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Monday December 11, 2006

Guilt For Particular Sins

Yesterday at church we met up with some friends who, having just moved to a new community, are looking for a new church family. They have visited at least a half dozen churches in the area seeking one that honors God and, preferably, is close to home. Their search led them to Grace Fellowship Church where my family attends. As my wife and I drove home, and later as we drove to the home of a friend of Aileen’s family, we reflected on churches she and I have visited or attended and the most fundamental problem many of these churches displayed.

As we thought about these things, I was brought back to something I learned about Jonathan Edwards through Marsden’s great biography of the man (click for my review). As anyone knows who has studied the life of Edwards, he dedicated a large portion of his ministry to thinking, writing and teaching about the freedom of the will and eventually published a book by that name. In writing the book he thought back to the days when revival had swept his church, his community and even the wider area. And as he reflected on the individuals who had been swept up in the revival, or those who had made professions of faith in the years following, he realized a fundamental flaw in these professions. “Self-controlled individuals, as he had observed in his parishes for the past fifteen years, would acknowledge guilt for particular sins, but not guilt for their fundamentally rebellious hearts.”

Many of the churches my wife and I visited when we first moved to Oakville, and many of the churches we have attended for longer periods of time, were filled with people who were guilty of this same problem. We know of countless people who admit to sin in their lives and feel guilt and remorse for individual sins, but who seem unable or unwilling to admit the incontrovertible fact that their hearts are in rebellion against God. The Bible tells us in plain terms that we are not sinners because we sin, but we sin because we are sinners. We do not need to seek forgiveness merely for the sins we commit, but for our fundamentally evil and rebellious hearts—hearts that, in their natural state, hate God and are fully and completely opposed to Him.

Marsden goes on to summarize Edwards’ assessment of this problem. “Guided by conscience, they saw particular sins as failures of will power, which might be overcome by exercising greater self-control.” When sin has been defined only as individual acts, it is possible for humans, even devoid of God’s help, to overcome those evil acts and deeds. A man who explodes in anger or a woman who grumbles against her husband can overcome those sins in their own power. Unbelievers can throw off addiction and poor behavior through an act of the will. But they can never address the heart of the issue. While they may make cosmetic changes, they can never overcome the deeper issues for they can never change their hearts.

Those who profess Christ can do this too. Christians are perfectly capable of overcoming the appearance of sin and the outward manifestations of sin in their own power. They can dedicate great effort and go to great pains to remove traces of sin from their lives. But all the time they may have done this without the aid and assistance of the Holy Spirit. They may never have owned up to their fundamental sinfulness, their natural enmity towards God. They may never feel or acknowledge guilt not only for what they do but for who they are.

Statistics show that many Christians, and most likely the vast majority of Christians, have a worldview that is functionally secular. Many people who go to church every Sunday, who read Christian books and who read their Bibles and pray every day, still think like unbelievers. Their worldview—their way of seeing and understanding the world—is no different from before they claimed to be Christians. As interesting as statistics may be, common sense and good reason show the problem to be severe. Jonathan Edwards, looking to the refusal of the people of his day to own up to their guilt, realized that “the liberal Christianity of the new republic would be built around such moral principles.” Modern day evangelicalism is likewise founded on such moral principles.

A couple of years ago I spoke to the administrator of a church in the area. This person had been a Christian for several years and was active as a leader in the church. Discussing a crime that had happened recently, this person told me, “I just don’t understand how anyone could do that. I don’t understand how anyone could be that bad. I could never be that evil!” As we spoke, I realized that this was a person who knew that he committed sins, and yet one who clearly did not understand his inherently sinful nature. He knew he sinned but refused to believe he was a sinner. Sin is what he did, not what he was. Yesterday my wife and I thought of a couple we know who seemed to become believers, but whose lives did not seem to change at all. They were quickly drafted into service in their church and were soon actively involved in leadership and service. They became members. And yet their lives, including one very obviously and blatantly sinful aspect of their lives, did not change at all. Neither did the church seem to require or expect them to change. They modified aspects of their lives, I suppose, but that fundamental change of heart just never seemed to happen. As of the last time we saw them, they still did not seem to think, act, talk and, in many ways, live like Christians. They knew they sinned but didn’t seem to know that they were and still are sinners.

Here is how Marsden concludes this short section.

