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08/05/06
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A Disturbing Trend

It was announced on Thursday that Multnomah Publishers has been purchased by Random House, Inc. In a press release, Random House says:

The Oregon-based Multnomah publishes more than 100 new titles annually by such popular authors as Randy Alcorn, Shaunti Feldhahn, Robin Jones Gunn, and Andy Stanley. Its active backlist of more than 600 works of fiction and nonfiction includes classic books of faith by Dr. James Dobson, Francine Rivers, and Joshua Harris, and THE PRAYER OF JABEZ by Bruce Wilkinson, the eight-million-copy #1 New York Times bestseller and the bestselling book published in the U.S. in 2001.

Multnomah will become Random House, Inc.’s second evangelical Christian imprint, following the creation of WaterBrook Press in 1996. WaterBrook is an editorially autonomous division of Random House’s Doubleday Broadway Publishing Group. Multnomah will be integrated operationally with WaterBrook, relocating to WaterBrook’s offices in Colorado Springs. Together they will form the new WaterBrook Multnomah division within Doubleday Broadway, with each imprint maintaining its distinct editorial identity.

This is further evidence of a disturbing trend in Christian publishing in which we see secular companies purchasing and assimilating Christian imprints. As the press release indicates, Random House now has two Christian imprints, Multnomah and WaterBrook Press. Similarly, Zondervan was recently purchased by Harper Collins. The Christian music industry has seen similar patterns. This proves that Christian products, whether books, music or trinkets, are becoming an increasingly lucrative market and one that is ripe for exploitation by big companies.

The acquisition of Multnomah makes for some strange dynamics. For instance, books like The Cross Centered Life by C.J. Mahaney and Stop Dating the Church by Josh Harris, both gospel-centered books written by godly, gospel-focused men, are published by a gospel-free secular company. It is fair to ask how this will impact the company’s long-term dedication to these books and to the authors. And I wonder how these authors and others will regard the company now that it is in new hands. The time may soon be coming when many of the most popular versions of the Bible are owned and printed by non-Christian companies. We an only guess what the ramifications of such a situation might be.

In recent months I have heard any number of stories about publishers and their sometimes shocking attitudes toward their authors and books. Too often it seems publishers, and big publishers in particular, are driven by the bottom line more than anything else. There are exceptions, of course, and many publishers (especially smaller ones) have maintained their integrity. P&R Publishing, Crossway, Evangelical Press and others seem to truly desire to honor God through the business of publishing books. But too many others have become captives to the bottom line, publishing books primarily on the basis of what will sell the most copies. And in an age when almost anything can pass for “Christian,” these popular books often bear little resemblance to the Christianity of the Bible. It is little wonder that ministries like Ligonier have created their own small publishing branches. With increasing ease of distribution in today’s world and Sproul’s name to provide credibility, this publishing venture may just succeed. I’m sure many other ministries will follow suit.

Can Sovereign Grace Books or Grace To You Publishing be far behind?

A Disturbing Trend

Comments (68) »


1. Bobby
August 5, 2006
2:20 PM

This is a thoughtful post, Tim, but you forgot one important name: the Banner of Truth trust!!! I have been seriously blessed by their ministry of re-publishing classic Biblical Christian books. I pray that God will bless Banner and raise up many other Gospel-centered publishing companies to counteract this unsettling trend.


2. david
August 5, 2006
2:57 PM

Can Sovereign Grace Books or Grace To You Publishing be far behind?

I hope not! It is only right that Christians maintain control of all aspects of their ministries.


3. Jim
August 5, 2006
3:02 PM

Tim,

This is a very disturbing picture. It stabs at the heart of Christian literature and the motivation behind publishing.

I think it is imperative that as Christians, we support those who produce books that edify Christ and not simply tickle our ears.

Conversely, I think that when companies like Amazon.com and secular publishers begin to control production and distribution, we are being set up for a gradual infiltration of heretical teachings into our most popular Bible teachers.

Therefore, look before you buy and consider who you are supporting rather than simply finding the lowest cost supplier.


4. wayne
August 5, 2006
3:08 PM

I was thinking to myself … I wonder if anybody else is going to misunderstand Tim’s last sentence, like I did. You see, I skimmed your second last paragraph and so didn’t read in context. Then I click on the comments and sure enough someone else did misread you too. I don’t feel so bad now.


5. Marty
August 5, 2006
3:43 PM

The publishing industry has such margins that a publisher has to publish books that sell thousands in order to keep sales growing. That is the reason publishing companies will abandon their commitment to publishing as being a ministry to the church and become simply publishing companies.

We are about to begin one of those small publishing ministries here in the USA starting in September. Matthias Media (publishers of Two Ways to Live evangelism resources) has been faithfully producing gospel-centered resources in Australia and the UK for years now. Those who know of Matthias Media in America have been saying what Tim said above for many years and thus encouraged us to begin a US-based ministry. We chose deliberately not to list on Amazon.com with the hope that people will have the same attitude as Jim’s (above) toward those who are trying to remain faithful.


6. mjb
August 5, 2006
3:46 PM

Thanks for bringing this to light Tim….

“It is only right that Christians maintain control of all aspects of their ministries.” - This is one area where independent publishing, under the accountability of the local church, has its advantages.


7. Steve Jobs
August 5, 2006
4:10 PM

My how proof is so subjective these days.


8. Jim
August 5, 2006
4:34 PM

Marty,

Drop me a line with your info on this new venture.

God bless, Jim


9. Peter D. nelson
August 5, 2006
5:30 PM

Well I got to say that I am sorry to see this happen but my natural cynicism jumps in and I have to say that unless the owners of Multnomah didn’t want to sell the company it wouldn’t have happened. Obviously the owners mindset is on something other than ministry.


10. David C. Kanz
August 5, 2006
5:58 PM

Could it be that the present owners of Christian publishing houses do not possess the same burden as did the founders of these publishing houses? Nor the same worldview…

Bruce Wilkinson’s book coming out of Multnomah was the death knell for this endeavor and may truly reflect the condition of the owners and operators of Mulnomah.

Marketability—-target audiences——demographics——seem to be the bottom line in most “Christian” endeavors these days.


11. moosiecat
August 5, 2006
10:04 PM

I have a question - what is wrong with using Amazon.com if I only buy books that I know are published by truly Christian publishers? Didn’t Amazon have to buy them from them? or from someone who did originally? and if so, would this not be supporting them? thanks!


12. Aaron Tweeton
August 5, 2006
11:57 PM

A secular publishing company can’t just swallow up a Christian publisher unless that company’s owner or stockholders make a decision to place profit above publishing truth.


13. Jay C.
August 6, 2006
12:01 AM

Tim-

Great post, and this is that one issue that has really, really worried me as I’ve seen “Christianity” become the newest big market fad. We should have seen it coming when the “Religious Right” ‘coopted’ the 2004 elections.

Methinks that David C. Kanz is dead on, too.


14. Alex Chediak
August 6, 2006
12:37 AM

Tim,

As a small-time author, I echo your concerns regarding the publishing community in general. I would add Christian Focus Publishers to your list of publishers that are retaining doctrinal fidelity and seeking primarily to spread the glory of God’s name through their books.

Alex


15. Marty
August 6, 2006
7:15 AM

Moosiecat,

The reason you can buy books so cheap at Amazon.com is because they a) purchase them at deeply discounted prices and b) economies of scale . Amazon is a middleman.

These discounts are sometimes greater than retailers get (Christians bookstores). So, the profit on a book sold through Amazon (and other similar stores) is minimal for the publisher.

Still, publishers know they must go to Amazon in order to allow their books to have full exposure. To make up for the profit lost in going through a middleman, the publisher is relying upon volume of sales.

Unfortunately, by selling faithful evangelical books, a publisher has already cut their market to a minimum and sales numbers generally don’t make up for the discounting.

This is why many publishers have gone astray - they need to bring to market books that sell. Those those books usually aren’t faithful books but rather books in the mold of 2 Timothy 4:3

So, yes, you are supporting the the publishers by purchasing them through Amazon. But, they are losing the cost of the middleman. You are supporting the middleman almost as much as the publisher. For a small publisher, that money is an even greater deficit to make up. Money is needed to fund the development of resources.

It used to be that you could not purchase direct from a publisher but that has changed mostly. So, if you purchase direct from the publisher you will be giving more of your money to them and not to the middleman.

