately it is a personal choice. I made many of those arguments at quite a few points in my life. I made those arguments about eighteen months ago.

I wish I could give you a gift. I wish I could allow you the opportunity to go through with your children, what I have been going through with mine. You are a smart man; much smarter than I am, I am sure. I probably don’t even register in the same academic or intellectual or spiritual measureing device as you. However, I’ve been parenting for eighteen years. I have had kids in public school, I have homeschooled, and now I have two who are in public high school. This is the only area where I may have a little bit more insight. We have discovered that highschool in the post-Christian era is indeedd something for which we as parents were not prepared.

My daughter went back to public school last year. The pain that we have gone through as we have watched our daughter be inundated with postmodern education every day in the last year and a half can’t be described. It has changed her, and it has caused trouble in our home. Perhaps you’re thinking that the trouble is a symptom of bad parenting or a lack of training. It isn’t. We are confident that we have been diligent parents, and that we have provided her with solid spiritual training. Yes, I know she will have to face the world eventually, but I certainly don’t need to cause that to happen before it’s necessary. As for my 9th grade son in public school, well, he’s beginning his journey. There was a noticeable change within a very short time.

Maybe you and your wife are just better parents than we are, and you can enjoy more confidence about public education. My experience has simply rendered my previous confidence null and void. Maybe the schools are better in your area. I wish, with all my heart, that I had never put my daughter and son into public school. I have a third child whom I am still homeschooling. Whether or not he goes to public school has not been determined yet; I doubt it.

I will admit that I will continue to homeschool my last child as long as I can because I am lazy. I just don’t have the energy to go through with this last child what I have gone through in the last few months. Parenting is hard enough. It didn’t use to be this hard. I used to be very skeptical when parents told me that parenting took on totally new dimensions once the teenage years came. I live in regret for my skepticism. It is different. I believe that all teenagers will push the boundaries and some may even openly rebel, even within the confines of a homeschool. However, the venue of public school provides a myriad of things that we can’t even anticipate. And I’m not talking about drugs and drinking, etc. I’m talking about the insidiousness of postmodern secularism, “tolerance” and the lack of belief in objective truth. We prepared our children well, and our children are smart. However, we still battle, and many, many days, I have wept because I feel like we’re losing. Had my daughter stayed at home, I believe we would have had issues, but not the ones we have. If anyone does plan on putting their kids in public highschool, it is my advice that they provide education on worldviews and that there be regular, rigorous, concerted bible study and guidance to keep them focused. I am just glad I am a stay at home mother, because if I wasn’t, I wouldn’t know half of what is going on in their school.

I don’t condemn anyone for their educational choice. I have learned the folly of saying “never” and I have learned the folly of assuming that I have the amount of control I thought I had.


43. Kim K
May 4, 2007
5:03 PM

It seems like the term “homeschooling” is a little misleading. For some time now I’ve thought they should replace it with “alternative schooling.” The homeschoolers I know teach some of the subject matter at home, but they also want their kids to take x subject at the local Christian school, study y subject in a course at the community college, learn z subject from a video series, etc. It’s like school ala carte - pick and choose among many options in order to get just what I want.

I completely respect parents’ right to choose to homeschool their children. But it seems several have the “my way or the highway” mentality.


44. Renee
May 4, 2007
5:05 PM

Leslie: In our local public schools funding is based on attendance. Yes, we all pay property tax that goes to a general fund, but each school’s allotment is based on their individual attendance. x amount of $ per student times the number of average students attending.

I love this whole discussion, though. It’s making everyone think hard about how and what we judge.

Renee


45. Jake
May 4, 2007
5:08 PM

Wow you guys are hilarious. You are all disagreeing w/ Janelle…by agreeing w/ her. Interesting.

“Worldliness is bred from exposure to world, which influences what is already in my heart.”

“No, no, no. Wordliness is already in your heart. It may be enhanced by exposure to the world.”

Thanks man. That’s what she just said. The actual post, by the way, was very good.


