For Worship Leaders
It was about six years ago that Aileen and I first moved to Oakville. We realize now that we were backwards in our decision to move, for we moved first and looked for a church second. If, in the future, it becomes necessary that we move again, we will seek a church first and a house second. When we arrived in Oakville, we went searching for a God-glorifying church. Our search took us through several congregations. There were a few that seemed promising for a couple of weeks, but one after the other we determined that they were unsuitable. Some had very poor statements of faith and some seemed to care far more about adherence to programs and fads than adherence to God’s Word. Some were just plain weird. It was a frustrating time and one I hope we never to have to repeat.
At one point we spent several months in a church that we thought was one we could settle in. Though it was in a neighboring town and required a lengthy drive, we were growing desperate and were willing to drive almost any distance to be part of a God-glorifying church. We enjoyed the preaching at this particular church and immediately benefited from it. The worship was focused on God and was based primarily around songs that were theologically-sound. The worship leaders tended to give equal focus to traditional hymns and contemporary songs, a mix that we quite enjoyed. Eventually we found, though, that the church was distinctly unfriendly. This dawned on us one Sunday morning when, after attending for several months, it occurred to us that we did not really know anyone in the church and that nobody seemed to be making any effort in welcoming us. Around that time a new church began in our neighborhood, much closer to home. We became involved in this church and were there for the next five years.
There was one thing about that church (the one we attended for a couple of months) that continually bothered me. It seemed that, for some reason, the church placed a limit on the number of verses they would sing of any given hymn. The limit was three. Sometimes this was not a big deal. Other times it was a great frustration. One hymn that we sang quite often was “My Jesus, I love Thee.” This was clearly a hymn that was a favorite of the church. It is a favorite of mine, so I was always glad to sing it. But there was a problem. “My Jesus, I Love Thee” has four stanzas. And yet this church seemed to always adhere to that limit of three which meant that they would always remove one of the verses. The first time we sang it, they sang stanzas one, two and three. The next time they sang stanzas one, two and four. And that was the pattern they established.
Before I continue, allow me to provide you with the lyrics for this beautiful hymn:
My Jesus, I love Thee, I know Thou art mine;
For Thee all the follies of sin I resign.
My gracious Redeemer, my Savior art Thou;
If ever I loved Thee, my Jesus, ‘tis now.
I love Thee because Thou has first loved me,
And purchased my pardon on Calvary’s tree.
I love Thee for wearing the thorns on Thy brow;
If ever I loved Thee, my Jesus, ‘tis now.
I’ll love Thee in life, I will love Thee in death,
And praise Thee as long as Thou lendest me breath;
And say when the death dew lies cold on my brow,
If ever I loved Thee, my Jesus, ‘tis now.
In mansions of glory and endless delight,
I’ll ever adore Thee in heaven so bright;
I’ll sing with the glittering crown on my brow;
If ever I loved Thee, my Jesus, ‘tis now.
As I’m sure you’ve noticed, this hymn shows a clear progression from verse one to four. It begins at conversion (“for Thee all the follies of sin I resign”), looks back to redemption (“purchased my pardon on Calvary’s tree”), looks forward to persevering in the faith (“praise Thee as long as Thou lendest me breath”) and finishes with glorification (“I’ll ever adore Thee in heaven so bright”). To eliminate any one of the verses is to eliminate much of the power and even the purpose of the hymn. It is to tear the hymn’s heart out. It was an ongoing frustration that they would not allow us to sing the complete hymn and thus rejoice in God’s complete work.
Paul Jones has noticed this phenomenon as well. In his book Singing and Making Music he writes, “On occasion I have witnessed a pastor or song leader in the context of worship say something like this: “Let’s all stand and sing ‘Come, Thou Almighty King,’ and we’ll do verses 1 and 3.” In so doing, he has failed to notice that the hymn is a hymn to the Trinity (in spite of the fact that this text is usually sun go the tune TRINITY…and that it clearly outlines praise to the triune God in its stanzas.” He goes on, “It might make some sense to sing the fourth stanza alone, since the doctrine remains intact, but hymns should normally be sung in their entirety. By omitting the second stanza, one leaves God the Son out of the picture, misses the point of the Trinitarian hymn, and unwittingly perpetuates incomplete, heretical doctrine. A bit of planning with forethought and a read-through of the hymn’s text would prevent such an error. Moreover, it might occasion an appropriate comment to alert the congregation to what it was about to sing.” Now it may be overstating things to say that a worship leader may perpetuate heresy in eliminating a stanza, but I think Jones’ point stands. Hymns were meant to be sung in their entirety. Of course, this is not always possible. Some hymn-writers tended to be a little bit long-winded and it is not always practical to sing fifteen or twenty stanzas of a song. But even when a song extends through many verses, I believe that some careful planning by the worship director could choose verses that would not leave out doctrine that is critical to the song’s purpose.
