Loving the Sinner More than the Sinner Loves His Sin
In the book Sex and the Supremacy of Christ, Al Mohler has written a chapter entitled “Homosexual Marriage as a Challenge to the Church: Biblical and Cultural Reflections.” He provides seven useful principles that can serve as a framework for a Christian response to the issue of homosexual marriage. They are:
- We, as Christians, must be the people who cannot start a conversation about homosexual marriage by talking about homosexual marriage.
- We must be the people who cannot ever talk about sex without talking about marriage.
- We must be the people who cannot talk about anything of significance without acknowledging our absolute dependence on God’s revelation - the Bible.
- We must be the people with a theology adequate to explain the deadly deception of sexual sin.
- We must be the people with a theology adequate to explain Christ’s victory over sin.
- We must be the people who love homosexuals more than homosexuals love homosexuality.
- We must be the people who tell the truth about homosexual marriage, and thus refuse to accept even its possibility because we love and seek the glory of God for all.
As part of his third point, Mohler writes about the “yuck factor” that exists in the minds of many Christians and serves as their attempt to deal with homosexuality. Yuck factor is a term that I believe was first coined by C. Gerald Fraser in the early 80’s. It refers to “A revulsion or discomfort that influences a person’s attitude toward a thing or idea.” In other words, and to use Mohler’s definition, “it is an attitude of disgust that lacks any serious moral argument” (page 116).
I am convinced that the “yuck factor” towards homosexuality comes quite naturally to men (and boys). I think all men can remember their school days and think back of times when we expressed disgust at homosexuality. The very thought of what homosexuals do and celebrate brings boys to express the worst insults by implying these acts. It is possible that this shows some cultural conditioning, but I believe boys react naturally at the thought of men doing together what God designed for only man and woman to share (just as we feel natural revulsion to something as unnatural as death). After all, the union of man to woman is part of the perfect Creation ordinance and one that God has surely written on our hearts. Paul tells us as much in Romans 1.
Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
God will give people up to passions that are in no way natural. What a warning this is to us.
Back in the days before I began my own company and started working from home, I worked at an office (with other people). I became friends with Scott, a practicing homosexual. He was known around the office as “Scott the Fag,” a moniker he used of himself. His story was probably quite typical. He had grown up in a weak church, came from a broken family, and up until university had chased (and often caught) girls. But during college he began to be attracted to men and soon became a practicing homosexual. He marched down the streets of Toronto on Gay Pride Day and brought boyfriends to office parties. He was proud of his lifestyle.
I would often talk to him and ask him pointed questions about his lifestyle. I asked if it was true that homosexual relationships bred abuse, and he felt that was true. I asked if it was realistic that the average homosexual man had twenty or thirty or even more sexual partners in a year, and he felt that if anything those numbers might be a little low. He told me about practicing a lisp and teaching himself how to walk like a woman in front of a mirror in his room. He was quite willing to admit to me that there was nothing inherently natural about the homosexual lifestyle. He knew this, but as humans are prone to do, justified his behavior as freedom of choice. At times I cannot deny that I felt some of the “yuck factor” towards him. When he and his boyfriend took to the dance floor, swirling across the floor, cheek-to-cheek during the ballads, it was more than a little difficult to feel normal about it. When he boasted about the fun he had during Pride Week, I had to walk away (though I walked away from many co-workers talking about their heterosexual exploits as well).
I found, as has Mohler, that while the “yuck factor” may be instructive, it cannot be trusted as a moral argument. Though we should not simply ignore our immediate reactions, we also cannot place too much emphasis on them. We must note that “human beings have demonstrated time and again that we can overcome any amount of disgust if we are determined to rationalize behavior.” We are masters of rationalization, able to turn anything to our advantage. I’m sure that as a child Scott found homosexuals just as yucky as the average boy. But as he gave himself over to sin, and even more so as God gave him over to sin, he began to rationalize it all away. We should also note that before the believer has been regenerated, he harbors the same “yucky” attitude towards God. The unregenerate man, in his heart of hearts, feels the same was towards God as young boys feel towards homosexuals.
As Christians it will be most helpful to keep the “yuck factor” to ourselves. I do not know that we gain anything in our conversations with and about homosexuals by expressing our disgust towards their actions. We can always plead “love the sinner, hate the sin,” but this falls flat when we can barely look in their eyes because of the disgust we feel for what they do. The “yuck factor” is not consistent as a moral argument. We must dig deeper than that.