46. rick
May 4, 2007
5:18 PM

A question for pondering: is the public school environment or culture a place that I would be eager to or want to send my child (for 8 hours a day - 5 days a week) if it were not for the fact that they are supposedly being educated? If not, why not? If so, why so? If your child is making friends with a neighbor who is obviously and overtly undermining and displaying everything that opposes your faith and principles, do you do anything about it? Why or why not? Do you or should you prevent your child from being friends with or hanging around that child’s home? Why or why not?


47. Terry Stauffer
May 4, 2007
6:02 PM

Tim,

I’m anxiously awaiting a post from you on the pitfalls of public education. I was hoping for one after your last homeschool post, but I’m still waiting.


48. Ken Fields
May 4, 2007
6:54 PM

Tim,

I appreciate your thoughtful post, and although we homeschool, I found myself agreeing with much of what you said.

I’ve posted a response to your article HERE.

And thanks for your willingness to deal with these fallacious homeschooling arguments in such a gracious manner!

Grace and Peace,

Ken Fields


49. Shauna
May 4, 2007
7:14 PM

I’m a first-year homeschooler and appreciate this balanced perspective.


50. Levi
May 4, 2007
8:17 PM

Hi Tim,

I agree with a lot of what you said but I do think that the person that a child spends the most time with is the one who will eventually hold the most influence over that child. If you allow an undescerning child to have unfiltered input all day, it may have negative consequences.

Not to mention the school environment can be extremely cruel and hard to actually learn in. Spiritual issues aside, I think the acedemic ratings of homeshooled VS public-schooled speak for themselves. There’s just too many distractions trying to learn among a pool of peers.

Just my humble opinion, completely sans scriptural authority.


51. wfseube
May 4, 2007
8:19 PM

Whew! What a relief. I was just thinking “hmmm, Challies hasn’t written anything controversial lately - when are things gonna heat up at his place?” I thought you were losing your edge. Now I can sleep at night…

bill


52. Katie
May 4, 2007
8:28 PM

I think many of you must have missed the part of Tim’s article where he explains how every family must prayerfully consider this for THEIR children, local school system, city, etc… I’ve seen many comments the sound a little like this: “MY situation in the public school was horrendous, so everyone else’s must be…” or “MY public school situation was so great, so everyone else’s must be, too…” I could go on and on. Please stop generalizing and stop getting so defensive. It’s not like Tim is just making all this stuff up—he really has had a lot of bad experiences with judgemental homeschooling families, or he wouldn’t have written the article. He even said that this won’t apply to every homeschooling family. If you feel like this applies to you, read it and take what you feel led to take—learn from it and go in peace and grace. If you feel like this article does not apply to you, then it will help you in encouraging your legalistic friends, if you have any, to be a little more gracious in their thoughts and actions towards those who do not share their ideas. We all have to guard against the sin of pride concerning this issue. All of us have an opinion, I’m sure, and we just have to learn to read stuff like this with the idea that it’s not our job to decide what is right and wrong for everyone else’s family—-we have enough to deal with within our own families, for goodness sake! Let’s show others the same measure of grace that we want God to show us.


53. Katie
May 4, 2007
8:34 PM

“…in encouraging your legalistic friends, if you have any..”

For the record, I meant “if you have any [legalistic friends]…” If you read this to mean that I assume you have no friends, I apologize for the poor choice of words there.


54. Emily
May 4, 2007
9:18 PM

Right upfront, I will state that I consider myself a missionary to the public school system. I went to public school for K-12 and to a public university. Not only that, I am excited to be in my first year teaching high school English at a public school!

Kim in On said:

“However, the venue of public school provides a myriad of things that we can’t even anticipate. And I’m not talking about drugs and drinking, etc. I’m talking about the insidiousness of postmodern secularism, “tolerance” and the lack of belief in objective truth.”

I remember coming home from school and talking for many hours with my parents about how we know there is such a thing as objective truth and why God and the Bible has the authority to call sin, sin—or in other words, be “intolerant.” I praise God for giving me this opportunity to really think through these issues while I was in high school because it strengthened my faith. In addition, I can’t say how many conversations I had with classmates about the nature of truth or why my faith in God affects my worldview. Which brings me to my next point…

I was the only Christian in my class at a small public high school. Where were the other Christians my age? In the local Christian school or being homeschooled. I don’t think public schooling is the only way. However, as a student I was sad that no one from my church was friends with my public school friends. I was the only one inviting these people to our high school church group. I feel frustrated even today at the willingness of Christians to simply abandon the public school system…doesn’t anyone else see the huge mission field that we have in our own backyards? We are so willing to talk about Asia and Africa but many Christians don’t even rightly steward the opportunities given to them to reach out to others in their own communities.