Amazing Grace is an example of song that is sung only in part. Traditionally, churches sing four verses, but unbeknownest to many, Newton actually wrote seven stanzas. Still, the heart of the hymn is provided in the four verses we most commonly sing and we do not lose a lot in eliminating the remaining three. So it can be done.
And so I suppose I am writing today to ask worship leaders to exercise care in choosing songs. Too often a critical portion of a song is eliminated for the sake of brevity. Too often scheduling takes priority over theology.




Comments (32) »
1. H. A. Scott III
June 19, 2006
9:59 AM
Tim:
Thank you for an excellent post. I have been a pastor for almost twenty-five years, and I have observed the scenes you describe. Please allow me to comment upon two:
Friendliness: I think that many churches think that they are friendly, and may appear to be friendly, when in reality they are only friendly to church members (each other). They need to be encouraged and led to show the love of Christ in friendliness, and friendship, to newcomers. This requires commitment and effort on the part of pastor and people.
Hymns and verses: You are right on target here. It has long been a problem in a number of churches, and it may be getting worse. Hymns offer praise to God, and they teach who God is, the truth of His Word, etc. Although not “inspired”, there is a reason the writer wrote four stanzas! (Or five or six!) I agree that while we cannot always sing all of the verses (a la Newton, or Watts, et al), we can and should sing the “whole story.”
We appreciate you and your ministry. Keep up the good work!
H. A.
2. david
June 19, 2006
10:17 AM
Right you are. Isn’t it amazing that we can sing some flakey chorus repetitiously, but can’t sing four or five different stanzas of a hymn?
3. Kim K.
June 19, 2006
10:32 AM
‘Moreover, it might occasion an appropriate comment to alert the congregation to what it was about to sing.”
Couldn’t agree more. Our worship leader calls us to worship by chiding us to WAKE UP, and then announces a song with no proper introduction. But then, I’m afraid all he’s after is promoting the right kind of atmosphere - praise-y - and the lyrics are secondary.
4. marc
June 19, 2006
10:41 AM
Tim, Thanks for your thoughts on this. Let me say from experience that no matter what a worship leader does, someone will always come up and ask why didn’t you do it the opposite way. If you sing 6 stanza’s someone will come up and wonder why you sang so many verses. If you cut one, someone will come up and say “Oh that was my favorite verse, why didn’t we sing it”? Ahh humans :-)
And sadly, time, (brevity is the word you used) is a consideration that has to be dealt with. It would be nice to not be forced to cut things down, but we have up to 3 services on a Sunday morning. There are schedules to meet and nursery workers waiting for folks to get out of the service so they can get to the next service etc.
Is it ideal, is it the best way to do church? That’s a different question, but time plays a role. Even Pastor John Piper has to cut his sermon down to a certain time frame. Is he sacrificing theology for brevity? I wish he could preach longer, and frequently the last service of the day get a bit longer version of the sermon. And yes, I think this busy sunday morning schedule does tend to hurt fellowship and friendliness to visitors.
All of this is part and parcel of doing “church” in our commuter, consumer culture. I’m not saying its right or the best way. Certainly, some of your concerns might drive folks to figure out a way to worship corporately where time isn’t as much of a factor. In fact its happened and is happening in some churches.
As to your admonition to worship leaders about using care in choosing songs… if one isn’t using care they shouldn’t be a worship leader at all.
5. James
June 19, 2006
11:28 AM
Tim:
These same issues have driven me for some time. As a former worship leader, I made it my business to not only set the mood and atmosphere for the worship service, but also to make sure the worship was theologically correct.
This was, however, in a church with only one service. I can not agree with you more on the issue of worship leaders using the goldmine of true praise and overall truth that is contained in hymns. And David hit upon a great point that in many “contemporary worship services” simple choruses are sung with no real Christ centered value.
I think the true issue here is the “time” factor. The church has become a “service factory”, how fast can we create, execute and turn around a service. In my opinion it is the leadership of churches that need to address this time issue. We need to get back to a place where we go to church as our act of service to God, instead of going expecting to be served, and if more churches conducted services for this purpose instead of entertainment I think the friendliness factor would soon be solved.