It is most instructive to heed Mohler’s advice and to love the homosexual more than the homosexual loves his homosexuality. Do note that we can show love and grace to the homosexual while still hating and condemning homosexuality. All sin is dark and disgusting in the eyes of God. We often do things that are vile before the eyes of a perfectly holy God. He could as easily avert His gaze from us in His disgust. But we know that when we were at our most vile, He came to us and loved us more than we loved our sin. As Charles Spurgeon once said, “God is infinitely more willing to forgive your sin than you are to commit it.” Similarly, God is infinitely more willing to love us despite our sin, than we are to continually pollute ourselves with it. Should we not show the same grace to others?




Comments (27) »
1. David Porter
March 17, 2008
10:34 AM
I enjoyed your article. I feel convicted on one thing. I have never expressed my concern for the sin in those that I know that are homosexual.
I love them. I don’t agree with their lifestyle and believe it to be one of many sins that someone could involve themselves in.
Heretofore, I have never had the courage to say the second part! I also believe that my lack of courage to confront the sin, not the sinner, belies an acceptance of the sin on my part in the eyes of the sinner.
I am going to the Lord immediately to seek forgiveness on this issue and seek wisdom, love and courage from the Holy Spirit the next time the opportunity presents itself to show the love of Christ in this situation.
2. GUNNY HARTMAN
March 17, 2008
10:52 AM
The title alone was worth a look at this post. Of course, the content did not disappoint.
3. DrLiz
March 17, 2008
12:09 PM
One of the biggest problems with the “yuck factor” is that it is full of pride. As in, “that’s such a gross sin, I would never do something that gross (or horrible or evil).” We react similarly to descriptions of serial killers or the attrocities of the Nazis. But Satan uses this sinful pride as a back door to worm his way into our hearts and minds (and remember how pride goes before that fall!). As long as we are not as bad as someone else, we can justify all sorts of sins along that slippery slope - that’s the deception of our hearts when inclined to sin!
4. the cutting truth
March 17, 2008
1:45 PM
I know you were only using Al Mohler’s seven principles as a springboard to discuss the “yuck” factor, but pardon me if I share a few thoughts’ on Al Mohler’s seven principles.
They are idealistic to the point of nausea, and impractical to the point of comedy. If this were a kiddies’ Sunday School class, Mohler would no doubt be getting an A+ and a lollipop reward. But it is quite obvious that Mohler has never had real interaction with the gay community. He might have a few token previously-gay converts he trumpets around, but I seriously doubt he has real discourse with the LGB community. His principles, while theologically exact, are otherwise obtuse in the practical real world. No. 6, inter alia, is especially laughable and betrays a denial of the extent to which gays simply love being gay. I think this list - written by a renowned leader to the praise of many Christians - speaks volumes about how ineffective and santimonious the church is in reaching out to the LGB community
By the way, in case you were wondering, I am a red-blooded Christian husband who loves and celebrates his heterosexuality and who personally believes that homosexuality is a sin. But I write because I found Mohler’s “seven useful principles” to be so “yucky.”
5. Mase
March 17, 2008
2:26 PM
“His principles, while theologically exact, are otherwise obtuse in the practical real world.”
I was under the impression exact theology is the practical real world.
6. Richard
March 17, 2008
2:29 PM
I agree the church has been ineffectual in reaching homosexuals. Jesus Christ came to express God’s love and grace toward us, even while we were yet sinners.
You did not touch upon the “yuck factor” for those whom God has chosen to save from the sin of homosexuality. Ever wondered if your church has Christians who struggle with homosexuality? If so, ever wonder why they never ask for help?
I am a Christian who struggles with homosexual temptations. Sexually abused at an early age, I simply believed the lie that I was “born that way.” And, homosexual activity characterized the first 30 years of my life. All that time, I knew well the darkness of a most vile lifestyle.
Providentially, God seeks those who will worship Him in spirit and truth; and, in early 1985, the Lord revealed Himself to me and called me. It is quite an indescribable gift.