When I was in junior high, I heard an Audio Adrenaline song (“AKA Public School”) that puts into words what became my missional philosophy about public schools:

“They pay to put you in the classes it’s your chance to reach the masses… This ain’t no trip to a foreign land But you can take a stand—in your public school”

I pray that many Christian families will reach out to the lost all around them.


55. Hooser
May 4, 2007
9:59 PM

Emily,

I understand your concern, but many times what we are talking about here is not just negative peer influence or heck, even positive peer influence. The problem more often is the fact that many teachers are already secularist missionaries and you are sending your children to them unprepared. You wouldn’t send your pre-teen into the mission field in Africa, so why would you send them to the philosophical equivalent? Christian teachers are in a tough position in the public school classroom, but at least they are on equal footing with other teachers and can strive to be more even handed where most (often liberal) teachers would not be.

Tim,

I agree with much of what you say, but one thing you didn’t seem to touch on is the issue of stewardship. Christ said, ‘Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and render to God the things that are God’s. Are your children Caesar’s or Gods? I definitely sympathize with much of what you say, and I would even agree that we shouldn’t be reactionary in removing children from public schools. I do think however, that as a parent, if you are going to let your children be prosyletized by secularists for eight hours a day (in most cases, not all), you’d better be willing to supplement their education heavily with parent-child discussions, personal education, etc. Unless your child is well prepared to filter the good from the bad in a public school (or even private), you shouldn’t be surprised when they start buying into much of the secularist dogma out there and (like I have seen too many times) go apostate in college. The only Christian kids who I have seen maintain their witness are those who had parents agressively discussing with them, interacting with them, and who remained very involved in their childrens lives throughout their public schooling. In many cases, this would be much more work than placing your kid in a Christian school or homeschooling them. It’s like receiving little bits of venom, so you can build up an immunity. You are definitely protected against it but you could always just carry the antivenom with you and forgo all the painful steps of building that immunity.


56. afrikaner
May 4, 2007
10:02 PM

Oh Tim you really know how to set the counter of replies humming when you introduce such a hot button topic……

O that we had as much zeal for the cause of the gospel of the risen Christ in western nations as we do for ‘correctness’ (theological, social, moral, economical, political.. or whatever) for our children’s education. The devil must be making some hay while the sun shines as Christian’s beat each other over the head on this issue.

And we were led to believe that tim was having a ‘bad week’ in getting his thoughts organised…….


57. Brian @ voiceofthesheep
May 4, 2007
10:29 PM

Tim,

I had a long post ready to enter, but decided to delete it and make this short.

The times you have addressed this issue, you seem to do more ANTI-homeschooling than PRO-public schooling. Addressing comments from the likes of Kim C - who I do not think represent the majority of those who choose to homeschool - is counter-productive to uniting people on this issue.

I fear articles such as this one - and the other one you wrote titled “Why I Do NOT Homeschool” - are a catalyst for just as much division as those from people like Kim C.

I love your blogging, brother…but I get the sense that you have a general distaste for all things homeschool.

Can’t we all just get along!!! ;)


58. yikesmom
May 4, 2007
10:45 PM

Great article, there are quite obviously extremes in every situation, as a homeschooling mom of four I think I may have met them all. I have seen homeschoolers take scripture out of context to prove that they are correct, I have seen public schoolers take scripture out of context to prove they are correct, very sad for “the Church”. I have met fanatical homeschoolers who call the public schools “government schools”, have all but separated from their neighbors and community just to have their families fall apart. Sadly, when we think that what we are doing is the only correct way we expect God to bless it abundantly, as if to reward us for our “obedience”.