I understand society’s preoccupation with schedule and time, but as a body of Christ we must get back to where worshiping Him is the most important thing on our agenda.
Thanks for bringing one of the most important problems in the church out to be discussed.
6. Stephen Wylie-Young
June 19, 2006
11:39 AM
Tim - Thoughtfulness and discernment are indeed important - thank you. On a related matter, I hear this term “worship leader” used a lot but I’m not sure exactly what to make of it. I think I know what you mean but it’s not a term/role/office that I’ve come across in the NT and I suspect it’s a fairly recent innovation in terms of function. Also, isn’t everything that we do when we meet corporately an act of worship (prayer, preaching, tithes/offerings)?
7. Peter R.
June 19, 2006
12:05 PM
Good post. It seems like an obvious concept, but I’ve attended and played in many churches where the songs are literally picked out five minutes before the service starts. Personally, I’ve found that people in my church have a much better experience on Sunday morning when we plan the music to fit in with the Scripture passage being preached on, so that the service is a coherent thought rather than a random collection of ideas.
Regarding the worship/music/song/service leader/minister/pastor terminology: Stephen, if you figure something out that doesn’t offend SOMEONE, let me know first, ok?
8. Jeri
June 19, 2006
12:14 PM
Well, if you have to cut things down for brevity, you could cut out a song to make time to sing all the verses necessary to make the hymn complete! Don’t you think it would be better to sing fewer songs well than feel that you have to fit in so many.
Marc’s point about the best way to do church applies to our corporate singing and many other facets. Do you think revival or persecution might cause us to come together as the church much closer to the way they did in Paul’s day, relishing every wonderful verse of every wonderful hymn!
9. Susan
June 19, 2006
2:34 PM
Tim - AMEN!
You have made some EXCELLENT POINTS.
Re: Finding a church My family has gone through the same issue of looking for a solid church each time after a move. Like you, we have been willing to drive long distances to attend one. And, it becomes even more important when children come.
Re: Music in the church In some churches songs are just rushed through with barely time to catch your breath between verses. I too agree that “the whole story” should be sung. WHY was the writer moved to use the wording to express what he or she did? WHAT was on his or her heart? Does it show “man’s weakness”, but GOD’S STRENGTH and DELIVERANCE? Does it show GOD’S FAITHFULNESS just as He promises in His Word?
Does it help us to REFOCUS and remember WHOSE WE ARE? SINNERS, BOUGHT WITH A PRICE WE CAN NEVER REPAY.
WE ARE LOVED BY A MERCIFUL GOD. BEING SHAPED BY A FAITHFUL GOD THROUGH THE JOYFUL TIMES AND THE PAINFUL ONES TOO!
10. Bruce Proctor
June 19, 2006
2:45 PM
Tim:
This is my first time in commenting on your blog, so first, thank you for the many good posts including this one.
Believing that good worship music is God-centered, I try to evaluate worship songs with that criteria.
While, I have loved this hymn over the years, it dawned upon me when reading the lyrics on your post, that the pronoun “I” occured so often. Also, the worshipper is the subject of most of the verbs.
I have led my church to discontinue using some other contemporary songs and hymns for this reason.
Am I just overdoing it? I would welcome any comments.
Thanks
11. Carly Staley
June 19, 2006
2:57 PM
Hi Bruce; I hope you don’t mind me commenting on your question. I have heard people say this a few times— that the use of “I” or “me” makes the song automatically man-centered. But I don’t think this is always the case. Sometimes, it is necessary to use those words if we are to express the goodness of God and the wonders He has done. For example, read over Psalm 23, which has been turned into a hymn:
1 The Lord is MY shepherd, I shall not want. 2 He makes ME lie down in green pastures. He leads ME beside still waters. 3 He restores MY soul. He leads ME in paths of righteousness for His name’s sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with ME; your rod and your staff, they comfort ME. 5 You prepare a table before ME in the presence of MY enemies; you anoint MY head with oil; MY cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow ME all the days of MY life, and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever.
I definitely agree that these types of words CAN mean that the song is man-centered and not God-centered; my point is simply that it’s not ALWAYS true ;).