Even the most popular evangelicalism of the next two centuries tended to emphasize guilt for and victory over known sins. Although the submission of one’s will to God and a subsequent infilling or baptism of the Holy Spirit typically would be urged as necessary to achieve moral purity, God’s power was most often seen as cooperating with or working through the native powers of the sovereign individual will. While American Christianity in general and evangelicalism in particular came in too many varieties to allow easy generalization, we can at least say that Edwards was correct in identifying a trend toward what he called “Arminianism” in what would become “the land of the free.”

The foundational problem that led to this low view of sin and God’s expectation of holiness was a wrong view of the freedom of the will. People did not realize that their wills are wholly bound by their sinful natures. They felt that they were able, in their own power and through their own freedom, to change their behavior. They may have sought God’s assistance in doing this, but did not rely on His grace and power. God merely cooperated with man’s inherent ability. And sadly, even centuries later, little has changed across a large spectrum of Christianity.

The solution today is the same as it was in Edwards’ day. “People needed to be properly convinced of their real guilt and sinfulness, in the sight of God, and their deserving of his wrath.” Every Christian needs not only to own up to his sin and guilt, but to admit that he is deserving of God’s wrath. No one has properly apprehended God’s grace until he has understood his own sinfulness and knows that he fully deserves God’s just and holy punishment. The evangelical church of our day is a wrathless church—a church that speaks often of God’s love and grace, but rarely of the deepest necessity of this love and grace. The church today needs an infusion of the gospel, the whole gospel, which speaks not only of God’s love, but first of our desperate need of reconciliation. The gospel paints us as we really are—as sinners who sin because of our fundamental guilt, our fundamental hatred of God. Only when we see ourselves as sinners can we truly see Christ as Savior.

Comments (35) »


1. Jake Belder
December 11, 2006
10:19 AM

Great post…it’s so true that there is a distinction between will and act and how it is not given the attention it needs. It’s an amazing thing when you pray, and you ask God to reveal the deepest recesses of your heart, and the idolatries that you hold there. So often you have done so unconsciously, and it can be scary to see what is in there. Molding to God’s will is certainly difficult, but you’re right—-it’s more than just not acting a certain way. Worldview…yes, worldview change. Worldview, what a great word :)


2. kletois
December 11, 2006
10:42 AM

I thought the death of Christ washes away our guilt and reconciles us to God - you might be laying on a burden which sounds spiritual, but isn’t the gospel. Yes we sin, but we are no longer under wrath, or deserve it due to our new status - clothed in an alien righteousness that is Christ’s.
To say the church is wrathless isn’t the problem, its the fact that many are there by false pretenses. They never knew of their desperate condition, that they are enemies of God, are sinful beyond measure, and totally deserving of wrath in the first place.


3. connie
December 11, 2006
10:56 AM

Greatly appreciate this post. Until we fully understand who God is and how hopeless and helpless we are apart from His grace and mercy, we continue to struggle against Him rather than be molded by Him.

This continues to bear itself out in countless conversations I have with professing Xian women. So many seem to be completely unaware of God’s true nature and holiness—the WHOLE of His character—and how that must impact our understanding and dependence in being conformed to the image of His Son.

Rightly understanding God’s true nature and character enables me to be grateful when the Lord “lays me low” and gives me a clearer knowledge and understanding of my utter need for Him! I am nothing without Him and apart from Him I can do NOTHING.


4. Gospeldrivenlife@gmail.com
December 11, 2006
11:07 AM

Tim

This is one of the most insightful pieces I have read in a while. Just the other day someone I know well in Christ expressed their shock at someone else’s sin. I do so all the time because I believe we can change!

Thanks for a thoughtful piece that drives us to the Savior.

Mark


5. Dreamcoat Boy
December 11, 2006
11:20 AM

outstanding!

but…

aren’t you supposed to be working on your book?


6. Tim Challies
December 11, 2006
12:05 PM

“aren’t you supposed to be working on your book?”

I will hang my head in shame…


7. Rong
December 11, 2006
12:38 PM

Nice job Tim. If we don’t understand our totally wretched condition apart from the saving grace of Christ, then we’ll always believe that we play some role in our salvation.

If I can just stop doing this one bad habit. If I can just get rid of this one sin. If I can… then I’ll be good enough to stand before God.

In doing that, we not only cheapen, but we spit on the gift that God has given us in his Son.


