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05/25/06
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Dumb Dog

As I began writing this little post, my RSS reader pinged and up came the headline: “A Dog Story With A Happy Ending.” This comes courtesy of Rebecca, it seems. The timing is somewhat ironic, since the dog story I’m writing today has quite an unhappy ending.

Almost eight years ago, shortly after we got married, Aileen and I decided to get a dog. I was working late nights and we were living in Brantford. If you lived in this area and heard the word “Brantford,” you’d nod your head knowingly. A woman who is home alone at night in Brantford needs a dog in the house. We visited the Humane Society and came home with an energetic little Black Lab/German Shepherd cross we decided to name Tiazzi. It was a strange name for a strange dog. I can’t count the number of times over the past few years that Aileen has wondered why she didn’t choose the sedate little puppy, Tiazzi’s sister, that looked like a German Shepherd. But instead she took the tiny one that looked like a Lab.

Tiazzi was a smart dog, though never really looked it because she had oversize ears, one of which stood straight and tall while the other constantly flopped forward. She always looked a little cock-eyed. She always had far more energy than we could deal with, though as she aged she finally lost some of the edge. She had an enduring hatred of cats, mailmen, firetrucks and doorbells. She never bit or harmed anyone, but she had a loud bark that would strike fear in any heart (just ask my pastor if you don’t believe me!). We never worried about break-ins when she was around.

We did all the things first-time dog owners do. We took her to obedience lessons and played with her constantly. Aileen spent hours training her to do silly but amusing tricks. I took some time to play with her, but she really was Aileen’s puppy. I tolerated the dog, but never loved her. She was a difficult dog, and a stubborn one. She was probably too smart for her own good. She knew how to heel but chose not to obey us as we tried to convince her to actually do it when we walked her. She would pull and strain against the leash and no amount of convincing or cajoling or even pain would make her stop. Pinch collars, choke chains and other special devices proved useless. She would also jump up on visitors when they arrived. And again, there was nothing we could do to get her to stop this obnoxious behavior. As time went on, and as she got older, she got more hardened in her areas of poor behavior, caring less about our attempts to curb her.

puppy.jpgAfter a while a funny thing happened. Aileen gave birth to our first child and suddenly Tiazzi did not seem quite so important. We spent less time with her, both out of desire and necessity. Nevertheless, she adjusted quite well to the arrival of my son. She didn’t ever really like him or play with him, but she tolerated him and never tried to bite him, even when he helped himself to her kibble. My son was followed three years later by a daughter and when she was born the dog went on a short hunger strike. Tiazzi was, however, a dog and no dog (especially a Lab) can maintain a hunger strike for long. Eventually she gave in and began to tolerate a second child. That was three years ago.

A few months ago we moved to a new home and then, three weeks ago, Michaela was born. This time Tiazzi, now eight years old, seemed unable to adjust to the change. Her behavior changed. She began to bark at sights and sounds that seemed to exist only in her mind. She developed severe separation anxiety which led her to be destructive. When we put her in her kennel she would yelp and struggle until she shifted the kennel far enough along the floor that she could find something, anything, to destroy. Having torn a shirt or even her own bed to shreds, she would settle down and sleep. She soon confused the basement and her dog run, deciding that she no longer enjoyed being outside and would rather use the basement as her bathroom. She began to make a mess of the kid’s playroom.

Yesterday, nearing the end of our rope, we tried a new strategy, giving her the run of the whole laundry room (in the basement) while we went to my son’s ballgame. We came home to find she had chewed away a piece of the doorframe and had clawed under the gate to shred some of the basement carpet. This was the final straw. It was clear evidence of what we already knew—she was sick and was not going to get better.

There were not many options. The Humane Society would not take her. “If her anxiety is that bad now, it’s only going to get worse in the high-stress environment of the kennel. No one will ever adopt her here.” They suggested we put her on medication and take her to some form of pet counselling. The only other option, they said, was to contact our vet, who happens to be a great dog-lover, and have her euthanized. We do not have money for counselling (and probably not for medication either!), so we contacted the vet who said that, from the sound of things, her situation was sufficiently severe that even medication would not help. If we could not deal with her systematically destroying our house, we should consider putting her down. He has seen this before. After much consideration and many tears (from Aileen, at least), we decided that there was no option but to have her put down.