There is nothing wrong with Amazon or with wanting to purchase at the lowest price. However, it does cut the profit a publisher makes.


16. Bibliomaniac
August 6, 2006
9:41 AM

Tim: You mentioned being shocked at how many Christian publishers are becoming more driven by the bottom line. I agree it’s unfortunate when that’s true about a publisher—it shouldn’t be the case. However, Marty is correct—the profit margins in publishing are so unbelievably small that a publisher DOES have to make sure large numbers of books sell in order to stay afloat. The great expense of publishing a book nowadays makes it very, very difficult to justify publishing and keeping in stock a book that sells in small quantities—unless, of course, you’re able to offset that in other ways (keep you company very small, remain a nonprofit ministry that can ask for donations, etc.).

What I think is even more shocking than the bottom-line problem is the magnitude of theological ignorance among those who head Christian publishing houses. Some of the CEOs and presidents lack the discernment necessary to publish solidly biblical books. The gatekeepers to the Christian reading community are too careless about whom they allow to feed the sheep.


17. Steve Camp
August 6, 2006
10:10 AM

Dear Tim:

Thank you for this post. As you know, this is one of the reasons I left the CCM Industry and published the 107 THESES, A Call for Reformation for Contemporary Christian Music. This has been going on for years.

Firstly, make no mistake, money is the only consideration here. One CCM record executive told me after I left his company and had recorded several records for him, when selling his label to a large multi-national conglomerate, that he could take the $40,000,000 and repent later. Very tragic.

Secondly, the biblical principles being violated here is found in 2 Cor. 6:14-7:1 - Paul warns against being unequally yoked with nonbelievers in any spiritually ministry or enterprise.

Thirdly, this will only change when all of the current headline authors, pastors, radio personalities, speakers, etc. will leave these unequally yoked entities and say no more. Integrity is greater than profits.

Unfortunately, there is not one evangelical leader currently that is willing to do this—regardless of their theological convictions and standing. Most of these men are great voices for the truth of the gospel, but when it comes to even them leaving these companies and giving up thousands and sometimes millions of dollars—they lack the courage.

Lastly, the justification for many staying with these secularly purchased publishers is this: “as long as they don’t tell me what to say, I’ll stay with them.” Sounds noble,,, right? Wrong. Paul never gives that loophole in the Scriptures. The message is important, but so are the methods—they are not a-moral.

I heard of this deal taking place several months ago—it is sad that it came to fruitition.

It’s sad that men of God are willing to stand against Open Theism, NPP, Socinianism, Sabellianism, Pragmatism, Political Activism, etc. but they won’t stand against that which affects their bottom line. We cannot serve both “God and Mammon,” can we?

How can we call people to abandon it all for the sake of the call, and then be bound with nonbelievers in Christian music and publishing? It is absolutely impossible.

Thank you again Tim for posting this… Steve 2 Cor. 4:5-7


18. steveprost
August 6, 2006
10:58 AM

Steve Camp,

I understand you have deep practical experience in this area of which I do not, but I am just trying to have you explain what you state is the biblical nature of your judgments. I have no dog in this fight, but you seem to be making the argument that any evangelical writer or artist who consciously joins such an “unequally yoked” organization (any publishing or recording business whose ownership or mgmt at the top is not controlled by Christians) is in violation of Scripture, ergo in sin.

First, do you truly intend to make such a sweeping statement which your post could be easily read to be saying? Second, if not, where do you draw the line exactly of where you can make a judgment about the intrinsic sinful nature of some business or ministry transaction with nonchristians, despite being unable yourself to see the motive of any individual’s heart? Do you go so far as saying any evangelical Christian who would now join or work for Multnomah as an executive or agree to have a secular publishing firm print and publish their finished work, which in various cases can occur without editorial change, is per se in sin?

If you can not tell us where the line or lines are, and are merely saying “it’s always a question of the individual’s motive or heart and the actual nature of the business relationship for which you need to get into the details, but we need to be very careful here”, then I should think you need to be more careful about what sounds to me like making judgments where Scripture does not warrant you to be encouraging us to be so broadly condemning and creating rules Scripture does not. Especially as you go more public with your opinion, you are influencing others to make similar judgments about a multitude of people in a multitude of different circumstances which itself can lead to wrong judgments and divisiveness, unnecessary economic harm to employees and writer/artists who feel a need to accomodate a newly raised evangelical cultural standard rule. I agree wholeheartedly with your informed conern for all Christians to consider as a biblical principle, not as a rule prohibiting writers and musicians to have relationships with nonchristians who are not changing the content of their ministry.


19. Ellen
August 6, 2006
11:53 AM

Steve (Camp) and Tim - we know that bloggers have a pretty bit audience (some of us way, way smaller - or bigger - than others).

Is there a way that we (bloggers) can independently do book and/or movie reviews inside of a NETWORK of Christian bloggers, referring directly to publishers? I know that (when I can) I refer readers to Baker Book House to purchase, but if we could set up a network that would support many different publishers - maybe a non-profit version of Amazon?

I know that (I think) is sort of what you’re doing, Tim. But if we had a network of bloggers that could all point to the same sources, that would be very cool.


20. Steve Camp
August 6, 2006
2:11 PM

steveprost We all have PhD’s in rationalizing our behavior don’t we? I know I do. I could pragmatically try to justify staying in an industry that now the world has bought up. But Scripture doesn’t permit that partnership with nonbelievers when it comes to ministry—it is forbidden. The issue is not personal motive, but biblical standards being honored.

This is not a call to isolationism, but a call to biblical ministry.

ALL Christian labels or publishing houses have mission statements that are biblical in nature and purpose. They just are businesses, but ministries that support other individuals in their work for the Lord. It’s not entertainment, it is about the work of the gospel.

Most of us who have been in the industry for many years know the reality of this. And yes, it is sin to submit ones ministry to the hands of nonbelievers who, because of the money involved, have the final say on everything. Do not think for a moment that a large publishing house buys a Christian one, pays millions for the company, and then says, “just go and do whatever you want to do…” It doesn’t work that way.

Rather than making music or printing books that are for the glory of God and the furtherance of His gospel and for the building up of the the body of Christ, it is now consumer driven. Ministry is not the concern, only money.

Thank the Lord, there are still alternatives within Christian publishing where you don’t have to sign with one that has compromised itself by selling out their company to nonbelievers for millions of dollars for pragmatic concerns. Tyndale House is still owned by believers; same with Crossway to name two. In CCM there is no alternative—the world owns it all.

Pray for reformation for us all within this industry that God would bring genuine reformation to the Christian media world. You can read more about this here.

Grace and peace to you and thank you for your comments and questions.


21. Steve Camp
August 6, 2006
2:14 PM

I am sorry that the first link wasn’t correctly inputed. Here is the correct one.

Steve


22. Ellen
August 6, 2006
2:35 PM

Something I just thought of that could easily have a bearing on this.

I think a friend told me that the laws of the land (and the laws could have changed since his class) require companies with public shares to make the decisions that make the most amount of profit - would that play in, or am I wrong?


23. Steve Camp
August 6, 2006
2:48 PM

Ellen

Yes that is true. Publicly traded companies, such as Thomas Nelson/Word, are subject to the stockholders. It’s very sad when Zondervan sold its soul to Rupert Murdock. Zondervan since then has published the TNIV—a gender neutral Bible; and has been mostly responsible for publishing the lion-share of the ECM material.

Under secular ownership, doctrine or theology, biblical truth doesn’t even come up on the radar screen. Their only concern is what sells. And to sell huge volumes of books today, you usually (though not always) have to dumb-down the message.

There is little “Christian” of anything associated with the CCM or CBA. It is nothing more than what Rev. Dr. William Dennison calls “baptized secularism.”

However, thank the Lord for the blogosphere and internet. We should look at starting an online publishing house that would operate under biblical principles, being Christian owned and operated, and not charge for any of its materials, but offer them whatever people could afford to give.

What do you all think?

Grace and peace, Campi 2 Cor. 3:5


24. Francisco
August 6, 2006
3:20 PM

Is it any wonder tha Amazon is the Walmart of book publishing? A question to you is: are you willing to buy a book thru an independent Christian publisher rather than thru a gigantic company able to drop book prices a few bucks because it gets its profits selling by the thousands? A friend of mine chose to buy thru Amazon a book because it allowed him to save a couple of bucks! I am not far from not following his example. Not after I bought a 0.80 $ lantern instead of the next cheapest (8.00 $). Low prices always?