12. Tim H.
June 19, 2006
3:34 PM
Good post. I agree. On a technical note, I think Newton wrote 6 verses to amazing grace and ” When we’ve been there ten thousand years” (my favorite verse!!) was later added. I wish all 7 verses were sung more often. It seems that Newton’s first 3 plus the added one are usually the ones sung.
13. Jim Duval
June 19, 2006
4:05 PM
Tim, I have been meaning to write to you for some time since we are not only both “Canucks”, but you are in an area that I know very well having grown up in Hamilton, worked in Toronto and lived in Burlington, and worked in Oakville. I’d be interested to know just what church you ultimately settled on since I am familiar with most of them in your area. The problem that you mention is one that many evangelicals contend with on a regular basis. Choruses, often with no meaning whatsoever, can be sung a large number of times, and yet God glorifying hymns are often pared down for no apparent reason. One more thing, does the church that you attend now hold to the doctrines of grace? I would really be interested in knowing this. Perhaps I could get my brother to attend some time since he also lives in Oakville. In Christ, J.D.
14. Jeremiah
June 19, 2006
5:03 PM
Tim, great insight! Maybe mine can take the cake- at our previous church on two occasions we sang ONLY the opening verse of ?A Mighty Fortress is Our God.? Yep, that?s right. We would end the song triumphantly in this manner:
For still our ancient foe Doth seek to work us woe; His craft and power are great, And armed with cruel hate, On earth is not his equal!
The saddest thing was that there were only a handful of people who actually realized that it seemed odd to end the song by extolling the powers of Satan!
Jeremiah
15. jo
June 19, 2006
6:07 PM
< If, in the future, it becomes necessary that we move again, we will seek a church first and a house second. >
This can be very impractical. We are considering a move across country-how would you suggest we find a church before moving? We thought we had found a church last fall (after looking 15 years) here in this area but that hasn’t turned out to be the case. It often takes months to find a church-you really can’t find one before moving unless you are familiar with one ahead of time. And I mean REALLY familiar with it. I often ask myself, “what are the requirements of a good church anyway?” We just can’t seem to find one long term.
16. Carly Staley
June 19, 2006
6:14 PM
Jo: 9marks.org
Hope that’s some help to you.
17. Frank Martens
June 19, 2006
6:17 PM
I feel ya on trying to find a good church.
I’m having the same problem after leaving a Warren-type church. I’ve found one church, but it’s a good 40 minute drive from my house.
18. James
June 19, 2006
6:31 PM
I have never been beyond calling the senior pastor of a church and really drilling him or her about their fellowship.
This will accomplish several things. 1. If the pastor is willing to take the time to take to you, someone they really don’t know, it could be a good sign that they will make time for later when you need it. 2. Most of the time, but not always, the attitude of the pastor will be representative of the prevalent attitude in the church.
So many times we look to friends or family to find out about a church, I think we just have to ask. Ultimately you just have to go and see for yourself. I have been to great churches that just did not suit me and my family for what ever reason.
19. Brendt
June 19, 2006
11:17 PM
Mark Lowry used to say that there were two things that he’d never want to be in a Baptist church: the third stanza of a hymn or the front pew. ;-)
20. marc
June 19, 2006
11:34 PM
Brendt that’s pretty funny, are you sure Mark Lowry said that?
21. dcypl
June 20, 2006
12:03 AM
The few hymns we have left in our playlists are the ones that have survived years of culling. I guess they should be treated with respect from this and to the composers and authors of the hymns.
As long as in two centuries time Christian’s aren’t singing the praise chorus 15 times out of reverence to the “traditional” style.
22. DLE
June 20, 2006
12:51 AM
We’re too beholden to the almighty clock. I think a lot of us American Christians should go to a church in the Third World and see how unimportant time really is.
Do we Jesus Christ or Patek Philippe?
23. DLE
June 20, 2006
12:58 AM
Sorry, that’s “Do we serve Jesus Christ or Patek Philippe?”
24. 4ever4given
June 20, 2006
9:07 AM
The reason why my husband decided to practice medicine where we are is because of the intense church research we did before we moved. We learned to make that a top priority the hard way.
This is another well written article.
And Mr. Challies, in light of all your hard work I think people need to be made aware of your little yellow “Amazon book wishlist” box below here.
Do me a HUGE favour and get this man more books off his wishlist!!! He does us a great service by reviewing these books and writing thought provoking, God-honoring articles. (Well, still mulling over that Driscoll post… :-)
25. Travis Seitler
June 20, 2006
10:43 AM
Tim,
“Amazing Grace is an example of song that is sung only in part. Traditionally, churches sing four verses, but unbeknownest to many, Newton actually wrote seven stanzas.”