8. Pete
December 11, 2006
1:24 PM

Excellent post!

Sin is not what we do, sin is who we are.

There are two kinds of Christians. Those who think we are sinners because we sin and those who think we sin because we are sinners.

You are ‘spot on’ with scripture in confirming the latter to be the case.

The former view “sinners because we sin” leads to man either making the Law ‘manageable’ and becoming a Pharisee(because they think they aren’t sinning anymore), or being continually ‘crushed’ by the Law over and over again leading to despair(because they see themselves sinning daily with no way out).

As Paul said, who will free me from this? Christ. Thanks be to God that by means of the gospel we are freed to serve.

Wonderful post! Thanks Tim.

-Pete


9. Paul
December 11, 2006
1:44 PM

Thanks for (yet another) great post. It seems like we can also fail in the other way as well, namely, admitting that we are generally sinful but not being willing to take responsibility for particular sins. Especially when it means apologizing or admitting that someone else was right and we were wrong.


10. Pete
December 11, 2006
2:52 PM

Agree 100% Paul. Treating sin lightly is falling off the horse on the other side. In my opinion, this is a faith problem, not a Law problem. If we are spending time in God’s word, prayer, worship, Christian fellowship; essentially cooperating with the Holy Spirit’s work in our lives, this makes it hard for a Christian to not live a life of Christian freedom, whereby they are freed to live out our true purpose and identify. Albeit never perfectly in this life.

-Pete


11. SolShine7
December 11, 2006
2:52 PM

I’ve never heard it explained this way before. This post made me think about things in a different light. This passage really challenged me: “We do not need to seek forgiveness merely for the sins we commit, but for our fundamentally evil and rebellious hearts—hearts that, in their natural state, hate God and are fully and completely opposed to Him.” Whoa…I’ve never heard anything like that in church before. But it makes sense, the Bible does say in Galatians to live in the Spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

The lyrics to Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing came to mind as I read this post. These lyrics in particular: “Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it. Prone to leave the God I love; Here’s my heart, O take and seal it. Seal it for Thy courts above.” Whenever I hear or sing that song that part really touches me and that goes back to the point you made about us wanting what’s contrary to God.

Thanks for the thought-provoking post. You’ve really given me something to mull over.


12. ReformedMommy
December 11, 2006
4:22 PM

Your comments about the Pharisee administrator remind me of a time in my life several years ago where, in the space of just a few months, I sinned in two previously (to me) unthinkable ways. The first was when I did something that at the time I was confident was righteous and God-honoring, only to discover it was presumptuous and wicked. The second was when I did something that I previously had specifically believed I didn’t “struggle” with.

The discovery that I was so wicked that I coud actually sin while believing I was righteous, and that I had done something that “Christians just don’t do”, was both devastating and gloriously life changing. In the aftermath of that time, the glory of Christ’s goodness and love in atoning for my sin became newly real and wonderful. My ability and even desire to see the wickedness of my heart grew as I became more cofident in how great was the grace and forgiveness of Christ offered to me. My love and compassion for my brothers and sisters who sinned against me or others grew, and my sinful surprise, disdain and pursed-lipped expressions of indignation at (other) Christians’ lack of righteousness diminished. My ability and desire to confess and repent of my sin against others, both Christian and non, increased because of my increased understanding of who I am -a wretched sinner - and who Jesus is - a wonderful Savior. It’s a blessing I thank God for, and one I pray for for those (including myself) whose acknowledgement of sin has been all too intellectual and not sufficiently experiential.


13. randy hurst
December 11, 2006
4:55 PM

Experiencing the ongoing replacement of Mans core sin nature with Christ’s core Love nature is the life of the saint. If sanctification were instantaneously complete there would have been no need for the new testament letters and their exhortations for “walking in the Spirit”. I’m reassured that my growth (slow as it may be) is real when the inner whispers of His Spirit remind me how True Love Acts… and I actually keep in step (as Gomer Pile-ish as they maybe)…

Love’s blood covers Sin & loves way prevents sins.

- randy


14. Tim T.
December 11, 2006
5:03 PM

The church today needs an infusion of the gospel, the whole gospel, which speaks not only of God’s love, but first of our desperate need of reconciliation.

Indeed — people need to understand the Bad News before they’ll truly comprehend the fact that the Good News really is good news.