25. Bibliomaniac
August 6, 2006
4:35 PM

I’ll make just one comment regarding what Steve Camp has posted. The mere fact a Christian publisher is still privately owned does not necessarily make it any better than a Christian publisher that is owned by a nonChristian corporation.

There are some privately owned Christian publishers who are just as bottom-line driven as a secular company, and there are some that are Christian in name only and show little or no biblical discernment in what they publish. My encouragement to Steve is that there’s quite a bit more to the equation than just the matter he has brought up.

Moreover, if Steve Camp believes that all the publishing decisions made at Zondervan or Thomas Nelson are okayed or vetoed at a secular headquarters over and above the Christian publisher, he is incorrect. Some influence may be exerted from above, but it is rarely an absolute influence. I fear Steve Camp is imposing his experience from the Christian music industry upon the Christian publishing one.


26. Ellen
August 6, 2006
5:11 PM

I do believe that Christian companies should be able to operate at a profit (if a man cannot provide for his family he is worse than a pagan) - but where to draw the line? I don’t know.


27. Bibliomaniac
August 6, 2006
5:30 PM

Ellen: You’re right that there’s nothing wrong with a Christian company making a profit. After all, that’s what helps keep the company afloat, pay the salaries, and enables growth so the company can do more. There is nothing unbiblical about making a profit.

You then asked, “Where to draw the line?” Well, the line isn’t easy to draw or discern, but there are two considerations here: 1. The motive for making a profit. It’s very difficult to determine another person’s motive. But in Christian ministry, the supreme motives should always be to glorify God and stay true to His Word no matter what. The bottom line should stay exactly there—at the bottom, not anywhere near the top. 2. While there’s nothing wrong with making a profit, there IS something wrong with setting prices unreasonably high out of greed.

With both considerations, we’re talking about matters of the heart, which makes it hard to “draw a line” so to speak. But we who are believers should always examine our motives and reasons when it comes to money and business, and make sure that we are doing what is right and honorable. It’s so easy for us to rationalize when it comes to our motives or reasons, and we need to caution against that.


28. Michael Hanson
August 6, 2006
6:42 PM

Steve,

I guess I’m just curious as to what you would say to this, but what are churches to do when it comes to contructing new buildings at their campuses? Are they to only be partnered with “Christian” contractors and architects? Where is the line drawn? I guess my point would be that I think you are drawing lines and making judgments that aren’t present in Scripture.

The respectable evangelical authors who say that these publishers don’t tell them what to say should be trusted, and if what they say is true, then great for them, and I don’t think they are disobeying what Paul is saying in 2 Cor. 6 and 7. Perhaps a more secular company can further those faithful books much more effectively than a smaller publisher can, which is for the benefit of the whole church. And if these publishers make a lot of money from it, and the authors give all their royalties away, as most of them do, then great. The unbelievers who work for these companies may make a lot of money, and that’s great for them. God’s prospering of people is common grace offered to them, and should not be spurned by believers, but we should merely set an example by our giving, and pray for their hearts.

Anyways, just a few thoughts to think about. I hope all is well.

  • Michael

29. Deborah Weisbrod
August 6, 2006
10:30 PM

Tim,

Having worked in the retail end of Christian books, I must say I am not all too surprised. The chain of bookstores I worked for did indeed become slaves to “the bottom line”. In the end God withdrew His blessing from the ministry because the focus had been shifted from bring Him the glory due to His name to making sufficent profit to keep the stockholders and other execs. at home office happy. It was tragic that most of a group of Christians only had good intentions versus strong convictions about their service to God.


30. The Greatest Man Alive
August 6, 2006
11:23 PM

Where to start? I’ve taken a few minutes to try and gauge the best way to approach this. I’ll start by allowing two contemporary reformed theologians to speak their minds about the Christian/secular dichotomy.

“God did not invent Christian music or Christian books. He has never organized a Christian concert or Christian Yellow Pages. The doctrine of creation teaches us that, while in the realm of redemption (regeneration, justification, sanctification, union with Christ, etc.) we are different from non-Christians, in the realm of what we eat, drink, watch, play, work at, create, and discuss, we share a common humanity. What our convictions require is not that we deny our humanity, but that we be God-centered in the way in which we express our humanity.” —Michael Scott Horton, Putting Amazing Back into Grace, pp. 35-6

“One lesson to be learned already from this is that God has an interest in all our nonreligious life. All our business transactions are his concern. God is not so distant or even so “religious” that he only cares about what happens at church and during devotions. Every square inch of this earth is his and every minute of our lives is a loan from his breath. He is much more secular than we think.” —John Piper, The Pleasures of God, p. 253

At first one might think that these opinions clash. I suggest they don’t, and that they form the best biblical view of this issue. Instead of just lifting II Corinthians 6:14+ out of its context, let’s look at a little more Paul to see if the idea of allowing a secular publisher to release your book really is sin if they aren’t changing the theological content, or if a Christian author shouldn’t continue to allow publishing of his material by a Christian publisher now owned by a secular company.

“I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people—-not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—-not even to eat with such a one.” I Corinthians 5:9-11 ESV

Paul makes it clear that breaking of association with those of sinful nature is relagated to the context of believers only, a clear allusion to discipline within the church, as it would be impossible to be alive and not be association with sinful unbelievers.

Now, for a more diffucult text let’s focus on Ephesians 5:3-14 with the command of verse 7 that says, “Therefore do not associate with them;…”

The overall context is about sexual immorality, impurity and covetouness not being discussed in detail among believers (v.3). After stating those whose life is defined by that are doomed (v.5), Paul tells his audience not to let people “deceive them with empty words” and tells of the punishment for those deeds (v.6). After setting the stage he gets to the comment in question and then goes on about darkness and light (vv. 8-14), how those deeds don’t fit our speech (v.12), and how light has changed us from darkness and affected our walk (vv.8, 14).

The dispute is about what verse 7 actually extends to. Some have taken it as a way to avoid all contact with unbelievers outside of direct evangelistic endeavors. Here are a few views on what is being dealt with:

“That is, do not be their partners in these sins, which would neccessarily expose you to the penalty threatened against them.” —Charles Hodge, Ephesians: The Crossway Classic Commentaries, p.171

“Rather the term partners, which appears in the New Testament only here and at 3:6, is used to signify ‘one who shares in a possesion or a relationship’. Accordingly, the readers are to make sure that they do not share with disobedient Gentiles in their immorality and thus escape the judgement that rightly falls with it (cf. 2 Cor. 6:14-7:1). —Peter T. O’Brien, The Letter to the Ephesians: PNTC, pp. 365-66

“I take this to mean, don’t get involved, or participate in any form of the spirit of Antinomianism.” —R.C. Sproul, The Purpose of God in Ephesians, p.125

“Paule is not prohibiting all contact or association with such people. Otherwise we could not bring them the good news or seek to restrain them from their evil ways. And we would need to go out of the world altogether, which Christ has forbidden (Jn. 17:15; I Cor. 5:9-10). The Greek word summetochoi refers to participation, not just association, and the prohibition means ‘do not be partners with them’ (NIV). For if we do share in their practices, as Lot warned in Sodom, we run the risk of sharing in their doom.” —John Stott, The Message of Ephesians, p. 198

The only commetary, out of 8 that I’m using to teach through Ephesians, that dares dispute this is Andrew Lincoln’s and he, while very technical, holds to the view of Ephesians as a non-Pauline text.

Why so much on this passage? It is in a clearer setting than is the II Corinthians passage. Always interpret the vague by the clear. Paul in I Corinthians clearly shows that getting completely away from nonbelievers involved in the grossest of sin is impossible. In Ephsesians he restricts us from partnering/partaking in the sins themselves, but also enjoins us to be light as we were once darkness and the light changed us.

Even Matthew Poole, while holding the opposing view of the II Corinthians passage in Vol. 3 of his Commentary on the Holy Bible, said he couldn’t rectify his view on this passage with the clear understanding of the I Corinthians passage.