Homeschooling works, as does the public school system and the christian school setting, if parents stay involved, and don’t just expect someone else to do their job. I think that not finding our identity in our schooling decisions but in bringing Glory to God and Enjoying Him forever, which is the Chief End of Man afterall.


59. Kim
May 5, 2007
12:00 AM

I agree and disagree with this post. : )

I agree that, as parents, we should not think our way is best…nor should we judge others who may have different ways of educating their children than our own. Homeschooling may not be for everybody…that is fine. Each family needs to seek wisdom from the Lord on what is best. I do not think it should be divisive in a church. It becomes divisive when others become haughty or prideful—thinking their way (whatever it is) is best. It can go either way. Some people may be prideful in thinking a christian school is the best…some may look down on homeschool families and think public school is the best…that kind of thinking is all wrong.

We homeschool. Our 2 oldest were in the public schools for a while and it was fine—great schools,wonderful teachers…great experience for us. But, our hearts were not okay with it. We contemplated homeschooling every year and finally made the proper steps to do it. Our children’s hearts were at stake. I do believe strongly in protecting our children. I want to be with them so that I can mold their thinking to desire God above all….and it does take time. So for us, we knew that homeschool was the best way for us to do that. I did not have time before…that is the honest truth…we just simply did not have time to do it in a way that was best for us. Time was the biggest reason for us to homeschool….we wanted more time with our children plain and simple to teach them to walk in His ways and seek the Lord with all their hearts.

I think it is a lie to believe that for a child to survive in this world, they need to be exposed to sin and wrongful views of God. Like some of the others have posted…a young child is very susceptible to faulty thinking…we just want to use the time we have now, to train and equip them so that later they will be able to withstand sin in the world and live holy lives.

Can parents do this while their children are in public schools? YES! We just believe that homechooling has given us the time we needed to do it the best way we know how. Again,it is a very personal decision …I can only speak to what we have done and why…

I posted on this recently…not homeschooling, but protecting our children and why that is important.

Here:lifesong-kim.blogspot.com/2007/05/protecting-our-children.html

Kim


60. Kim
May 5, 2007
12:03 AM


61. PB
May 5, 2007
12:31 AM

April:

They will get their mitts on my children over my cold, dead body. Not surprisingly, when I am asked why we homeschool, I tell people. I think your wrong. You think I’m wrong, not just in my beliefs but in our choice to homeschool. (You know you do, go read yourself.) And it seems as though you think it is wrong for people who choose to homeschool based on their understanding of scripture to defend that position.

The attitude, grammar, punctuation, and sentence structure reflected in this paragraph is why I will never homeschool my children. Thanks for making Tim’s point.


62. Cathy
May 5, 2007
12:32 AM

The question has been posed: if the schools are so bad and there is an agenda, how can I as a Christian continue to teach there and be a part of it? That’s a thoughtful question, which I have considered for years. There will most likely come a day in the future when I can no longer work for a school district. Many Christian educators have already faced that moment and have quietly left the field. The demands for us to join the flow and be swept away by the powerful godless forces of public education are becoming more and more difficult for us to resist. Please pray for Christian public school educators! BUT we are adults, and as adults are called to invade the deepest darkness with the light of the gospel. We fear no man nor any situation. We as adult Christians are entrusted with a Great Commission! Children, on the other hand, are not entrusted with adult spiritual responsibilities. We wouldn’t think of having children pastor our churches, counsel our troubled congregants, make marriage commitments, become parents, etc. They aren’t yet mentally or spiritually developed. In the same way, we shouldn’t shoulder children with the responsibility of being missionaries to the most anti-God, powerful institution in society today. Adults are to be Daniels; children need time to grow spiritually and protection from daily and day-long godless indoctrination and pressure. Further, adults in the system have options. Children in the system have few options but to do as the teachers direct. Once again, it is my strong opinion as a veteran educator in the public school system that parents should not gamble with their children’s spiritual formation by putting them in today’s public school system!


63. Emily
May 5, 2007
2:09 AM

Hooser said:

“you are sending your children to [secularist teachers] unprepared. You wouldn’t send your pre-teen into the mission field in Africa, so why would you send them to the philosophical equivalent?…you shouldn’t be surprised when they start buying into much of the secularist dogma out there and (like I have seen too many times) go apostate in college.”