15. Steve
December 11, 2006
5:19 PM

I found your thoughts very insightful, and poignant. I sat back and spent a good while considering the things you said, not only in relation to my life but in thought on how to make others realize the depth of their sinfulness.

I’m of the opinion that people come to God, desperate to change and seeking to find some thing in being a part of Him. Yet, I doubt that most have much of an idea what that “thing” is. Knowledge of God does not necessarily mean a relationship with Him, and their are many who are deep in their “book learnin” ,so to speak, but never move past just the knowledge into a living relationship with the Creator.

That being said, I think that we must all, as scripture tells us, “learn to grow up into Christ”. I think that people tend to sort of feel their way along the christian path, but unless that desire for knowledge of God and the relationship with Him continues to grow, then few grow into finding how sinful they are. In my own life, I look back and can see that my understanding of how wretched I am has grown right along with my relationship to God.

As you stated, we need to preach all of the gospel and not just the warm and fuzzy, love of God. Great post!


16. Jeff
December 11, 2006
6:08 PM

Tim, Although I sympathize with your stand on the need to see our sinful condition, what you write about seems to be a mixture of before Christ and after Christ. Please distinguish more clearly between the two conditions of our lives.

Ephesians 2 clearly states:

we were dead in trespasses and sins, but God..
we walked according to the course of this world, but God..
we were under the control of the prince of the power of the air, but God…
we lived in the lusts of our flesh, but God…
we were children of wrath, but God…

changed all that. He made us alive together with Christ (by Grace) and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

Now, if you want to keep seeing yourself as everything you used to be before Christ, then I would say you have not seen your present place in Him. You are not dead. You are not a sinner.

“…why am I also still being judged as a sinner?” Rom 3:7

Before Christ, we were dead in trespasses and sins, now we are dead in Him, and have been set free from our old sin nature.

There is an eternity of difference between what we used to be, and what we are now.


17. lisa4given
December 11, 2006
6:26 PM

Don’t you care whether or not you’re popular Mr. Tim??? :-) … because apparently you don’t embrace the flesh appealing gospel of restoring poor self-images. You know, that gospel in which God is seen as having provided through His Son Jesus Christ a way for us to pursue and sustain our own ambitions and lifestyles.
This post is just not going to be acceptable to the Pseudo-evangelicals.
If you could just be a little more broad and enigmatic… release yourself from the bondage of historic evangelicalism and write more ambiguously. …and in the process of mutating, do some back flips and join in on today’s hermeneutical gymnastics so that you, yes, YOU can be deluded! (I mean, popular)
Otherwise people are going to know what you believe and why… and that does NOT go over very well.


18. carissa
December 11, 2006
9:00 PM

“The discovery that I was so wicked that I coud actually sin while believing I was righteous, and that I had done something that “Christians just don’t do”, was both devastating and gloriously life changing. In the aftermath of that time, the glory of Christ’s goodness and love in atoning for my sin became newly real and wonderful.”

reformedmommy, i totally know what you mean. i’ve experienced something like that rather recently and the searing memory of that painful conviction, coupled with the knowledge that i’m forgiven and amazingly not under condemnation, have worked together powerfully in my life as well… i just wanted to say “me too!” :]


19. francisco
December 11, 2006
9:26 PM

That’s why everyday we must preach the gospel to ourselves. Your post is as outstanding as this excerpt from CJ Mahaney:

“What am I? Well, here is what I am. I am the worst sinner I know. And by the grace of God I am doing better than I deserve. For I deserve the righteous wrath of God because of my sin. I deserve to be punished eternally. But in the mystery of His mercy, God sacrificed and crushed His Son on the Cross—as my substitute—so that I might be forgiven of my sin and know God as my Father rather than my Judge. What am I? I am truly amazed by the grace of God. That’s what I am.”

http://blog.togetherforthegospel.org/2006/08/a_painful_pictu.html

Thank God for faithful and humble man!


20. Revere
December 11, 2006
10:36 PM

A fine piece of writing — wait a minute.. it describes me! Maybe it’s not so fine after all…


21. Charlene
December 12, 2006
2:12 AM

This is why hymns like “Lord, Like a Publican I Stand” (Trinity Hymnal #489) are so completely valuable:

Lord, like a publican I stand, and lift my heart to thee;
thy pard’ning grace, O God, command, be merciful to me.