How can it possibly be wrong for a sound theological work to be published by Multnomah at this point? Unless Randy Alcorn, Josh Harris or others are allowing their content to be edited to a more favorable yet less biblical standard, or are joining in the sins of those non-Christians involved with the publishing, what legitimate biblical grounds are there for anything but prayerful support? It’s quite easy to stand at a distance and throw stones. Just make sure the stones have truth in them or else let them drop and walk away.


31. Steve Camp
August 7, 2006
10:22 AM

The following is from the 107 THESES that I released 9 years ago October 31, 1997. It was sent to, evaluated and approved by many evangelical leaders and pastors that I deeply respect and admire for their faithful handling of God’s Word in ministry among whom were Dr. R.C. Sproul and Dr. John MacArthur.

I think this well help clarify a bit more the issues at hand. It’s not about pragmatics, as some have suggested here (who can get out the books to more people), it is not about isolationism (hiring a Christian construction team to build a building—not at all), it is about being in the world and not being of it.

It is not wrong to work for IBM, but IBM can’t own my ministry. I realize that this is a difficult issue, but I thank the Lord for Tim posting his article and for the freedom and joy to be part of this important discussion here.

Grace and peace, Steve Col. 1:9-14

Part Six: To not be Unequally Yoked with an Unbelieving World

74. The CCMI [and Christian Publishing Industry] has committed spiritual adultery in joining itself with the wayward world in trying to forward the message of the gospel. This has and will prove to be fatal for Gospel music, as we know it today. (Deuteronomy 32:22-24; Psalm 1; Jeremiah 17:5-8)

75. We cannot partner with the unbelieving world in a common spiritual enterprise or ministry. To harness unbelievers and believers in a Christ-centered endeavor is to be unequally yoked. (2 Corinthians 6:14-16)

76. We must be separate from non-Christians in positions of ownership, authority or influence in the advancement of the gospel. (Ibid.)

77. The kingdom of light and the kingdom of darkness are two mutually exclusive worlds; two opposing societies; two converse communities that are incompatible and incongruous with each other in regards to the faith. (Ibid.)

78. One is characterized by righteousness, light, Christ, believers and the temple of God. Lawlessness, darkness, Belial, unbelievers and the temple of idols distinguish the other. One is based on God’s truth-the other on Lucifer’s lies. In matters of Christian faith and belief no partnership does or really can exist between these two realms. (Ibid.)

79. “To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being detestable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.” (Titus 1:15-16)

80. God is our Father and we, as His children, must disavow all praetorian religious and spiritual alliances with sin and Satan or we will forfeit the joy and blessing that flow from obedient fellowship in the Lord Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 6:17-18)

81. Satan’s number one assault on the church is to infiltrate with error. He doesn’t want to fight the church-he wants to join it. (John 8:44; 2 Corinthians 11:12-15; 1 Timothy 4:1)

82. Undiscerning believers think it a profound ministry strategy to join forces with unregenerate people in forwarding the gospel. Unwittingly, they harness Jesus Christ, the Worthy One, with Belial or Satan, the worthless one, in an unholy alliance-the very essence of being unequally yoked. (2 Corinthians 6:15)

83. “Ephraim is joined to idols. Let him alone.” (Hosea 4:17)

84. We are not, however, called to isolationism. We are called to be salt and light in the world. We are to be faithful witnesses of God’s mercy, love and grace to the lost and dying. We are to cultivate personal relationships with unbelievers, love our neighbor and our enemy, serve them and share our faith with them. (Matthew 5:13-16; 40-44)

85. We are to be in the world�but not of it-and this is our greatest challenge. Separation is not being divorced from contact with the world, but from complicity with and conformity to it. (1 John 2:15-17)

86. For instance, it is not unBiblical to consult non-Christian experts in matters of business, craft or trade (though whenever possible, Christian experts respected in these fields are preferable because of a shared integrity), but we can never engage in intimate binding-indissoluble relationships, alliances or partnerships that result in shared responsibility or authority for ministry purposes. (Deuteronomy 22:9-11; Philippians 2:14-15))

87. The promise of increased financial resources, wider distribution and a larger audience is not a justification for the surrender of our spiritual autonomy. (Luke 4:4-12; Ephesians 5:8-12)

88. It is impossible for God to fully bless and use His children who are in compromise with non-believers. (Romans 8:7-8)

89. “Adulterers and adulteresses. Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.” (James 4:4)


32. Bibliomaniac
August 7, 2006
11:21 AM

Regarding Steve Camp’s perception that secular publishing houses drive the direction of the Christian imprints under them…it’s possible that’s the case in some places, but it most definitely is not the case in others. In fact, when it comes to Random House and WaterBrook, a press release this morning affirmed, “WaterBrook is an editorially autonomous division of Random House’s Doubleday Broadway Publishing Group.”

Indeed, my contacts within the industry and my own personal experience affirm that this is the case.

Yes, a secular company will place pressure on its Chrsitian imprints to garner bottom-line results. But in at least some cases (if not most), interference with the editorial content is nonexistent or extremely minimal.

I say this not because I want to contend with Steve Camp, but because it’s important that we have the facts straight before we hurl any criticisms.


33. General Lee
August 7, 2006
11:49 AM

I apologize that I’m a little behind the times as far as the investment world is concerned. But I thought I saw in your posting that you were wondering if the day would come when the Bible would be owned by non-Christians? Doesn’t Rupert Murdoch already own the most common and well known versions of the Bible such as the KJV, etc? I thought Zondervan owned the KJV, which is controlled by by Harper-Collins, which is controlled by News Corporation, which is controlled by Mr. Murdoch? Did something change that I missed? As isn’t Mr. Murdoch off limits for us as Christians to critique because he owns the totally cool Fox Network? Sure, Fox has a lot of vile stuff in their entertainment division, but their news is right on because it’s 100% Rockefeller Republican. Am I missing something here? How dare we critique any of News Corp’s policies, procedures or tv shows or movies because having Fox news trumps all of that! We should all be thankful that those of us invested in News Corp. (NWS) has enough business sense to get into the lucrative Christian market and enough sense to put out vile filth, too. You never want to put all your eggs in one basket.

I appreciate your investment chat board. It helps keep me abreast of my portfolio and keep it up to date.


34. General Lee
August 7, 2006
12:14 PM

As the name implies, I’m from the South and therefore not the brightest guy in the world. I went back and reread my post. It would appear as if I’m still coming to grips with the English language. I apologize for any typos, etc.

But since this is an investment board, I wanted to clear up some misinformation. Thomas-Nelson went private and is no longer publicly traded. The are part of InterMedia Partners now. So if you weren’t a stockholder of record when they went private, then you’re out of luck.

I’ve noticed that some of you on this board are breaking the most basic rule of investing: letting your emotions rule your investments. There has been talk about the religious philosophies of the publishing companies and whether they are good or not. As long as sales are up that’s all we as investors need to be concerned about. I’m afraid that some of you are cheating yourselves out of good investments by not thinking pragmatically and letting your personal biases distort your investment decisions.


35. Jim Crigler
August 7, 2006
12:31 PM

  1. I’m reasonably certain that General Lee meant the NIV and its offspring, not the KJV. I think the U.S. copyright may have expired on the latter. :-)

  2. I appreciate the fact that Steve Camp is differentiating ministry from other expression by Christians, e.g., the band Soular is a secular, non-ministry band made up of Christians. The same would go for, say, a Christian novelist who is not promoting his/her work as “Christian fiction.”


36. General Lee
August 7, 2006
1:20 PM

James,

You are correct. The KJV has been around long enough that it is now in the public domain and not copyrighted. Although, it could be said that Zondervan is one of the biggest publishers of it, so they still get a lot of money from it. I didn’t realize this before, but the Bible is a growing market to clever marketing and is open to new sales from actualy new copyrighted versions. There could be any type of Bible you can think of: the Bible for teen girls, the Bible for pre-teen girls, the Gay Bible, the Muslim Bible, the Cowboy’s Bible, etc. This should lead to increased earnings for Zondervan.


37. Tim
August 7, 2006
1:41 PM

Tim,

Great discussion, we have dealt with all these issues for the past several years at Ligonier Ministries. As you know, we have recently launched a new publishing division, “Reformation Trust Publishing”. So, contrary to an earlier comment, (sorry Steve)there are now at least 2 “evangelical leaders”, who agree with much of what has been said and are doing something about this “disturbing trend”.