We felt better doing this based on the vet’s counsel, but it was still an awful option. This morning we had the children bid the dog farewell. They know only that Tiazzi has gone to the vet and that she won’t be back. I’m not sure how much more we should tell them. Perhaps ignorance is bliss. Perhaps this is a good moment to teach them a reality about life and death and sin and evil. We’ll worry about that later. Aileen gave Tiazzi a last hug and a last scratch behind the ears. I loaded the dog into the van and we drove to the vet’s office.

I arrived at the vet and, leaving the dog in the car, went inside. I filled out the paperwork, signed something I didn’t bother to read and gave them the ridiculous sum of $281.41 for their services. Having done that, I walked out to the car, fetched the dog, handed the leash to the receptionist and then turned my back and walked away. I didn’t exactly forget to say goodbye to the dog. I guess it’s more that I just couldn’t. I never loved the dog and really only barely tolerated her much of the time, but she was part of our lives for a long time and it was surprisingly hard to know she was going to die.

And then I dealt with this the way I deal with most difficult things. I turned on some really loud music and began to write.

It’s strange, really, that already I am writing in the past tense, even though the dog is probably still alive, at least for a few more minutes. I am reasonably comfortable with the decision we made, though I wouldn’t be surprised if I struggle in the dark hours of the night when I tend to lie awake and think. Aileen is less sure of what we did, but she also loved the dog more. In the end I console myself with the knowledge that Tiazzi was only an animal. She was a living being and was, in some way, precious in God’s eyes. She was certainly precious to Aileen. But she was a dog and had no soul. She will die sometime today and that will be all. Her heart will stop beating and she will be no more. She will not go to heaven and will not chase rabbits through the happy hunting grounds. She will simply stop being. She will be no more than a memory.

God is good to give us animals to serve and protect and comfort and cheer us. Tiazzi did plenty of all of that. But her time came to an end and I’m glad that she could go in peace. As much as I hate to say it, I am going to miss her. Despite the hardship she brought us, I am thankful that we were able to know her and have her live with us. I will choose to remember her fondly.

Dumb dog.

Dumb Dog

Comments (52) »


1. blestwithsons
May 25, 2006
12:20 PM

Oh Tim. I know exactly what you mean. We had a very similar dog before our first was born. Only Daly was like that pretty much from the beginning. Very destructive. Very anti-solitude. My husband once left him alone for five minutes to see me off on a trip and came back in to a shredded couch cushion. He (the dog- not my husband) also ate a hardback Bible, new cds still in the shrink wrap and lots of shoes….

When I was pregnant with Daniel, he turned the living room into a toilet and became our neighborhood’s resident Houdini. (A loose dog can get you booted from base housing.) We had to say goodbye. We were told that the shelter was one that did not do euthanization - but I think we were misinformed. I still feel a little guilty about Daly - but the situation was untenable…


2. Frank Martens
May 25, 2006
12:39 PM

Bummer,

My dog didn’t go insane, put him down because of old age and going blind (I also think he couldn’t hear). I owned the dog since I was 12 and finally put him down when I was 23. Probably one of the best dogs my family ever owned.

But, thank God for these creatures, they really are a comfort.

Cheers!


3. Rebecca
May 25, 2006
12:44 PM

Ahhhh….I don’t know if this helps at all, but we once had to have a dog put down because of similar behaviour problems. It too, was a black lab/german shepherd cross. The vet thought the problem was genetic as he sees a high incidence of this sort of thing in black labs.

It’s a whole lot easier to have a dog put down when they are physically ill than when they are mentally ill because it leaves more room for second guessing.

It’s a sad day in the Challies household.


4. Tim Challies
May 25, 2006
12:57 PM

“It’s a whole lot easier to have a dog put down when they are physically ill than when they are mentally ill because it leaves more room for second guessing.”