“Everything I know, I learned from the Psalter Hymnal… “


22. Dixie
December 12, 2006
2:33 AM

I don’t see biblically where the bible calls those who follow Christ sinners. I see we were once sinners but now we are holy people, righteous, new creations who occasionally sin. The old man is done away with. Once we have repented and Christ is living in us, we are different than what are old ways were.

Just a thought.


23. damien howard
December 12, 2006
8:50 AM

The challenge is (always) to think biblically. As I have considered the compelling reasons to believe that Scripture is given to us by God two things that strike me are: It describes human nature as radically corrupt and deceitful. These traits are on display all around me and within me and yet we’re continually in denial about it. This denial is described clearly in Romans one.
Second, only Scripture speaks clearly about this. It contains a unique message that describes and explains what’s going on and yet we fail to embrace it as the source of truth. This is in keeping with its pronouncements about us, and points to its divine authorship. God is obviously as Scripture describes Him, and we are obviously as Scripture describes us. Resistance to the message is based not on skepticism (essentially) but rebellion in our nature.
We don’t come up with this stuff on our own.


24. Brian
December 12, 2006
9:01 AM

Luther said once we are redeemed, we are at the same time sinners and saints. (whereas before, we were only sinners). Did not Paul call himself (present tense) the chief of sinners? I would also submit Romans 7 as evidence that genuine Christians wrestle deeply with their sinful nature.


25. Sara
December 12, 2006
9:13 AM

Tim,

Thanks again for insightful post that sheds light on my condition and causes me to be close to the cross again.

Sara


26. Andy
December 12, 2006
9:48 AM

Tim:

You consistently give us good things to think about. This post is one of your best.

As a former pastor, I can affirm every sentence of what you have written. There was a time when, striving mightily to communicate these truths to my congregation and seeing little impact there, I felt this was a problem of my church. As I read and observed widely what is going on in the churches (and pulpits!) of America I realized the problem is indeed very widespread.

I can also affirm the testimony of earlier commenters - it is only when you see yourself as a sinner, deserving God’s wrath, that you begin to grasp the love of Christ, and begin to love others in a redemptive way - as Christ loved. Sometimes this only comes home to us when we do something that “Christians just don’t do” or when God reveals a dark part of our hearts that we have not seen before.

But when sin becomes real to us, Christ becomes real to us, because “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.” “Though my sin rises to the heavens, God’s mercy rises higher still.”

Thanks again for a marvelous statement of truth.

Andy


27. Joey
December 12, 2006
1:52 PM

I’ve noticed how some fundamentalists like to emphasize that they still preach against sin and name sins. Dr. John R. Rice wrote a pamphlet called, “Why Preach Against Sin.” The implication is that many churches have compromised and stopped preaching against sin (which is true — Osteen, Schuler, etc.), but the fundamentalists are still going to preach against sin.

However, as I began listening to more reformed preachers, I began noticing that they don’t typically preach against particular sins. Instead, they preach about the sinfulness of mankind in a way that reveals to me my utter sinfulness and rebellion and my need for Christ.

When I was in fundamentalist churches, they were preaching against particular sins by telling me not to commit those sins. Since I didn’t commit most of the sins that were preached against, I ended up feeling self-righteous and wasn’t really drawn to Christ by that preaching.

It’s the difference between preaching imperatives (don’t commit adultery) and preaching indicatives (you’re already guilty of adultery). One tends to push you toward Christ, one tends to push you away from Christ.

Thanks for the article, Tim.

(BTW, I realize there are many good fundamentalist preachers who would not fall into this categorization. However, I am mainly speaking regarding the fundamentalism with which I am familiar.)


28. pduggie
December 12, 2006
3:15 PM

For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins


29. Jerry
December 12, 2006
5:32 PM

So Puritanism is still alive in our culture.
Johnathan Edwards is not a real thinker. He was insane. Recognize the period of “The Great Awakening.” Edwards was the inventor of the fire and grimstone sermon. Do you remember your history? He was kicked out of his church after one year. One year! How can this man be correct about anything. He believed that God hated all humans because of original sin. It clearly states in the Bible that that is the exact opposite of what God feels. Johnathan Edwards was a quack, throw this article out and build your own relationship with God and Christ. Don’t listen to Edwards’ insane ideas, Jesus Christ has washed us of our sins. Praise God for he is good!