Four years after becoming a Christian, I felt led to reveal my homosexual past to my pastor and another counselor. Unfortunately, and contrary to Scripture, I was counseled to never speak of my past or these desires again. Then, for twenty-four years, I walked isolated in the shadows of the church. I feared I would be condemned and rejected by other Christians if I told anyone. A recent survey of evangelical youth showed a vast majority thought the church was “anti-homosexual.” Thus, the disgust, perhaps even the condemnation, is apparent even to the young.
Early last year, I felt compelled to reveal my past and ongoing struggle with elders of my church. I needed others to pray for me and share my burden. I needed a shepherd for my soul. Over six months, no came to me to pray or ask about my struggle; and, I sought Biblical counseling and fellowship elsewhere.
The origin of homosexuality is we are all born sinners and some choose to idolize ourselves and rebel against God with a most depraved sexual sin. Homosexuality is a sin against God born from the same heart that generates pride, envy, disobedience to parents, lack of forgiveness, gossip and many other sins.
The only hope for homosexuals is Jesus Christ and His church … to know God and know who we are in Christ Jesus.
By God’s grace and power and providence, I have remained celibate for the past 27 years after He called me to His Son Jesus. And, by His grace and power and providence, I shall never again practice homosexuality. Commitment to live a holy life begets an intense, painful daily battle with indwelling sin.
The true church never compromises the purity and holiness and righteousness of God; and, will never fail to compromise, nor fail to proclaim, the grace and forgiveness of God through Jesus Christ our Savior. This church should surround homosexuals with others … all sinners … struggling in the upward calling of God in Jesus Christ.
Ever wonder when the evangelical church en mass will stop using social-political and moral arguments against homosexuality and starts preaching the Gospel: Jesus Christ came to seek and save the lost?
To Him who loves you and me, and releases us from our sins by His blood, and has made us to be a kingdom … . to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever,
Richard
7. ReformedMommy
March 17, 2008
2:31 PM
Such a good word, Tim. This is why Romans 5:8 has become one of my most treasured verses - the One who was most extremely sinned against did the most extreme thing imaginable to purchase forigveness and redemption for me and anyone else who asks. How can we do any less?
8. Rick
March 17, 2008
2:37 PM
Speaking for myself here, and speaking in support of Tim’s article (scathingly good job, man!), I would say that Mohler is right on the money about the “yuck factor.” I remember that, from my non-Christian years in middle school, I had no concern for putting down homosexuals with swear words that would make a sailor proud. (How could a middle school kid talk like that? Funny how kids pick up the darnedest things watching TV.) But I was also picked on by a bully who seemed to exhibit sodomist tendencies, and I immediately ratted him out as a beast in front of the school teacher and the other boys. So I had no problems dishing out the scorn of sinful behavior toward homosexuals, but when picked on by a homosexual bully, I folded like a chair. A Pharisee and an antinominan, in one neatly wrapped blasphemous package. The yuck factor personified.
What was ironic was that I developed very liberal tendencies toward sin as I got older and actually approved the presence of homosexuality in culture. But that irony should be very understandable: I always thought of myself as a good boy, never doing anything wrong. (That made a great foundation for me to become an atheist, among other things.) And in my chasing of girls throughout my school years apart from the Lord, I saw no harm in accepting homosexuals as good people, thinking to myself, “Oh, they have to be accepted, too.” Pharisees make the best pro sodomists - and the best hypocrites.
Knowing the Gospel as my foundation of new life in the present day with the Lord, I wish I could talk to that kid about how Pharisaic I was toward him, and how the only hope for sinners who lean toward normal sexuality or toward crooked sexuality is the active obedience of Christ in the testimony of Scripture. I know with the Lord that I have no moral goodness in my flesh whatsoever; it is the reality of my flesh inherited from Adam and Eve. But I also know with the Lord that He has provided a whole new beginning in His Son Jesus for His believers, in the gift of new birth in Jesus, and Jesus’ perfect obedience all the way to the cross, an obedience that still speaks for believers today. That is the great foundation for justification by faith alone. I would wholeheartedly voice J. Gresham Machen when I say: I am so thankful for the active obedience of Christ - no hope with it.