1) I am not sending any children anywhere, as I am not a parent. ;) But I disagree that that I would be sending them unprepared. When I have a family, I want to be intentional in talking to my children about what they are hearing in class and teach them to filter good from bad by searching the Scriptures and talking to me about what they hear. We are encouraged (by example) to make sure our teaching at church matches what the Bible says (Acts 17:11). Should it be any different for what we hear at work or school, whether Christian or public? Christians need to be constantly filtering what they hear through God’s Word. I object to the notion that sending kids to Christian schools/homeschooling should be a way to “forgo all the painful steps of building that immunity.” I should hope that all parents, whatever the schooling choice, teach their children discernment.

2) If I were to go on missions to Africa, you could bet that I would take my children with me and encourage them to make friends with the indigenous children. What an opportunity for the gospel to be shared! I am unaware that the Great Commission only applies to people over 18.

3) It is God’s sovereign grace and mercy that keeps us all from “going apostate”—in college or elsewhere—and I would not use the school system as a scapegoat for an individual’s refusal to submit himself to God.

I am not against homeschooling; I think each family should pray about it and do as the Lord leads. I just am sad when public schooling is rejected out of hand without due consideration.

Grace and Peace, Emily :)


64. Martin James
May 5, 2007
6:42 AM

We have three children 16, 14 and 12. All three of them have experienced Homeschooling and mass education (Christian and Public) over the years.

All three forms of education have their pitfalls. HOWEVER, I have walked away with this fact: The early years are foundational for the children and ought (in most cases) to be properly Homeschooled. In the first 10 years of life a child ought to learn to love the basics of three things: reading, writing and arithmetic. The chances of a child doing this in mass education is less, than if properly Homeschooled. I’m not saying a child can’t learn to love these things in mass education, it just seems like most don’t.


65. Peggy
May 5, 2007
9:21 AM

Let me tell you all about a wonderful reality. Our family (which homeschools) goes to a large church where there are many children….approximately 50% public schooled, 25 % Christian schooled, and 25% home schooled. And they are all close friends! There is no division, no thought among them about “who is who.” You will see many little groups visiting before and after church and the circle contains students of all three educational venues. There is a love for Christ among them all and it truly shows. I think they would all be surprised to read an article such as this as well as the posts, because the divisiveness that is described is non-existent.

In addition, the parents in the church are not divided by educational choices. Public school moms have lunch with their friends who home school. Small Bible study groups contain families of all three schooling types. Again, there is little thought about who is doing what.

Why is this? I can only give the glory to God. Our pastor (who public schooled his children…but our assistant pastor homeschools) is constantly reminding us in his sermons to be overwhelmingly grateful for what God has done for us and that we have done nothing to earn this amazing grace. There is therefore a sense of humility and thankfulness to Christ Jesus among the congregation that runs over into relationships.

Humility and obedience is the key. God will lead you to raise and school your children the way He desires. That path may not be the same for everyone. Respect the decisions of your fellow believers and follow God’s leading with all your heart.


66. Kevin Sorensen
May 5, 2007
9:57 AM

Tim,

Thanks for the post. I truly appreciate it. As a pastor of a small church that is attended by several homeschool families, I appreciate the call to unity. I have been blessed with families that do not make their choice of homeschooling a divisive issue.

I would add to your list, perhaps it’s not a potential danger, but it could lead to that: most (I use this word because it is generally truly, but not specifically true for all) homeschool families that I have ever met have a very strong tendency to distrust institutions, even that of the church. While it may not necessarily be a distrust of their particular church, their commitment is almost always to their family first, perhaps their church somewhere around 4th or 5th, if even that. Don’t get me wrong; they will tell you they love the fellowship and times of deep conversations with others. However, when it comes to a deeper commitment to service, leadership, involvement within the church, the basics are there: worship, bible study; but much else beyond that will be lacking.

I have a couple of exceptions in the families in my congregation. But for the most part, I see this to be true. Perhaps another post for you in the future, eh?

Thanks, and blessings upon you and all your endeavors.