That’s just it, isn’t it? There is a lot more room to second guess when the dog is healthy and strong but the mind is weak. I know we made the right call, but it will take Aileen longer to convince herself of that, I think.


5. Tim Ellsworth
May 25, 2006
1:12 PM

Sorry for your loss. I know what it’s like to lose a dog, and it’s no fun.


6. Jeff Fuller
May 25, 2006
1:16 PM

Wow… Thanks Soooo Much for this post! My wife and I are going to look at a little dog today that we are trying to adopt.

Now I get to think about this little creature’s death before I even take the little thing home! Should make for a happy day for me…


7. Ray
May 25, 2006
1:17 PM

These type of problems with dogs are not uncommon. In these cases the only option, aside from the one you took is to post ” free to good home ” signs about the neighbourhood and pray that someone to answers. We rec’d our 2 1/2 year old lab ” Sam “, that way. If it’s any comfort though, most people would have made the same choice you did. I would have before we ended up with ” Sam “.


8. Dallas Pymm
May 25, 2006
1:30 PM

I was never a dog lover until my wife convinced me to let her get one. We got a long haired mini doxi named Dane. I now love this dog more than most people. Well….all people but my wife. :o) We now have two long haired mini doxies, my wife convinced me Dane needed a brother. I have become that person I looked down on for loving their animals so much. They love my wife and I so much. They would do anything for us, and live to be with us. Their faith in us and love for us puts our faith and love for God to shame. If want to see unconditional love, get a dog and love it. They will love you back so much more. My dogs are great gifts from God and I will enjoy them as long as God has planned. I am sure It will be a sad day in the Pymm house when one of our boys go.

Sorry for your loss Tim. I pray God comforts your family. Pets are a special blessing.


9. Kurt Nordstrom
May 25, 2006
2:02 PM

I’m interested in your conviction that animals have no place in eternity and merely ‘cease to exist’. Surely, this could be the case, but I don’t see any Biblical information about the matter, one way or the other.

The animals were created before the fall, and death was not part of that plan. Since Christ’s redemption will, ultimately, renew the entire creation, could there not be a place in eternity for the lower created creatures?

Just a thought.


10. Sam
May 25, 2006
2:17 PM

Kurt, Great question.

The sin of man caused this broken animal.

I have been on the side that animals wouldn’t be in heaven, but Kurt has a great point.

Not many people discuss this aspect of heaven? There was that movie, All dogs go to heaven.

Can any of the major theologians touch on this subject?

His, Sam


11. Sam
May 25, 2006
2:27 PM

Oh, and this isn’t the dog listed above posting with my paws…


12. Diane
May 25, 2006
2:56 PM

Awww… I’m so sorry Tim and Aileen. We have two dogs that we love and they bring much joy into the household. However, many years ago we had to put our Shepherd/mix down because she attacked one of our children unprovoked. My husband was in Korea at the time and so it was up to me to beat the dog off of my son. Our vet said it was common for Shepherds to go insane…. :( We loved her so it was difficult. I understand how you are feeling today. Sad day for your household.


13. Tim Challies
May 25, 2006
3:10 PM

“Since Christ’s redemption will, ultimately, renew the entire creation, could there not be a place in eternity for the lower created creatures?”

There may be, but I don’t think an animal has a soul to carry on after it dies. And should we assume that all animals go to heaven, or do some go to hell? Are animals morally responsible for their “sins?”

I know there will be animals in heaven, but will they be our animals? I don’t see that one can make a good argument for this. I’m also not sure that it really matters, because if your comfort in your pet’s death is that he or she will be in heaven, you’re misplacing your comfort!


14. Kurt Nordstrom
May 25, 2006
3:25 PM

Just so that nobody is left wondering, my comfort for heaven is in the promise of seeing Christ, not my pets that I’ve lost.

That said, I am uncomfortable with authoritative statements that ‘pets don’t go to heaven’, because, simply, God hasn’t revealed how He deals with His lower creatures when their time has expired.

When my children ask me what has happened to their lost animals, I intend to tell them that only God knows, but that He takes care of his creation in a way that is good and right.