And I also know with the Lord that many parents - even church parents - struggle with what to tell their own children about sexual ethics, let alone how to present the Gospel to a community, the homosexual community, that they are not presuppositionally inclined to talk to. I would tell the parents that it’s okay to be honest with your kids about your struggles with your images as men and women, in talking about Jesus’ obedience as the perfect substitute for your fallen obedience. I would also tell them that justifying faith in Christ provides a great context for talking about sexual ethics with their children, and with homosexuals - about how sexual immorality, both heterosexual and homosexual, displeases God, and yet we can put away our sexual sins and trust in Jesus alone, knowing that through Jesus’ death and resurrection on our behalf, we can call God “Abba, Father.” And I would tell parents to confess with the Lord and with each other that their parental sexual sin is the forerunner to their children’s future sexual sin. A very dark underbelly of Western culture is that homosexuality is strongly linked with child abuse. And it usually starts with the parents. (And we must remind ourselves in the occasional argument for traditional marriage that our Christian forebears were not nearly as ideal with their marriages as we would think; they had real struggles as husbands and wives, too. We can learn from their struggles for being open and honest about our own struggles in face to face communion with God our Father.)
We are not as good as we think. But Jesus knows that; He died perfectly on the cross for drastically imperfect sinners, reconciling them to God the Father. This should be seen as the great foundation for reconciling personal image, and sexual behavior, to new covenant relationship with the Heavenly Father. But it should also be seen as the great foundation for reaching out in mercy ministry of the Gospel with the Lord onto lost and image-shattered homosexuals.
9. Rick
March 17, 2008
3:11 PM
Actually, I should add the proverbial post-it note over one erroneous line to my last comment: instead of “parents - even church parents” it should be “church parents.” I got a little cute with the typing. My apologies. (Not that Tim needs another comment from me; thanks be to the Lord for His provision of humble brothers in the image of His Son Jesus!)
10. David
March 17, 2008
3:35 PM
Tim,
I appreciate reading your blog because I find it very instructive to listen to and understand those with whom you disagree (and I say this about many things, as I am moving theologically more toward the corner occupied by the ilk of NT Wright, and further from Reformed doctrines propounded by Piper and the like). I hope my comment here will be equally instructive and, hopefully, respectful.
I first would like to take a quick look at Mohler’s 7 points about homosexuality. Points 2 through 5 I would agree with very much, and this leads me to the realization that the only points addressing homosexuality per se are 1, 6, and 7. Thus I find the “7 points” somewhat misleading, as they are more the “3 points” intermingled with 4 points of general Christian ethics.
And I say this as a homosexual follower of Jesus, a bit of contextual information important to note. Before I move on from Mohler’s points, I have to scratch my head at #6 a bit, “loving homosexuals more than [they] love homosexuality”. I must confess I do not know what it means to love homosexuality. Although I may take an extreme existential viewpoint of it, even though I am gay I do not love homosexuality any more than I love Caucasian-ness, middle-class stature, tallness, being analytical, or anything else which comprises my personal composition. Mohler assumes homosexuals have a love of homosexuality per se, and comes in against it, but it is an assumption which I think in most cases falls flat on its face; most homosexuals I am aware of love homosexuality no more or less than most heterosexuals love heterosexuality, and in that sense, I fear far too much for both camps.
The story about your coworker Scott is very tragic. However, I caution you against taking his experience to be universal of homosexual persons in general, and it is in no wise (again, in my experience - and my guess is I know a few more “out” gays and lesbians than do you) “typical”. My story, for example, is that I grew up in what you would call a strong church with a very Reformed youth group, had an idyllic family consisting of my always-faithful parents (who just celebrated their 38th anniversary) and my younger sister. I never was interested in or pursued any girls as I was aware from puberty that they were not attractive to me, and boys were. I have never had a lisp or tried to have one, and walk in what I think is a fairly masculine way, though to be honest I have never paid it much attention. I was in Seattle for the past summer, and during Pride week rather than attending the gaudy and rather offensive parades I was at my (very Presbyterian) church’s barbecue event. I am committed now as I have always been to sexual chastity (abstinence) and am hoping and planning to share myself physically one day with one (1) person - though that person would be a man.