Dr. R.C. Sproul, and Dr. Steve Lawson, are the first authors to agree to publish several new titles under the ?Reformation Trust Publishing? brand. We also have another publishing division, “Soli Deo Gloria” which is committed to publishing works of the Puritans, whom no longer have worries about this trend.

Thank you for your work, we appreciate what you are doing for the Kingdom.

T. D. Ligonier Ministries


38. General Lee
August 7, 2006
2:17 PM

TD (Jakes?), thanks for the tip about Ligioner. What has your stock been trading at lately?


39. Steve Camp
August 7, 2006
3:47 PM

Tim: There is no contradiction here.

This is a brand new venture… correct? I have a clarifying question you: Is it wholly owned by Ligonier with no outside funding by non-Christians, nor partnership in any measure in management, decision-making, or product influence by any non-Christians?

This is good news and another step in the right direction… So encouraging to see it happening. Another question: Is R.C. going to publish any more titles with some of the publishers who are secularly owned in the future, or will he be publishing exclusively with Reformation Trust for however many more excellent tomes he blesses the body of Christ with in the future?

Lastly, are you or R.C. prepared to make a public statement repudiating the current trends in Christian publishing, decrying secular ownership of Christian publishing houses and the unequally yoked state of the CBA?

It would be a tremendous help in this effort.

I so appreciate R.C. very much… and here is another reason to PTL for our brother.

Grace and peace, Steve 2 Cor. 4:5-7


40. Steve Camp
August 7, 2006
3:56 PM

Biblemaniac You wrote: I say this not because I want to contend with Steve Camp, but because it’s important that we have the facts straight before we hurl any criticisms.

My facts are correct.

I live in Nashville and have friends at every level of the publishing industry (books and music). Having lived here for 23 years and have functioned in this industry for 19 years of it, this is more than a casual discussion for me.

But with all do respect, the issue here is not secular pressure for content sake, the issue is the yoking of partnership with nonbelievers in the ministry of Christian publishing and music.

I hope that helps clarify a bit more… I would like you to deal with the biblical texts on this issue though. No one ever wins a pragmatic discussion. What do you think the Word of God teaches about this…

Steve Col. 1:9-14


41. Bibliomaniac
August 7, 2006
5:04 PM

Steve: Thanks for responding to my comment, and I appreciate your invitation to give my thoughts on the yoking of partnership with unbelievers. Right now time constraints prevent me from giving my answer at this moment (it would take some time to type it all out), but I’ll try to get to work on it (may be a while).

In the meantime, I would still contend you don’t necessarily have your facts correct, and you’ve attempted to sidestep that by saying pragmatic discussions don’t get us anywhere (a point I basically agree with, by the way). For example, consider this one statement you made earlier: “It’s very sad when Zondervan sold its soul to Rupert Murdock. Zondervan since then has published the TNIV—a gender neutral Bible; and has been mostly responsible for publishing the lion-share of the ECM material.”

Very clearly, you have posited a cause-effect relationship here—that since Zondervan went under Murdoch (correct spelling), it has published the TNIV and lion’s share of the ECM material.

However, if you do your research, I believe you will find confirmation that the seeds for Zondervan’s involvement with the TNIV and ECM were not necessarily sowed by HarperCollins or Murdoch, but rather, go back to earlier years and that executives and others at Zondervan had already evidenced relativistic and ecumenical leanings before the HarperCollins purchase. Also key is that Zondervan has long operated more as a business than a ministry—again, this goes back to before HarperCollins came along.

When it comes to the books you see being produced by Christian publishing hosues, by and large it is professedly Christian businessmen at the top who are making these decisions, along with editors, etc. within the staff itself. Many Christian publishing houses have fallen quite well on their own—there’s no need to point the finger of blame to those particular houses that are owned by secular firms.

Much of the bad fruit we see coming from Christian publishing houses today cannot be blamed on ownership by secular corporations, but by the fact the church in America is in such poor spiritual health. Zondervan’s decisions to do ECM books didn’t come from above, it came from being convinced by those within the ECM that this is what today’s church needs.


42. Bibliomaniac
August 7, 2006
5:07 PM

Clarification: I wrote, “Many Christian publishing houses have fallen quite well on their own—there’s no need to point the finger of blame to those particular houses that are owned by secular firms.”

That should read, “Many Christian publishing houses have fallen quite well on their own—there’s no need to point the finger of blame to secular firms that happen to own Christian publishing houses.”


43. Tim
August 7, 2006
9:35 PM

Tim,

Will you please send Steve Camp my email address so that we can begin an off-line conversation on this subject as well, which you are welcome to join? In the mean time, I’ll prepare a response to a few of his questions for tomorrow? Thanks.

And thank you again for your work.

T.D.(not jakes) Ligonier Ministries


44. Captain Planet
August 7, 2006
9:40 PM

Steve Camp,

You talk a whole lot about your credentials, but you really don’t say much else. Just because you have lived in Nashville for a while and “have friends” doesn’t really mean jack. You expound poorly on a text and post part of your “theses” which, you say, have been “evaluated and approved by many evangelical leaders and pastors that [you] deeply respect and admire for their faithful handling of God’s Word in ministry among whom were Dr. R.C. Sproul and Dr. John MacArthur,” and that means what?? If a solid gospel-centered book reaches a much larger audience through a secular publishing house than it would through a “Christian” publishing house, I say more power to them. The books are for the church, and you can bark up a mast all you want about partnering with unbelievers, but if it’s not partnering in sin, and it’s for the benefit of the church, can you honestly say that it’s wrong when the text you “proof” it from doesn’t really apply to that context at all? I know you live in Nashville, but living in Nashville doesn’t guarantee the facts. God bless.

  • Captain Planet

45. moosiecat
August 7, 2006
9:43 PM

sorry for my ignorance - but what does “ECM” stand for? thanks!


46. Bibliomaniac
August 7, 2006
9:50 PM

Moosiecat: ECM=Emerging Church Movement

Captain Planet: I’d be careful about saying Steve Camp has expounded poorly on the text unless you’re able to defend specifically where the shortcomings are. I think he’s actually done a pretty good job of expounding the text, and that the difference between me and him is largely in the realm of how that text is applied.

The reason I called into question his comment about Murdoch and Zondervan is his cause-effect statement reveals a simplistic view that’s going to be extremely difficult for him to back up with any evidence, and seriously neglects to take into account more significant factors regarding the direction Zondervan’s pubishing program has taken.


47. JeffrO
August 8, 2006
12:17 AM

As an alumnus of Multnomah School of the Bible “MSB” (aka Multnomah Bible College and Seminary), I am especially saddened. In the 80’s I had many friends associated with the MP Publishing arm of our fine college in Portland, OR.
It was the works of MP that led me 3,000 miles to attend MSB. And through the works of Joe Aldrich I learned to share my faith. I was tutored to walk with my Savior through the works of our founder, John Mitchell. And the Spirit opened my eyes to the grandeur of God’s love in Christ and my inheritance with the saints from Professor David Needham’s “Birthright”. And as a student, I remember getting one of the very first copies of a book titled “Desiring God” and wondering who in the world was John Piper and what was this “Christian Hedonism” subtitle all about. I could go on and on. My loyalty and love for the name is hard to express. I was sad when MP left the fold of MSB, but consoled myself that they did not go far to Sisters, OR. But now I truly grieve. I guess I secretly felt it coming for years — ever since the success of “Jabez”. Pre-Jabez, I was hard pressed to find anyone in the Mid-Atlantic States who had heard of MSB or MP. Post-Jabez, MP became a household name…even if it was missed pronounced “Multa-NO-muh”. My wish would be that the name Multnomah be dropped entirely. Let her rest in peace. May my alma mater go back to relative obscurity faithfully training men and women to take the Good News to the ends of the earth — “If It’s Bible you want, then you want Multnomah”…Bible College, that is!


48. Randy Buist
August 8, 2006
12:35 AM

Steve,

So, is there a dicotomy between ministry and life? Christian music and secular publishers are out of line, but what about Christian businessmen and secular companies?

If my entire life is to declare the glory of God as the Psalmists claim, then there is not a time when I am ‘in ministry’ or ‘out of ministry.’ All of life is living in the presence of God.