15. Bibliomaniac
May 25, 2006
3:53 PM

I too am uncomfortable with authoritative statements on a matter the Bible is silent about. Without a doubt God took great pleasure in creating animals—one look at their infinite variety, beauty, and complexity tells us that. What exactly happens after they die is one of those issues only He knows. The fact Scripture doesn’t comment on it should tell is it’s a matter we should not concern ourselves with.

As for having a destructive dog, we’ve been there. Ours destroyed just about everything, including books and furniture. We were at wit’s end as to what to do, but the answer was taken out of our hands when one day the dog ran off our property and, unfortunately, ran into the street and traffic.


16. Brian Thornton
May 25, 2006
4:39 PM

Whether or not some of the animals in heaven will be some of those that were previously domesticated…there WILL be animals in heaven…

<i>The wolf will live with the lamb, 
and the leopard will lie down with the goat.
The calf, the young lion, and the fatling will be together,
and a child will lead them.<i>

<i>The cow and the bear will graze,
their young ones will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like an ox.<i>

<i>An infant will play beside the cobra's pit,
and a toddler will put his hand into a snake's den.<i>

<i>No one will harm or destroy
on My entire holy mountain,
for the land will be as full
of the knowledge of the LORD
as the sea is filled with water.<i>

-Is. 11:6-9


17. Darlene Johnson
May 25, 2006
5:21 PM

We are so sorry for you and your family. We had a similar experience when we moved to our current home.Our aging cocker spaniel was so disoriented and upset by the move that he started barking incessantly, dug an escape hole under the fence - he got stuck and Phil had to come home to get him out. He was losing his sight and hearing and there was no hope he would get better. It was really hard to see him so unhappy—so on a very sad rainy day I took him with the help of our youngest son to the animal shelter and they gave him the shot.It was so hard—but finally, 18 months ago we got the best puppy in the world.(at least for us)We got our beagle, Wrigley! And when your family is ready—look at beagles.They are smart,fun and affectionate family pets - so good with children!Kim in ON loves beagles too!


18. susanna
May 25, 2006
5:46 PM

HOw nice to see another picture of little Michaela…she’s so beautiful…can’t wait to see her tomorrow!!!!!


19. Kim in ON
May 25, 2006
5:49 PM

I’m with Darlene! Get a Beagle!

We bought our Beagle when our youngest was 2 years old. Other than having her chew on his toys, she was great.

If I had to do it again, I’d wait until the youngest was older. However, that said, Beagles are really smart. Our dog brings us her bowl when she is thirsty and hungry.

Lots of people say Beagles are stupid, but in reality, they can be stubborn.

I hear mine snoring right now.


20. Jeri
May 25, 2006
5:50 PM

The book “Heaven” by Randy Alcorn has some pretty interesting things to say about animals in Heaven (and about Heaven in general.) He’s careful to differentiate between speculation based on what the Bible says and what the Bible definitely reveals.


21. 4ever4given
May 25, 2006
5:56 PM

We have a Keeshond. (a breed from Denmark). They are beautiful and smart, but you have to brush them everyday. My son taught him (Flash) sign language and verbal commands (He knows the signs for speak, sit, stay, and the directional signs for run or walk, go around, etc.). When my son turned 10, we got him the dog. We felt that was an appropriate age to teach my son responsibilty beyond just taking care of himself, cleaning his room, taking out the garbage, etc. Taking care of something alive that would die if you did not take responsibilty for it brought a whole new perspective into his life regarding time management. It was a joy to watch my oldest son set up a schedule to care for and train his dog. My son did alot of research to find just the right breed of dog for him and our family… and he really is a GREAT dog.
I dread the day when Flash dies. Simply dread it.


22. Scott D. Andersen
May 25, 2006
5:58 PM

Tim,

Thanks for sharing your experience. Recently had a very similiar situation in our home.

Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

sda


23. Pastor Josh
May 25, 2006
6:49 PM

I has a dog that jumped out of our car window going down the street at forty miles an hour. Luckly I grabed his chain around his neck in time. You should seen his eyes looking up at me hanging outside the door. There was true terror in those eyes. Unfortiantly we had to put him to sleep 3 months later. He had a injury from that day, that was unseen in his head. It was a very sad day in the house hold. And the question from above about if animals go to heaven. I would have to say no. Since they don’t have a soul. When you go to heaven do you really think that you would look around for your animal. I think we’ll be a little busy praising our heavenly Father than to worry about a pet.


24. Allan
May 25, 2006
7:11 PM

When I read this post I thought “Oh no! - a pet dog story!” “This will become a river of ridiculous sentimental treacle.” But so far, quite sane!

(And yes, I admit almost cried when we administered the ‘final solution’ to our cat Andy!)


25. r
May 25, 2006
8:25 PM

I dont know if you have cable but there is a show on the national geographic channel called the “The Dog whisperer” Its not what you think, this guy is good, he deals with very bad dogs and gets them to obey extreemly well. My husbamd and I have applied some of his techniques toward our dog and have seen tremendous change. Its all about being assertive and being the “alpha male”, dogs dont understand human lanquege and they dont have the same feelings we do, people often make the mistake of seeing them as a person and all they know is “pack” mentality. As far as the question of where animals go when they die, nowhere, they have no soul and we were given authority over the animals right from the garden.


26. gamullet
May 25, 2006
9:25 PM

I. for one, will miss that poor old dog. I always enjoyed walking her whenever we came to visit. Dad


27. Brendt
May 25, 2006
9:55 PM

Regardless of your level of affection for him versus Aileen’s, I know this is tough. Thanks for sharing with us.

Stealing some of my comments from another blog, here’s my 0.02 USD on the “pets in heaven” question:

While on earth, God (obviously) gives us many, many good gifts of a not-specifically-spiritual nature. I really don’t believe that this is solely because our humanity and sin nature bar us from fully enjoying our relationship with Christ. So even when those barriers are lifted, I don’t see why He wouldn’t keep giving things like that. The Scriptural descriptions that we have of heaven seem to contain a lot of “unnecessary” stuff — things that don’t contradict the idea of Christ as our primary joy, but gifts that God “throws in” to enhance that joy even more. God is all we’ll ever need, and in heaven, all we’ll ever want, but I wouldn’t put it past Him to include our pets there to enhance our joy.


28. bugblaster
May 25, 2006
10:08 PM

So sorry about your dog. I’ve had to put a couple pets down over the years, and it is not fun walking away from the vet.

You lived in Brantford eh? We’re down in Simcoe. Brantford gets a bum rap. There are some nice areas.


29. Steve Sensenig
May 25, 2006
10:11 PM

She will not go to heaven and will not chase rabbits through the happy hunting grounds. She will simply stop being.

<tongue-in-cheek>I sure hope no one under the age of 18 reads this blog. First the crude language the other day, and now this harsh dogma (forgive the unintentional pun)?? What next, Tim? Arminians aren’t truly saved? ;) hehe</tongue-in-cheek>

steve :)


30. Philip Taylor
May 26, 2006
5:12 AM

I had a black lab cross (don’t know with what) and it lived until it was 18. And it was never allowed inside the house. It was kept outside and disciplined firmly (i.e. given a good lick in the rear) if it stepped out of line. That dog was the most faithfull and protective animal you could imagine.

So, my theory is - keep big dogs which might have a predisposition to madness outside and discipline them firmly. Take them on long walks so that they can run off much of their energy. If you do all this you will probably have a good pet.

Losing a dog after 18 years was quite an event.


31. Stephen Newell
May 26, 2006
6:43 AM

I’m likely in the minority here, but this post was, quite frankly, atrocious. Awful. Grimace-inducing. And not because a dog was put to sleep.

I’m just astonished at the rather callous and indifferent tone Tim takes towards this dog. I’m even more astonished that someone who is big on following Scripture makes an assertion that at best is mere speculation unfounded on Scripture. And all over an animal that seems to have been precious to everyone but him.