No fair! If you’re going to drop a bomb like that, the least you could do is throw in a quick link to confirm it! ;)
Excellent post, and I like Brendt’s (alleged) Mark Lowry quote, too.
26. James
June 20, 2006
12:27 PM
You can see my post called Open Space relating to this at Revived Writings
27. James
June 20, 2006
12:29 PM
My appologies Tim, The above post was meant for your Highway 5 post.
28. matthew
June 20, 2006
5:44 PM
I really enjoyed this post. We havIth) you have to do the church search pretty often. Your point about friendliness is very true. Much of your readership would disagree with me on this, but I think “God honoring” means more than JUST the statement of faith, preaching, and corporate theology. Would God be honored by a church where everyone knew and assented to the 1689LBCF yet never welcomed strangers?
I used to think it was something about reformed churches - - too cerebral, or something. Lately I’ve been thinking that in a collection of fallen human beings (like a local church congregation) you can only get so “correct” or “right” or “good” and so I’m really asking too much to get nice AND right.
As for the hymns- I think the most neglected creatures in the world are 3rd stanzas in (southern) baptist hymnals. It’s always the 1st, 2nd, and 4th that we sing.
29. Kyle
June 21, 2006
1:52 AM
Another disadvantage is that many hymnals themselves have dropped key verses. It’s hard for a church to sing the missing verses if they don’t know they’re there.
30. donsands
June 21, 2006
10:57 AM
“Too often a critical portion of a song is eliminated”
My pastor purposely eliminated a word from a song we sing in our church. I wanted to eliminate the whole song, but he settled on changing the word “thought” for the word “died” in the song , “Above All”. I wonder, is it right to do this to someone’s lyric’s?
It did cause a theological discussion, which was good.
31. dan mcgowan
June 24, 2006
10:47 AM
I have been a Christian/church musician/worship leader/music director for about 30+ years. I started during the middle/end of the Jesus Movement - which means, I’ve been around the block a few times on this issue and have seen and experienced just about everything one can imagine.
I want to state that the tone of this post, while excellent in content, as well as the tone of most of the replies, also, very excellent in their articulation, seems to be bent towards the huge responsibility that must be realized and exercised by those who LEAD us in worship. Of course, this is true. We who lead ARE responsible for WHAT and HOW we lead others in our congregation.
However, the Bible is ALSO quite clear that the worship of God is not REALLY the SOLE responsibility of those who lead us. Bottom line - it is MY responsibility as a follower of Christ to CHOOSE to worship Him. This is true even when only 3 verses of a 4-verse hymn are sung, or when one chorus with 3 words is sung 286 times in a row! The bottom line is - AM I TRULY CHOOSING TO WORSHIP GOD or, as is usually the case, and as I read between the lines in some of these posts - - AM I BEING CRITICAL OF THE MEANS BEING USED TO WORSHIP GOD?
If those means truly are DISPLEASING to the Lord, then fine - cite them and feel good in your choice to cite them. However, do we REALLY know if God is DISPLEASED if the music leader only sings 3 of the 4 verses? Do we REALLY know if God is NOT HAPPY or BORED when we sing a simple praise chorus 3 times in a row?
The answer is, “no, we don’t really know.” And we’d be better off letting GOD judge that…
Rather than focus on the MEANS of HOW we worship, let’s try to shift our focus - and simply CHOOSE to worship God - regardless of what is taking place on the platform, assuming it is not heretical or blasphemous, etc.
32. Drew
June 26, 2006
10:50 AM
Don: It’s actually preferred to ask the songwriter for performance changes. And it is actually against copyright to change the lyric in print. I’ve changed songs in anthems and choruses before, and the author is usually ok with it if you ask nicely. I usually explain my reason without chiding them. But they regularly ask that we would not record the edited version.
I often drop a verse in a song if it does not directly speak to the point of the message that Sunday. It’s a way to help our congregation focus, and many hymns slide around thematically (given examples excluded among others). I don’t feel bad about it. But there is a need to help our congregations sing multiple verses without “checking out.” I’m wrestling with musical ideas to help our folks get through 5 verses of a great hymn without losing the focus or their attention. (I know, in the ideal church, they wouldn’t need help. Christ ought to be sufficient to hold their hearts and minds for the whole time. But that’s a lot of what I am - as much of of a worship assistant as a worship leader.)