I do not write this story to try to convince you otherwise of your convictions concerning the moral rightness or wrongness of homosexual intercourse. Such would require a far longer comment than this already is, and I do not feel this is as important of an issue as it has been made out to be (I wonder how many Christians can state their prima facie reasons for being against homosexuality, but do not know the Nicene or Apostle’s Creed or the foundations of orthodoxy!). Furthermore I know what the likelihood of me convincing anyone of something they feel strongly about is, and find such attempts tiresome and rather pointless. But I do write these things because mine is a story far more common than you might suppose, and I want to give personal credence to the flat statement (advanced by psychological research, and not in small part bearing the current decision of the APA) that homosexuals are no more or less likely than anyone else to have family trauma in their history. And your conclusion based on the experience of knowing one gay person that his story is “typical” is ill-founded. Sex addiction, and the elevation of the pursuit of sexual pleasure to the place of highest possible personal good, is always an evil and a personal disaster in whatever way it is pursued: through assimilation into a sex-absorbed culture or through seeking out the next sexual exploit, serial monogamy, etc. To condemn homosexuality as such, you must disengage it from the (rather arbitrary) baggage of sexual addiction and childish stereotypes. I say this not denying that the gay community has problems in these areas (much as the black community has problems with other matters), but to say that these are not inherent in homosexuality, just as problems in the black community are not inherent in racial difference. The conflation of these things, and the reduction of the gay person to a flat and dysfunctional caricature, do neither you nor your cause any good.
Happy Holy Week,
11. David
March 17, 2008
3:44 PM
With my tail between my legs, I correct my glaring (to me) math error on the previous post: my parents celebrated their 28th anniversary. And I call myself a computer scientist…
-David
12. ron
March 17, 2008
4:35 PM
David,
I appreciate your story, but as much as the church has may have erred in how it historically has dealt with the issue of homosexuality, you have erred in reaching a point of determining your right to have a biblically acceptable monogamous homosexual relationship.
A trapping that I’ve seen on this (and other issues contrary to biblical teaching) is that you write with eloquence, and appeal to a very innate sense that the deepest feelings we have of love towards another must confirm that scriptural condemnation of homosexuality is either misinterpreted or wrong altogether.
I have a friend who has struggled terribly with homosexuality. I have sat in a small group with him and we have cried and prayed together about the overwhelming emotions he has towards men, and what he clearly understands cannot be acted out on as it is clearly a sin in scripture.
The primary thing I’ve learned from my friend, whom I hold as one of the finest examples of a Christian fighting the battle that this broken world and the flesh wage on us, is that there is no guarantee happiness is to be gained by succumbing to the feelings of a body which scripture declares to be warring with the spirit.
Regardless of the type and source, no sin is to be excused. Eloquence and appeals to affirm sin based on compassion will never change the words God has given us.
I will love you as a person, but I will never stand quietly by as you and others in the church attempt to passionately mislead us to approval of disobediance.
13. Ally
March 17, 2008
6:49 PM
Richard—thanks for sharing your story.
Your story reinforces my fear. I’m afraid this so called “yuck” factor and therefore often justified extreme disdain for the particular sin of homosexuality sometimes leads to a church environment that makes it incredibly difficult (if not impossible) for a Christian to seek the support, encouragement, and accountability that she needs. It’s so easy for us to assign levels of “badness” to sin and treat them differently, ignoring the fact that we should help other Christians submit their sin to God rather than suppress it for fear of judgment and hatred (which means it’ll likely bubble up later and continue the cycle of sin).
14. Kyle
March 17, 2008
7:06 PM
I think that one way the church endorses the yuck factor is by its silence. Even if a church or ministry has a biblical perspective and the individuals within that body do not consider homosexual temptation to be a particularly “yucky” sin, by their silence they communicate otherwise.
As an individual who has struggled with homosexual temptation from adolescence and considers it a sin, I have found that the best way that the church can deal with this issue in the body is by actively confronting it and not ignoring it or conceding to liberal theology. Only then can a biblical perspective be communicated and the “yuck” factor dismissed.
Being in the ministry, I have found it to be the case that when I have communicated and initiated the conversation regarding homosexual temptation, it has profoundly impacted the lives of individuals who would have never been open about struggling with this issue. For the sake of the gospel’s transforming power, we should be willing to initiate this conversation in the church and show to those both in and outside the body a biblical perspective. Otherwise, by our silence we communicate that this sin is outside of the gospel’s redeeming and transforming power.