Please understand, this is not intended as a knock on you, brother. But this attitude towards a lowly animal is rather unsettling and unseemly. I’d go so far as to say it’s not Christlike, either. If the earth is the Lord’s and everything in it, shouldn’t our pets be treated with a modicum of respect and affection? Especially when they don’t have the faculties (and deliberately so, by the way) to defend themselves against such assertions as yours?

Simply put, we don’t know if animals have souls or not. We don’t know if animals go to the Lord when they die. It’s silly to presume to know the answer to those two questions, especially considering that we domesticate animals for companionship.

We know that animals have personalities simply by their behavior. Many of these traits are bred; others are unique to the animal. We know animals can show affection, loyalty and trust and can act in ways that in a human would be described as loving. They communicate on a very basic level that even a human can understand if the animal has been socialized well.

But we don’t consider them “on par” with us because they were not created with the same faculties we were, as well as the little thing about being the image of God. But just because they’re not on par with us is no reason to call them soulless ones who will be annihilated.


32. Char
May 26, 2006
7:37 AM

We are in the midst of a similar problem, as our dog Sam (a staffordshire) has become increasingly aggressive since my father’s death. We know it is because he misses Dad and he may get over it. But since he is a bulldog and he is getting older anyway, I fear we will probably have to put him down if only to prevent something bad from happening.

The firm discipline approach works with most dogs (did with Sam for a long time) but not all. We had a dalmatian/blue heeler that was absolutely deranged. We could do nothing with it, it’s previous owners couldn’t either. They told us it had been like that since puppyhood. I do hope that if pets indeed are in heaven, that dog is not included.

PS-4ever4given, I want some of your dog’s hair! Keeshond is one of the breeds with hair that is spinnable-the undercoat anyway. :c)


33. Lin
May 26, 2006
10:28 AM

It is obvious no one posting here grew up on a farm. I did not either but visited my country cousins every summer. Boy, did they see animals in a different light!

Cost of euthanasia for one sick old herding dog: one bullet.

Barn cat have kitties? Uh oh…they have to go. See that pond over there…..(enough said)

Lame horse: two bullets. Did you know there are actually people out there who will come and take large dead animals off your hands?

Don’t get attached to the chickens or name the pig…unless of course you name her: Ham Sandwich.

This city girl spent many a summer in tears over the destiny of these animals. My country cousins made a lot of fun of me.

On a farm, you get an education real quick on our dominion over animals and their uses for us.


34. Kim K.
May 26, 2006
11:56 AM

Lin’s comments remind me of a story my grandmother told about the traveling salesman selling animal “medicine”. He was astonished that she didn’t want to buy any chicken tonic, asking what she did when she had a sick chicken. Her response…”let it die”.

My uncle told a story about the day he came home from school to find my grandparents (same ones who let chickens die) at the kitchen table weeping. (For Dutch people who value their ability to show no emotions, that must have been an astonishing sight!) The cause of their distress….the family dog had been run over by a car.


35. Susan Simms
May 26, 2006
1:05 PM

Tim, this post caused me to remember the poem John Piper included at the end of his book, Future Grace. It’s called “Glorified”. Piper seems to think his dog will greet him in Heaven. Check it out at http://www.desiringgod.org/library/poems/03/glorified.html


36. 4ever4given
May 26, 2006
1:36 PM

Stephen Newell, maybe you can visit Lin’s cousins.

Char, In light of Lin’s post, perhaps after Flash passes, I’ll shave his fur and send it UPS so you can knit my son a sweater.


37. Tim Challies
May 26, 2006
1:58 PM

“The diabetic eats at will, The coronary runs uphill.”

This is why theologians don’t often write poetry. ;-)


38. She
May 26, 2006
2:10 PM

What a sad story and even sadder ending. That poor dog. Too bad he couldn’t have been given to an experienced dog trainer that may have been able to work through his problems. I hope your children don’t develop emotional or mental problems- you won’t be able to get rid of them as easily.

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” - Mahatma Gandhi


39. 4ever4given
May 26, 2006
3:19 PM

By the way, I say that lightheartedly… so please do not think I am digging my nails in… My nails are too full of dirt from planting beautiful flowers and too short from playing my guitar.