30. Garret
December 13, 2006
11:55 AM

Julie: I don’t see biblically where the bible calls those who follow Christ sinners.

Jeff: Please distinguish more clearly between the two conditions of our lives.

I think Brian hits the nail on the head in response to the two posts above.

Brian: Luther said once we are redeemed, we are at the same time sinners and saints. (whereas before, we were only sinners). Did not Paul call himself (present tense) the chief of sinners? I would also submit Romans 7 as evidence that genuine Christians wrestle deeply with their sinful nature.

simul iustus et peccator - At the same time righteous and a sinner


31. Jeff
December 13, 2006
5:04 PM

I realize this might not go over well with most of you, but please hear me out. We once were sinners, yes, dead in our trespasses and sins. However, there has been a significant change take place because of the blood of Christ. The change is not so much in our actions, but in our place and position. Romans 6 and 7 deal with the changed “sin nature”. Romans 8 says there is no more condemnation for that sin nature, but goes on to say that the flesh now needs to be dealt with.

The comments made by others seem to me to take something away from the work of Christ on the cross and His resurrection, and our participation in the resurrection. We are the redeemed, bought with a price. When we look at ourselves (which is never a good thing to do, be introspective), and we only see a “sinner”, then we are saying, in essence, that the Lord’s death might not be enough for us to become a new person.

Perhaps this is all just a matter of perspective since I know I make mistakes, and sin is always crouching at the door, but I do not feel I am a sinner by nature. Sin is still very bad in a Christian, in fact, terrible and in serious need of being dealt with, but God will deal with us when we sin. He has dealt with our sin nature, and now He will deal with our on-going battle with the world, the flesh, and the devil.

How can a “sinner” be seated with Christ in heavenly places? How can a “sinner” who walks by the Spirit be condemned? How can a “sinner” be crucified with Christ, and have Christ living in him? Does Christ live in the heart of a “sinner?” No. Emphatically, No.

I totally disagree, strongly, with those who feel “Sin is not what we do, sin is who we are.” That is backwards.


32. Paul Helms
December 14, 2006
10:45 AM

Jeff,

I think that you may not be on the same page as some of the others (well, you yourself stated so). I think it’s best to start from the quote from Luther:

“simul iustus et peccator” = At the same time righteous and a sinner

This speaks the truth of our previous state (“And you were dead in the trespasses and sins…” Eph 2:1) and reinforces the fact that ONLY by the grace of Christ are we righteous (“But God, being rich in mercy… made us alive together with Christ” Eph. 2:4-6). We are sinners in and of ourselves, for if we were not sinners in ‘the flesh’, as Paul speaks of in Romans and Galatians, we would not need the grace of Christ to give us life.

This is the exact thing that John warns about in 1 John 1: “8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” If to be raised with Christ means that we no longer have a sinful nature, as you seem to assert, then it would be impossible for us to sin. And yet if we believe such a thing then we we are not walking in the truth, because it denies the very reality of redemption — we are redeemed solely on the basis of Christ’s merit and love. Apart from Christ we are completely unworthy, completely sinful, and completely deserving of God’s just wrath.

Why then do we still sin? This is the question that I feel Tim was trying to address. The person who, in response to their own blatant sins, responds with shock and awe: “How could I do that!?” does not seem to be fully aware that nothing good can come of our flesh. They need to hear the following: “But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness” (Rom. 8:10). Our sinful nature, that is, we in and of ourselves, are dead apart from Christ; but since He is in us we have life and a righteousness from God. We are at the same time sinner and saint. If we do not remember our sinful nature—which Paul is so eager to remind the Ephesians of in chapter 2—we would have no reason to continue to look to Christ.

Yes, we affirm that we are justified by faith and that His Spirit lives in us. Yes, we affirm that we are corrupt and sinful as fallen human creatures, and yet because of God’s love and grace in Christ we have been given new life in the Spirit to do good works and truly worship God. But we do not deny the depths from which we’ve come, and we do not deny that they are close at hand as long as we remain in the world—for until our bodies have been glorified, we are in a constant struggle to submit to the Spirit of God and be led by Him. We are not led by Him so as to completely cease from individual sins so that we find ourselves on the contented path of self-justification and morality; rather we are led by Him away from rest in our own sinful nature and toward a deep love and desire for our Heavenly Father, who conforms us image of Christ:

“For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.”