Kevin


67. April
May 5, 2007
10:36 AM

JB, you’re right. That was strident and a little sloppy. I apologize. Chalk it up to feeding the baby while nursing and serious lack of sleep because of said (very cute) baby. I am a wee-bit libertarian, which influences my opinions on schooling. That part has nothing to do with my faith. Although I would hope that my faith and study of scripture would guide my politics.

My point is this: I get the distinct impression that Tim doesn’t just see the (very real) dangers homeschool families must avoid. I get the impression (and I may be making wrong inferences) that Tim thinks it is wrong to homeschool. Not life and death, die on this hill wrong, but wrong nonetheless. And if that is the case, I wish he’d just say so, although I understand why he wouldn’t want to open himself to that kind of attack. So I was trying to be witty and smart and it didn’t come off. Sorry about that.


68. David
May 5, 2007
10:47 AM

An interesting fact is that Marx was homeschooled till age 13……..

just what does that say about homeschooling?


69. Matt B.
May 5, 2007
10:51 AM

Some food for thought,

Data from the Southern Baptist Convention indicates that we are currently losing 70-88% of our youth after their freshman year in college. In a report to the Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, T.C. Pinkney observed that 70% of teenagers involved in church youth groups stop attending church within two years of their high school graduation. The Southern Baptist Council on Family Life**reported an even more staggering statistic — that 88% of the children in evangelical homes leave church at the age of 18. There are other studies showing a similar trend across all of evangelicalism.

However, 94% of homeschooled young people stay in the faith of their parents through and beyond college. Dr. Brian D. Ray, Ph.D. (NHERI)

Also, no one has mentioned Luke 6:40, “A pupil is not above his teacher; but everyone, after he has been fully trained, will be like his teacher.”


70. carmen
May 5, 2007
11:09 AM

As a Christian student heading to “teacher’s college” next year, this discussion has been invaluable to the development of my own pedagogy and philosophy of education. There is a lot to digest here and many perspectives to consider. Your last paragraph addresses the crux of the matter: we cannot afford to make this an issue of division. Thank you for initiating this forum by laying out the issue both coherently and humbly.


71. PB
May 5, 2007
11:59 AM

April: Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification. We have our first on the way in mid-August, so I’m sure I’ll experience sleep-deprived thought in abundance come August and September as well!


72. Tracy
May 5, 2007
12:28 PM

Good comments, Matt B.


73. David M Zuniga
May 5, 2007
12:56 PM

I doubt that “dishonest Christian” is an oxymoron; I find numerous instances in Scripture of godly people who were quite mendacious on occasion.

You posit that a secular civil-government-run system of collective training centers is biblical. Although you come full-circle towards the end of your monologue with an irenic sop, your main thesis is either palpably naive, or demonstrably disingenouous.

By the grace of God, this is a free country; I don’t begrudge you the freedom to raise your children as witless wards of the state from cradle to grave. I do not even begrudge you the freedom to claim that you’re obeying God in doing so. There are bald-faced liars on every medium and street-corner in America today; I don’t say they should be locked up.

Hooted off the stage, perhaps. For every aspect of your claim is preposterous, except the peacemaking attempt after you ripped open the sutures.

I think few will debate the fact that millions of Americans who claim the label ‘Christian’ are yet demonstrably stuck on stupid. It’s not illegal, nor is it a sin, to be ignorant. But to be stupid – willfully ignorant in the face of evidence that can dispel the ignorance, at a cost – is, I believe, a sin.

Having said that, you are as free to sin as I am. Knock yourself out, and enjoy the (apparent) acclaim of your boat-mates in delusion here. Misery loves company.

I realise, of course, this itself sounds like a proud, sinful attack, does it not? Cruel and uncharitable! But I do not intend my challenge in that way at all. I want to lay your untruths out before you – and the whole “schools are best” self-deception – so that a few casual readers may weigh new alternatives in light of Scripture alone, regardless of the popular culture.

Mark you well: I am not trying to dissuade, or argue with, anyone posting here. You believe in what you are doing, stay the course.

In academic terms, the record is easily enough researched. The worst government schools are the equivalent of prisons and insane asylums, exhibiting every imaginable social malady and crime. Even the worst home-school* setting does far less social damage than these cesspools of government “education”.