40. Allan
May 26, 2006
8:34 PM

(Quote) ‘Piper seems to think his dog will greet HIM in Heaven.’ (Unquote)

Here we go!!! - I KNEW it!

My question; I knew a dog that had SEVEN good masters. - Now WHICH will masterwill he greet in the resurrection!!!!????

C’mon! - Crass Sentimental Theology!!!


41. david
May 26, 2006
9:28 PM

My question; I knew a dog that had SEVEN good masters. - Now WHICH will masterwill he greet in the resurrection!!!!????

Ha!


42. Allan
May 26, 2006
10:26 PM

Sorry; ’ WHICH MASTER WILL HE GREET?’

Will that be BEFORE, our spouse, chidren, parents, grandparents, uncles, aunties, cousins, friends, enemies, work-mates, our OT and NT heroes, and OH YES OF COURSE! - THE LORD! - or will ‘Spot’ ‘Lassie’ or ‘Nero’ just have to wait, until ALL the humans we wanted to greet, have had their turn!?

Knowing OUR old Lab-Beagle cross ‘Fleur’, SHE will definitely be first!!!


43. Susan
May 27, 2006
2:57 PM

Allan wrote in an earlier comment: When I read this post I thought “Oh no! - a pet dog story!” “This will become a river of ridiculous sentimental treacle.” But so far, quite sane!

Then I read post 42.

Yeah, I am glad we’ve kept it sane, Allan! :-)


44. RoseMarie
May 28, 2006
2:52 PM

I too am in the minority. While there may have been other ways of dealing with the dog other than putting him down, I don’t see you as being wrong for choosing that. There was a time about 2 years ago that I thought about putting my dog down because we were getting ready to move and my dog (who is a biter and old) might not have been able to come with us. I was so afraid that someone would adopt him and then be cruel to him (he is moody and big and has a history of biting so that was a possibility) that I thought about putting that old dog down. Thank God it didn’t come to that.

What bothers me is that the dog was handed off to strangers and killed by people he didn’t know without the comfort of the people who owned him with him. I knew a woman who did that. Dropped off her cat to be put to sleep and then left it there because she didn’t want to be there when the cat was put down. I was horrified. Sure enough, when the woman’s father got sick in the nursing home, she didn’t go visit him. He was lost in dementia and I knew it was hard for her to see him like that, knowing he was going to die soon. I begged her to go see him. After much begging, she stopped by, left and never returned. That poor old man died alone in his nursing room a few weeks later. There were the same twinges of guilt she felt when the cat died alone and then it was all over.

I really really believe we can learn a lot from the way we treat the animals that are subject to us. Its not that they absolutely deserve better, its that WE should behave as those who ARE better.

I hope the vet and his assistant/assistants were compassionate and generous with affection with the poor dumb beast as he died.


45. Stephen Newell
May 28, 2006
9:44 PM

4ever4given:

I lived on a farm. We treated our animals with respect. Lin’s story doesn’t even capture the kind of attitude us country people have towards animals. That’s why I say this post is atrocious—it shows absolutely no respect for the animal God created.


46. Aileen Challies
May 29, 2006
11:12 AM

Thick skin and blogging go hand in hand, but frankly your comments Stephen, RoseMarie show very poor taste. How dare you judge my husband for his way of dealing with our pet having to be put down. I was closer to Tiazzi then Tim, and I could not go with him to have her put down. The vet and assistant at the clinic are wonderful and would have handled her so gently. It was one of the most difficult descions that we have had to make, and I spent time on the phone in tears talking through the options with the vet and the SPCA before we came to the conclusion that this was the best thing. Perhaps if she had bitten one of our children you would have felt better. We were deeply concerned that she was rapidly heading that way. Frankly I’m tired of so many of you criticizing Tim at every turn simply because you have nothing better to do. If you want to complain about his theology ect, please go ahead, but when he posts personal stories, stay out of it.