Perhaps I am too reformed, but to declare parts of life as ministry and other parts as something other than ministry creates a dicotomy that the Scriptures never support.

While greed and desire for success has crept into the CCM world, so have these things crept into our churches. We love to have a well paid pastor, and we love to build another big church building all under the guise of worshipping God.


49. Tim Challies
August 8, 2006
5:35 AM

Captain Planet - I’d ask that you please be respectful towards Steve and everyone else involved in this discussion.

“If a solid gospel-centered book reaches a much larger audience through a secular publishing house than it would through a “Christian” publishing house, I say more power to them.”

That, my friend, is pure pragmatism. Speaking of expounding Scripture, you will have an exceedingly difficult time showing from the Bible that pragmatism is ever an option. God does not call us to results, but to obedience. It is not for us to measure success by the results we perceive, but by faithfulness to the Bible.

A couple of comments aside, this has been a very interesting discussion and I’m sorry that I have not been able to be more involved in it.


50. Bibliomaniac
August 8, 2006
9:08 AM

Tim: I have a quick question for you. As you know, Steve Camp asked a gracious question that I intend to answer when time allows, and I’m already formulating that answer in my mind now. But it has the potential to get long. I’m going to try to keep it as short as possible. But if it’s too cumbersome for me to answer here, let me know. I’m fine with whatever your preference is.


51. moosiecat
August 8, 2006
9:49 AM

just wanted to say “thanks” to Marty and Bibliomaniac for taking the time to answer my questions!


52. Tim Challies
August 8, 2006
10:08 AM

Bibliomaniac - Go ahead (unless you’re talking about a small book…) :)


53. Steve Camp
August 8, 2006
12:11 PM

To all who have given comments to some of my thoughts herr, thank you. I always learn, am challenged, and edified by differing views on issues such as this.

I also want to personally make known my love and appreciate for R.C. Sproul and the step of faith that he, Tim and all at Ligonier are taking by creating The Reformation Trust. R.C. has never been shy in standing for the orthodox message—it is good to see this brave-heart for the Lord stand for orthodox methods as well. He is to be admired, followed, prayed for and honored. (In fact, I just finished my morning hour walk and R.C. was ministering to me on my iPod—thank you brother for your faithful voice in a postmodern age.)

If those of a differing opinion could share with me, even if offline, a biblical view as to why they think that being unequally-yoked with nonbelievers in a spiritual ministry or enterprise is justified? I have only heard pragmatic justification (which theologically could be compared to Romanism :-)) rather than citing Scripture which some think gives the church, its pastors or itinerant ministers, evangelists, etc. permission to submit the ministry under the authority of those who are enemies of the cross?

Could you imagine Paul saying in Galatians 7, “I have cut a deal with Nero; he agrees to stop persecuting the church and throwing me jail if he can publish my next epistle under Neroian Publishing House. He won’t tell us what to say as long as he can control the money and make the lion-share (no pun intended) of the profits. Everybody wins! Think of how many more people we will be able to reach if his money, name and public persona are behind what we do. After all, this is the break we’ve been praying for. We will be culturally relevant, contextualized and still be able to share the gospel. And if in some of those publishing meetings Nero asks why I am so happy all the day long, I’ll be able to tell him privately.”

Point made.

Thank you for this privilege of posting here and for being sharpened by all contributors. My personal email is stevecamp@a1m.org if you would like to contact me off forum.

Tim, we are praying for you and the worship conference. Please give my warmest greeting to Bob Kauflin—I so appreciate what he is doing for the kingdom.

Grace and peace, Steve 2 Cor. 4:5-7


54. General Lee
August 8, 2006
12:54 PM

Will someone please tell me the purpose of this board, chat room, blog, or whatever the kids are calling it today? I thought it was a Christian investment chat room. But from some of the comments (many of the comments) I’ve seen, it appears as if many of you want to do anything BUT see your portfolio increase?! That is nuts!

If I’m reading you correctly, it would appear as if some of you are mixing business with church and really getting confused over it. It would appear that some hear can’t see the difference between a church and a business. Why do you have a problem with non-Christians owning Christian businesses? I know several people in the restaurant business and believe it or not, not every Greek restaurant is run by a Greek or every Mexican restaurant by a Mexican. I know a guy who owns a McDonald franchise who will hardly ever eat there because he’s into a healthy lifestyle and eating more nutritionally. Ever been to a health club? In the health club business you often have a lot of fat people who haven’t visited a health club as a customer in years.

Why do some of you insist that Christian businesses be run by Christians? The Christian market is pretty large and is a good investment. That’s why corporations like News Corp have divisions like Zondervan that produce Christian materials and they also have divisions that produce vile filth. Both are growth segments. It’s simply diversification.

If I go to a church, I want the pastor to be a Christian and authentic. But when I go to the local Christian bookstore I couldn’t care less if the owner agrees with the books they are selling or not.


55. Captain Planet
August 8, 2006
1:02 PM

Tim,

I apologize for the not being the kindest person on this thread. My intent was not to be unkind, but to make a very strong point.

Philippians 1:15-17 - “Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. The former proclaim Christ out of rivalry, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. What then?…”

“They need to be stopped, because even though they are proclaiming the gospel, they do so with wrong intentions. Their ends are correct, but their means are not…”

No.

“Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.”

Paul certainly didn’t have a problem with pragmatism. Look at Galatians, and you’ll see that he would rather have the true gospel peached by evil men than a slightly altered gospel preached by Peter or the Judaizers.

We must be careful here though, because people like Rick Warren could argue from this as well. The problem is that they don’t have the correct gospel, and in this their methods are folly.

If people are proclaiming the correct gospel, then their methods can’t be too far off, no matter how skewed their intentions.

Truly, if those Evangelical leaders have clear consciences about their books being published with those publishing houses (which I’m sure means that the content is not being touched), and they are reaching a more broad audience, praise God! God is exalted in that. And they are being faithful to the Bible.

I would much rather support sites like monergism.com, or Crossway, or Banner of Truth, or Reformation Trust, or Christian Focus, but if a gospel-centered book will reach a larger audience through Random House, I do not believe that it is wrong. If Random House was editing the content, it wouldn’t be a gospel-centered book for very long.

Truly, I hope this is edifying. God bless. And I apologize for being unkind earlier.

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56. bibliomaniac
August 8, 2006
1:57 PM

First, I want to say thanks to Tim Challies for providing this forum for discussion about the whole matter of secular companies owning Christian publishing houses. He appropriately titled his blogpost “An Alarming Trend,” and in bringing up Random House’s recent acquisition of Multnomah, has allowed for interaction on a matter of significant concern to people like me, Steve Camp, and others.

Because of time constraints, I’m going to have to break my answer down into parts. First I’m going to respond to Steve Camp’s invitation to share my thoughts on 2 Corinthians 6:14, which says, “Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.”

The proper application of this passage requires that we understand what Paul is saying and not saying. What kind of separation is he talking about here? Paul isn’t advocating that Christians completely withdraw from the world. It’s not a command to refuse associating with unbelievers. Note the distinction Paul makes in 1 Corinthians 5:9-10 and particularly what he says at the end of verse 10—for us to refuse to associate with unbelievers would require us to “go out of the world,” which is not what Paul asks believers to do. We cannot neglect our responsibility to fulfill the great commission and make Christ known to unbelievers.

Moreover, if Paul were calling for complete disassociation, he would be contradicting his encouragement that a believer STAY in a marriage to an unbeliever as long as it’s possible to do so (1 Corinthians 7:12-16).

The phrase “yoked together” is key here and hearkens back to Deuteronomy 22:10, which prohibited the Israelites from yoking together an ox and a donkey. Such a mismatch of animals would make it impossible to plow effectively. To yoke together speaks literally of binding together two things that don’t belong together. In 2 Corinthians, Paul then goes on to say that righteousness, light, and Christ have nothing in common with wickedness, darkness, and Belial. Contextually, it’s clear Paul is talking about spiritual endeavors, or work that is done for God. Believers and unbelievers should not be bound together in partnerships that permit a shared responsibility in the work of ministry.

That’s what the passages says…next, when I have a chance, a word about application.