This destiny is for the Christian, though we remain humans who can and do sin because of the flesh WITHIN US that battles against the Spirit. The path to that conformity is only found in beholding the face of Christ and being transformed:

“And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.” (2 Cor. 3:18)

We are sinners in and of ourselves; we are righteous only in and through Christ. If we say that we have only ‘sinned’ at some point in our lives and then said a prayer and found the strength to overcome our obvious sins so that church-folk might approve of us, we are betraying the fact that we don’t believe that only the Spirit gives life. If it was the Spirit that gave us life and continues to do so, we will find no comfort in our own flesh and will boldly boast in the LORD as we are filled day by day with His Spirit and give no opportunity to the flesh which will remain with us until our death or the return of Our Lord. And this is the great occasion of our faith, which looks into things unseen and believes things which as yet do not seem true. We are “simul iustus et peccator”


33. Steve
December 14, 2006
5:16 PM

I think the point Tim was trying to make is the same as Paul in Romans. Paul spends a great deal of time telling us how he still struggles with his sinful nature. In essence he tells us that while we remain in this body, this body is still a part of this world and subject to its frailties and to the ruler of this world.
The only thing changed in us, upon our salvation, is the spirit within us. It is this spirit, the one that knows to do good, and doesn’t, that wars with our fleshly body and its sinfulness. The Grace of God allows Him to over look our sinful natures and opens the path for Him to be able to interact with us, but while we remain in this world…we remain sinful….else there would be no need for the continual cleansing of the spirit, or the need for us to continually reside under grace.

Paul tried to explain all this…that until we leave this body behind, we will never win the war against sin…some of the battles, maybe…but not the war.


34. Jeff
December 15, 2006
9:54 AM

Paul: Thanks for your interesting comment. It was very well written.

You said: “If to be raised with Christ means that we no longer have a sinful nature, as you seem to assert, then it would be impossible for us to sin.”

That isn’t necessarily true. Quite simply, we can sin, but not be sinners. What does Romans 6 mean when it says “… dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus” or “…having been freed from sin and enslaved to God”. This is the point at which we are changed from being “sinners” to being “saints”. It all hinges on whether the word in Romans 6 for sin means “sin nature”, or just any “sin”. And, then, if that “nature” has been changed in us.

It is a waste of a believer’s life to fight against an inner urge to sin, as if he could ever gain victory over it. The Christian who struggles daily against his sinning without realizing that the power of the indwelling sinful nature has been broken, is expending all his own strength to live, as one writer put it, “a mediocre Christian experience”.

God’s very own “divine nature” has replaced our “sinful nature”.

2Pe 1:4 For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.

I am not denying we sin, I am only saying the cause of that sin is not the impossible bonds of a “sin nature” received from Adam, but our choice to sin, and that we are purified from our former sins.

2Pe 1:9 For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.

I would hope many would see this. We have been set free from the curse of sin, and the power of sin.


35. Paul Helms
December 19, 2006
11:58 PM

Jeff,

I completely agree that we have been set free from its power, so that we can be assured that we will progress in holiness by the power of the Spirit within us which brings us along a steady incline to outward righteousness. This progression comes as a manifestation of our inner righteousness, a purified heart which Christ purchased for us on the cross and delivers to us by the daily experience of the Spirit. That being said, we must pursue it volitionally, as the apostle Paul commanded the Galatians: “But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.” (Gal. 5:16)

That same book shows that the Spirit-filled life is indeed a battle, not only with external forces (for surely we are tempted by Satan and worldliness as well) but with internal ones:

“For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.” (Gal. 5:17-18)

The Spirit does NOT replace our sinful nature; one of His (many) roles is to lead us by a great working of power toward sanctification whereby we learn to be led by Him, choosing to glorify God in our bodies and hearts rather than defame Him by choosing to sin. What Paul is saying that by walking in the flesh (which we are very capable of doing, considering it still dwells within us—see Romans 7) we will gratify the desires of the flesh—we will inevitably sin in that the ‘desires of the flesh are against the Spirit’. But by walking in the Spirit, we will be living in the power of His inward work to the glory of God.

I firmly agree; may it be that we all learn to walk humbly by the Spirit. But let it be ingrained in all (especially myself), we must realize the depth of our depravity before we will seek the great riches of our Savior’s fullness given to us by the Holy Spirit.