*An aside: “home school” is an oxymoron. A school is an age-segregated, regimented collective educational venture. A home is (at least in biblical categories) the place where humans are born, live, and die. Never the twain shall meet. The parent who is truly aware of the stakes in the culture war – including semantic weaponry – knows better than to use the word ‘school’ for anything he does, ever again. When asked, “if I can’t call it home-schooling, what can I call it, then? Call it life in Christ; that’s what it’s supposed to be. Would you say that the 75-year old sitting in his study is “busy in school?” You see that much of this sniffy spat is about labels. Government school graduates learn to think in terms of labels. If you are in Christ, lose the labels. You don’t need them.

OK, back to the “what is the best education” argument.

The very best government schools are demonstrably inferior to privately-run secular schools. At the next level up the scale, the best secular private schools are demonstrably inferior to the best Christian schools (factoring in ethical and spiritual character alongside academics).

And at the top of the educational food chain – as the crowned heads and independently wealthy of any age will attest – is private tutoring. It is not “school” at all, for schools are a collective attempt at the same thing: training the mind in excellent things. The larger the group of auditors, the less meaningful interaction between teacher and auditor or student. As any Oxbridge scholar will attest, a handful of students may be a great deal better than one-on-one interaction in some contexts. But clearly not in all.

As Christians we understand that intellect is not the sine qua non of ‘education’, of training up children. Nowhere in Scripture can one find a command, or even a suggestion to “school” one’s children. Parents are directed to train them up in the Lord, and for a Christian to maintain that this means sending them to the modern cesspool (academically and culturally) of the government school is ludicrous as well as sheer mendacity of the first water.

Even were they academically excellent (I concede that one out of a hundred government schools are indeed so, in relative terms), academics alone are insufficient for a Christian parent. Ancient Greece and Rome – and Nazi Germany – produced intellect and inhumanity on a mind-boggling scale. Intellect alone will never do.

The norms and nobility that flow from the gospel of Christ – those are our desiderata.

From the vantage of Deuteronomy 6 (all of Scripture, really) – the most honest statement one can make about biblical ‘education’ is that parents are to train up their own children in the nurture of the Lord.

The Hebrew-classical model stands in stark antithesis to the Greco-Roman classical model of “education”. In the biblical model, the family and extended family are the community of learning. Learning never ends, until the grave; all of life is occasion for learning and the boundaries are wide indeed. Little room for the specialist. In this biblical Hebrew-classical education, there exists no such collective artifice called school , preceded by and followed by real life. All of life is learning, and all of learning is for the glory of God.

In the latter (patently, demonstrably unbiblical) classical Greek-Roman model of ‘education’, the State trains up serfs, artisans, specialists, and trainers of future serfs. In this collective ‘citizen factory’, children are wards of the State, even as their parents are. In political economy, the system is called socialism. It was the system of classical antiquity. Of course until just prior to WWII when the corrupt Congress foisted its IRS check-skimming scam on witless “taxpayers”, it was never the predominant child-rearing system in America.

Thank God, this is a free country, and not all Americans are stuck on stupid (to use a favorite modern government school epithet). For instance, I have studied the federal tax code for years, and eight years ago, joined the estimated 67 million other American non-filers. I am a law-abiding Naontaxpayer, and for years I have not lived the manifold horrors I hear taxpayers wail about every “tax season”. It seems unconscionable to me that a person can allow domestic terrorists to skim every one of his paychecks for 30% or more of his family’s substance…and never buy a copy of the Tax Code, to see if what the IRS al-Qaeda is saying about “pay your taxes” is really true!

How can 130 million Americans be so stuck on stupid? Government schools, that’s how.

And this is just one of the more egregious products of inferior, government-run “education”. You do not know right from wrong, good from evil, or legal from illegal.
The same may be said for most of the aberrant, unbiblical pap and drivel that calls itself “Christian worship” today. The same may be said for the modern American Christian’s love of credit card debt, mortgages (paying thrice for the same home), and much more.

Stuck on stupid. State-run education, lived out. In Christ!

My dear brother, you are welcome to preach to the moon that you’re doi