57. Bibliomaniac
August 8, 2006
4:00 PM

Before we can determine whether 2 Corinthians 6:14 applies to a given real-world situation, it’s crucial that we answer two questions jointly:

  1. Who are the parties that are being “yoked together”?
  2. What is the purpose of the association?

Only when we answer both questions jointly will we know whether or not we have a situation that requires us to heed 2 Corinthians 6:14. Too often, when 2 Corinthians 6:14 is incorrectly applied, it’s because we didn’t take into consideration the entirety of what Paul is commanding in the text. Let me demonstrate:

First, there are some who say, “So what if a Christian publisher is owned by a secular company? If the secular company makes it possible for the Christian literature to reach a larger audience, all power to them!” Those who take such a stand are disregarding question #1 above and don’t care that a believer and unbeliever have been yoked together in a spiritual endeavor, which goes against Paul’s injunction that we NOT be unequally yoked in such situations. Such pragmatism (the end justifies the means) is clearly unbiblical.

Second, there are those who say, “If the Bible forbids us to be unequally yoked, then we should not have non-Christians repair our cars, perform surgery on us, give us legal advice, etc.” But that disregards the second crucial element in applying 2 Corinthians 6:14. Paul goes on in verses 14-16 and asks four rhetorical questions that make it clear his words about being “unequally yoked” apply strictly to spiritual endeavors—hence his contrasts between light and darkness, righteousness and lawlessness, etc. When it comes to ministry, believers and unbelievers have nothing in common, and therefore should not be unequally yoked. Such an alliance would defile the spiritual effort at hand. But this does not apply to nonspiritual activities. Steve Camp is correct when he states, in #86 of his theses, “It is not unbiblical to consult non-Christian experts in matters of business, craft or trade.”

So before 2 Corinthians 6:14 becomes applicable, you MUST have these two things in place: 1) the prospect of a believer being “bound together” with an unbeliever 2) in a ministry endeavor. Ignore just one of those two, and you’ve opened yourself to improper application. Ignore the first question asked above (who are the parties?), and you’ll end up resorting to pragmatic arguments to justify unequally binding relationships. Ignore the second element (what is the purpose of the association?), and you’ll end up in legalistic isolationism.

That’s my answer to Steve Camp on 2 Corinthians 6:14. Next is the application of all this to the Christian publishing world. I’ll try to wrap this up soon as I’m able.


58. Captain Planet
August 8, 2006
11:52 PM

Honestly though, you still disregard the fact that these publishing houses are not controlling the content of these solid evangelical authors. If the author is the copyright owner, and the content is not being editing, then these authors are not being bound to these unbelievers as Paul is talking about it. In that case, it is not pure pragmatism to hope that the books would reach a wider audience, it’s realizing that it is not the situation that Paul is talking about in 2 Corinthians 6, and it’s hoping that the church would be edified by these books. Please prove me wrong.


59. Captain Planet
August 8, 2006
11:52 PM

Honestly though, you still disregard the fact that these publishing houses are not controlling the content of these solid evangelical authors. If the author is the copyright owner, and the content is not being editing, then these authors are not being bound to these unbelievers as Paul is talking about it. In that case, it is not pure pragmatism to hope that the books would reach a wider audience, it’s realizing that it is not the situation that Paul is talking about in 2 Corinthians 6, and it’s hoping that the church would be edified by these books. Please prove me wrong.


60. Bibliomaniac
August 9, 2006
3:30 AM

As I get into the practical application of 2 Corinthians 6:14 to the Christian publishing world, I’ll start by saying I’m in agreement with Tim that the secular acquisition of Christian book houses is a disturbing trend. Yet it’s also disturbing when people make inaccurate statements about the way Christian publishing companies work. In our zeal to apply Scripture correctly, we must make sure we have our facts correct, too.

First, the application of 2 Corinthians 6:14. Paul is prohibiting the binding together of a believer and unbeliever in a ministry or spiritual endeavor. While many Christian publishers today operate more as a business than a ministry and are bottom-line driven, the nature of the products they produce places them clearly within the realm of a ministry. So it should disturb us when nonbelievers have ownership of an entity whose professed purpose is to glorify God and advance the teaching of His Word. For a Christian publisher to be owned by a secular corporation is to be unequally yoked.

But it’s at this juncture that interesting allegations sometimes enter the fray. For example, Camp stated earlier that “it is sin to submit one’s own ministry to the hands of nonbelievers who, because of the money involved, have the final say on everything. Do not think for a moment that a large publishing house buys a Christian one, pays millions for the company, and then says, ‘Just go and do whatever you want to do….’ It doesn’t work that way.”

While I cannot vouch for all secular-owned Christian publishing companies, I can say there are definitely a number in which secular owners do NOT have “final say on everything.” And when it comes to the direction of publishing programs, they say very little or nothing at all. While the secular corporations expect fiscal accountability (which is to be anticipated), the actual operation of the Christian publishing house and the decisions about which authors and books to publish are all handled in-house. When it comes to the publishing program and book choices, a number of secular-owned houses operate autonomously. Camp’s statements about “final say on everything” and “it doesn’t work that way” simply do not apply when it comes to companies such as Zondervan and WaterBrook. (By the way, Stan Gundry speaks for Zondervan on this matter in a Biola Connection interview summer of 2005.)

That such editorially autonomous setups exist doesn’t make a secular-owned Christian publishing house more “sanctified” in any way. Again, such an arrangement 1) violates 2 Corinthians 6:14, and 2) all too likely to push the Christian publishing house toward being bottom-line driven (if it wasn’t already).

An earlier comment was also made that gave the impression there’s a cause-effect relationship between HarperCollins’ ownership of Zondervan and Zondervan’s publication of the TNIV and ECM resources.

In actuality, International Bible Society (IBS) spearheaded the whole TNIV effort. They initiated and carried out the translation work. In addition, Zondervan already had an established relationship with the IBS because Zondervan had published the NIV (of which IBS is the copyright holder). So, if we’re going to blame an enemy for “infiltrating the camp,” let’s point to the correct one—which, in this case, is IBS, not HarperCollins or Murdoch. And as I said earlier, Zondervan’s decisions regarding ECM resources would NOT have been influenced by those from above, but by ECM authors who persuaded Zondervan (and of course, by Zondervan’s belief that there would be enough demand for such books to justify publishing them).

I could give more examples to support my arguments, but let me transition to an important point I believe is too often overlooked in this whole discussion about secular ownership of Christian houses. Keep in mind that Multnomah published The Prayer of Jabez without any help or influence from a secular owner. I don’t need to recount here the problems many of us had with the book. What’s sad is that many books containing questionable contents are being pumped out by Christian publishers of their own initiative, with no prompting from the world. The massive downward slide we see in the biblical and theological quality of the books produced by Christian publishing houses today had its start largely from within Christian circles, not without. Today’s spiritually weak church is producing weak fruit, and this is particularly evident in the Christian book marketplace.

What is needed is not only concern over the fact Christian publishing entities are being unequally yoked with secular owners, but also an urgent plea for Christian-owned publishing houses to exercise greater spiritual discernment and more diligent stewardship of the message God has entrusted to them.

So Christian publishing houses with secular owners are unequally yoked. But what about the authors who work with such publishers? Have they violated 2 Corinthians 6:14? That’s just a couple more brief comments, when I find the time.

Sorry, Tim, for the length of this.


61. General Lee
August 9, 2006
10:51 AM

Good points everyone. Although, I do have a question. Whenever I watch Family Guy and other such similar cartoons on tv, I con’t know about you, but I consider it mere entertainment as opposed to being ministered to. Family Guy and similar cartoons are often hilariously funny, but sometimes they do get a bit racy and almost go overboard when it comes to being perhaps sacrilegious. Personally, I would not put much credence into the “ministry” of the company that puts out shows like Family Guy. Maybe I’m the odd one here, but I would not join the Family Guy Community Church. I give credit to Rupert Murdoch for his business sense. The guy knows how to make money. It’s simply good business sense to diversify and have both vile programming and also Christian publishing. Ok, I don’t know Rupert Murdoch and am not on a personal level with any of the high level executives at News Corp, so this is purely a guess. My guess is that they consider themselves business people first and don’t consider themselves a ministry. Some of the posters in here have been calling these businesses “ministries” when they are actually businesses. Sure, maybe 70 years ago when some of these publishing houses started out they may have been started by Christians who considered themselves a ministry, but times change. There seems to be a lot of confusion on this board over businesses vs. non-profit organizations. A business is a business and the goal is to make a profit. A non-profit organization is a different organization. People start or join a non-profit organization because they believe in the values and goals of that organization and have a common belief system. Other than making enough money to simply pay the bills and pursue their goals, people in non-profits couldn’t care less about making money. The goal of the organization is not to make a profit. The people who run Christian businesses may or may not care one bit about Christianity. My main concern as an investor is that these companies are managed well and making a profit. He’s probably a nice guy and all that, but I’d hate to join a church where Rupert Murdoch is the pastor as some of you who seem to think should happen because you consider News Corp. a “ministry”!