47. Brendt
May 29, 2006
1:27 PM

Tim (#37) wrote: This is why theologians don’t often write poetry. ;-)

Fair enough — that part was a little odd/cheesy. But for every point Piper loses for stuff like that, he gets 100 points for writing a poem that an ordinary person can understand. ;-) Perhaps we need more theologians writing poetry.


48. Brendt
May 29, 2006
1:38 PM

Thanks, Aileen — I think you spoke for many of us. I know that there’s a pretty low limit to which Tim will defend himself (out of humility). And it just seems a bit weird for one guy to defend another, sometimes. But you get spousal scolding privileges. ;-)

And, by the way, thanks in general for sharing Tim with us goofs out here in cyberspace.

I hope that new-mommy-hood is going well for you !


49. Lin
May 30, 2006
12:30 PM

I lived on a farm. We treated our animals with respect. Lin’s story doesn’t even capture the kind of attitude us country people have towards animals. That’s why I say this post is atrocious—it shows absolutely no respect for the animal God created.>>

I am so sorry my post offended you. It was not meant to at all. I guess I am confused how shooting a sick, suffering animal shows a lack of respect. I am sure my uncle did not have the money to have the animals injected…and it was the ‘70’s…before we became so animal oriented.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel when you read of the animal sacrifices in the OT? From my studying I believe they slit their necks. And, these were not old, lame animals but the best of the pack.

Sometimes, comments do not convey the sentiment behind a post so please know I do not ask the above in arrogance but in light of your previous post about respect for animals. I think we may define ‘respect’ differently. Thanks.


50. Stephen Newell
May 30, 2006
1:19 PM

Lin, you did not offend me at all. That comment was not addressed to you.

Aileen, I do apologize that my comment offended you. It was not my intention to offend. I do not generally disagree with Tim (rather, I tend to agree with him quite often), and as such was very surprised and appalled at his attitude towards your pet. I understand that you are angry, but please understand that no offense was intended on my part nor does any seem to be given on the part of the other commenter.

Dumb dog. Now she’s gotten us in trouble. ;-)


51. RoseMarie
May 30, 2006
2:38 PM

” Frankly I’m tired of so many of you criticizing Tim at every turn simply because you have nothing better to do. “

You mentioned me by name in your post and I think if you do a search on my name, I have done very very little criticizing in the past, much less post because I have nothing better to do. In fact, I seldom post here at all, no matter how often I read. I’m sorry you’re upset we don’t see eye to eye on the humane way to handle a beloved pets demise but it doesn’t seem as if we’re communicating in a way to reach an agreement. Its unfortunate but I accept that and in the future any distress I may feel over what I read (if I continue reading ), I’ll just take it to the Lord. He knows my heart, both to its peace and to its shame. Peace to you and your family.


52. Grant
June 5, 2006
3:32 PM

I have 3 dogs, and I know I will morn immensly when one of them goes. Like most people, I am extremely attached to my dogs, as they are to me. I am one who does in my heart believe that I will see my dogs in heaven, not just because I need that comfort zone after they are gone…, but because of logic.

God gave us dogs and cats (and other creatures of nature) to enhance the world we live in. In that, many many of us have become extremely attached to our dogs (or cats). Many of these pets are literally part of our family. They do everything with us, and bring us countless hours of joy, happiness and unconditional love.

Logic would dictate that these pets make us happy and joyful. Do you really think that as pleasent and happy a place like Heaven is, that God would have us exist in Heaven for an eternity… but in the back of our minds and hearts, longing and missing our pets, which He put on this earth and gave to us in the first place. Yes we would be in a euphoric place, but still in the back of our minds would be our faithful dogs or cats that we will never ever to hold or see again?

If Heaven is to be such a wonderful, and happy place, it would have most of the aspects “nature” including all of God’s creatures. I think there will be trees and flowers, birds and animals in Heaven. God took great work to create trees and animals on the earth, I would think He would have the same in Heaven. I don’t think Heaven is a barren place of nothing. I would be a beautiful and awe-inspiring place. Nature and God’s creatures will exist there.

Besides… I highly doubt that on the gates of Heaven is a sign hung with special care which says “Dogs not allowed!” :)