62. Matt Haeck
August 9, 2006
11:49 AM

You know, it’s really frustrating when you spend a good amount of time writing a comment on someone’s blog and they don’t publish it. This is especially frustrating when you are the first voice to disagree in some way with the other voices. You try to address the issue as you see it (what blogging is all about), but try as you may it doesn’t get published. You wonder to yourself, Is it because I used the word “wh*re”?

Tim, did you really think my comment from 8/6 was “malicious”? I can assure you, it wasn’t meant to be. I suppose there is a slight chance that it didn’t even go through to you, in which case I apologize. Hopefully you publish this because I am going to leave a link to my site and the comment I wrote a few days ago.

http://seeandsavor.blogspot.com/2006/08/multnomah-criticism.html

I would appreciate it greatly if this gets published. thanks.


63. General Lee
August 9, 2006
12:00 PM

As a point of comparison, I hold ministries up to a higher standard of Christian living that I do any business. I don’t feel like naming any names right now, but we can all think of the stereotypical evangelist or Christian teacher who runs a ministry and has the surfeit of German cars, the multiple luxury houses, the corporate jet that is more up to date than 95% of the jets used in Fortune 500 corporations, etc. I have a leery attitude towards these ministries when it could possibly appear as if they have financial gain as their primary motive and their teachings are somewhat shaky. The reason I am susupicious of these ministries is because they purport to be ministries and therefore are accountable as such. But on the other hand, if a secular company wants to get into the Christian market I say more power to them! The secular company is not claiming to be a “ministry”; they simply have enough business sense to realize a profitable market to get into.

As far as the individual authors are concerned, I believe that’s an issue of Christian liberty. As long as they can write what they are led to write without any pressure to change, then it’s fine to use secular companies as the distributors. I’m not a huge fan of CCM, but as far as that’s concerned, I think “there’s a sucker born every minute”. It seems like a lot of artists can’t decide which direction to go and simply decide to be Christian artists or secular artists depending upon where they can make the most money and get the most chicks.


64. Bibliomaniac
August 9, 2006
2:09 PM

When an author works with a Christian publishing house owned by a secular company, has the author unequally yoked himself or herself with unbelievers? At first blush that may seem the case, but upon closer examination, I cannot help but keep running into a major obstacle that prevents me from reaching such a conclusion.

The obstacle is the fact we’re talking about a case of secondary separation here. As far as I’m aware, the New Testament does not give us clear instruction or a general model for how to handle this level of separation. Keep in mind that from the contractual and practical standpoints, an author’s binding relationship is strictly with the Christian publishing house and not the secular entity above. It is two Christian entities that have yoked together, not a believer and an unbeliever. Contrary to what some may claim, the reality in many cases is that the secular entity above exercises no voice whatsoever in any step of the publishing relationship between an author and the Christian house. Usually that voice from above stays limited to matters of fiscal responsibility and performance on the part of the Christian publisher itself, and the publishing program and editorial decisions are truly autonomous.

In summary, I am very reluctant to apply a primary separation passage to what is clearly a secondary separation issue.

Does this conclusively settle the issue for the Christian author? I don’t believe so. Though Scripture doesn’t specifically address secondary separation, it does exhort the believer to use discernment in all things. Different publishing houses work in different ways and the decision makers within houses have varying levels of convictions (or lack thereof) regarding various biblical truths. Authors should take seriously their responsibility to ask questions and examine the facts to determine whether association with a particular company has the potential to place the author in a position of spiritual compromise.

And such caution and discernment is necessary even when publishing with a Christian-owned company, as evidenced by some of what’s being published today.

The ideal will always be a Christian-owned and Christian-run company. Most definitely caution and discernment are needed in the cases where a secular entity owns the company and thus the publisher is unequally yoked. But to impose the unequally yoked standard upon a secondary relationship, as far as I can tell, goes beyond the clear instruction of Scripture.


65. The Greatest Man Alive
August 9, 2006
8:49 PM

I’d like to thank Tim for the topic and pretty much everyone for the responses. This has been done about as well as a discussion like this can be.

As for 2 Cor. 6:14 let me ask just one question: What is unequal yoking when it comes to ministry?

If it is allowing a secular publishing house to publish an authors work even without forcing changes in the text/theology, then how is it not wrong for the thousands of churches (my PCA church included) to rent out public school buildings. The buildings have just as much influence as the publishers in that instance. For that matter, how is it unequal yoking for Zondervan, Multnomah etc. to be owned by secular publishing houses unless there is direct involvement with the theological aspect of the material being produced? When the case is shown to be that a non-Christian had influence on the theology of the presentation then we have actual biblical inequity. We go way too far when we start forcing these texts well beyond the actual theological work.


66. Anthony
August 10, 2006
12:13 AM

Tim, nice post and I have enjoyed the conversations. Very helpful and encouraging to see so much Scripture being used - may we all strive to keep the Word near to us (Deut 30:14).

After 65 posts, I would like to reinforce your original point: this is a disturbing trend. To see the dangers of that trend, you really do not have to look further than Zondervan. Now, I don’t want to keep picking on them, but I am. Before I do, I would like to state I know there are good, well-meaning Christians working there, and I’m sure they have read or heard similar critiques that have been stated here, and I hope they stay encouraged and continue glorifying God in their work.

Go to their site, read their history, view those now in charge. They were a solid Christian publisher acquired by the opposite - (Google: 0380015390). Now, and to clarify, they are secular company that happens to publish Christian things because it is good for business. And therein lies the danger - business. When they now look at financial statements its all numbers. The impact they are making from a ministry standpoint (which is huge) is lost. And when you lose that perspective you lose your place, or purpose, if you will. Soon, the “little, less-marketable, authors” writing Church Planting books, or Biblical commentaries on Romans get pushed to the side.

Now, to those who say, “well, this would have been a disturbing trend a few years ago, but now we have blogs, and they will save us.” Don’t you think the multi-billion dollar book industry, namely Harper and Random House, have already anticipated that? - since it could be bad for business.


67. Dana
August 10, 2006
1:07 PM

I simply want to point out that: 1)Desiring God does have a ‘whatever you can afford’ policy and makes a huge amount of Dr. Piper’s material available for free; 2) John Piper personally takes nothing, zero, from the sale of any of his books. All income goes to Desiring God, which is under the authority of the elders of Bethlehem Baptist Church; and 3) Although Dr. Piper early on worked with Multnomah in the publication of some of his excellent books, primarily because of editor Steve Halliday, I think, his more recent works are published by Crossway.
I do NOT speak for John or Desiring God. I am a relative and friend. I simply wanted to point this out because I thought Steve did overstate the case a bit when he wrote earlier:

“there is not one evangelical leader currently that is willing to do this—regardless of their theological convictions and standing. Most of these men are great voices for the truth of the gospel, but when it comes to even them leaving these companies and giving up thousands and sometimes millions of dollars—they lack the courage.”

I thought this statement was unfortunate. John, for one, and I am sure there are more, is not in it for financial gain. He lives the war-time lifestyle he writes about. The money goes to third world pastors in the form of free books, children living among the poorest of the poor, and the very modest salaries paid to the Desiring God staff.

Thanks, Tim! I wish I was there with my close friend Greg and you at the Worship Conference!


68. Bibliomaniac
August 10, 2006
1:55 PM

In connection with Dana’s comment, I personally know of at least a couple other major evangelical Christian authors who make nothing from their books and put all the income toward ministries. But I cannot name them because they wouldn’t want that information known.

Interestingly, a few years ago at a major event, a major Christian author chastised a room full of Christian publishing executives for “doing nothing” to help third-world missionary endeavors…not realizing that a few of them were already involved in a HUGE way.