15. A.E.W.
March 17, 2008
7:55 PM
Hey Tim Challies, I haven’t read your page in a l o o o o n g time. Good read. :o) I agree, the “yuck factor” is very real & very strong. As someone who has a family member that’s gay, I have to say … the Lord has taught me much about loving him though not agreeing with him. I’ve learned to put aside my “yuck factor” in order that I can still love my brother and his partner. I have to say, having homosexuality hit your family is surreal - you see it on T.V., hear about it in OTHER families, and read about it in the Bible amoung the other sins that are easy to “yuck” at, but when it creeps its way into your “Christian” family, it’s a shock. I know I still feel intense feelings of “yuck” when I think about my brother’s romantic life involving a man instead of a cute, clever, and Christian young woman. It’s both sad and sick. But then … isn’t my sin? I’d have to say, that’s one of the greatest lessons I’ve learned through this: My sin is “yuck” too. Where I once was terrified of meeting my brother’s boyfriend, I am now excited to see him. I met him at Christmas time this past year - this was a HUGE step. I know eyes were all on me as I met him because I’ve been labeled the “Judgmental Self-Righteous One”. It surprised me how much I enjoyed meeting him. I truly love my brother, and I love his boyfriend, too. My heart aches for them. It grieves me so much to see them in their false happiness. But isn’t that what sin is? The Lord hands us over to what we want - what we crave - what we lust after and in it we claim freedom and bliss until it devours us, destroys us, or just divides us from all that is good in our lives (particularly God). Though the “yuck factor” is real, so is the call for grace. I’m still learning how to love my brother … and love him deeply.
Tim, be encouraged! Your website/blog thing is so refreshing to read. Thanks for your contribution to the spreading of the Truth! :o) You Challies are dear to me! Hi Mrs. Challies!!! I know you probably read this so I thought I’d say hello! ;o)
16. Phil (the Doulos)
March 17, 2008
7:57 PM
As I read this, I couldn’t helping thinking about the “yuck” factor. Yes, I would agree that we guys tend to have a large “yuck” towards the sin of homosexuality. But why do we as Christians not have the same level of revulsion and disgust toward other less “yucky” sins? Is God not disgusted and repulsed by pride, lying, greed, etc, in addition to sexual immorality of all kinds, including homosexuality? Seems to me that we should be seeking to have the same kind of view of sin as God has. Only then will we see all sins as equally abhorrent to a holy God. And only then will we see the need of those bound to these sins for the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ.
17. Gordon Cheng
March 17, 2008
7:57 PM
The yuck factor… I wouldn’t call it decisive, but doesn’t Paul use something fairly close to it when he says:
1Cor. 11:14 Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him
I think what he is talking about here is a visceral response that tells you something is not right about a situation. It is not the foundation for his argument, but he obviously expects that the Corinthians will accept that it has some relevance and validity?
True?
18. Joe Miller
March 17, 2008
9:30 PM
I think we, as Christians, cannot talk about marriage unless we realize that on some level, Homosexuals are Right About Marriage.
19. Diane
March 18, 2008
1:44 AM
I believe the church is missing a critical aspect of homosexual behavior that might help us to more confidently oppose it. Most arguments are based on the valid point that scripture explicitly condemns this activity. However, there is also the very real image presented in I Corinthians 11:3: “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.”
Homosexual relationships are by definition the union of equivalent partners. To be sure, there is usually one who takes a more masculine leadership role and one who behaves more femininely. But there is an inherent absence of hierarchy based on gender, something the Bible not only clearly establishes, but actually explains as being a picture of Christ and the church (Ephesians 5:31,32). Thus the union of man and man implicitly depicts an equality of humans with God, the precise sin for which Lucifer was cast from heaven (Isaiah 14:14).
It is my observation that the present day acceptance of homosexuality is the fruit of three powerful lies. First, we believe we live in a free society and can behave as we choose. Second, we believe our inner impulses are innate and thus should direct our choices. And third, we believe the pursuit of happiness (and the removal of pain) is the primary agenda of our lives. Once we accept these as true, homosexuality and a lot of other dismaying things have become almost inevitable.
For those who might be interested, I have expanded on this idea in Question 19 on my website, www.dyscletter.com
20. David Castor
March 18, 2008
5:41 AM
I think what he is talking about here is a visceral response that tells you something is not right about a situation. It is not the foundation for his argument, but he obviously expects that the Corinthians will accept that it has some relevance and validity?
True?
Well, if it is, can I appeal to the “yuck” factor I get when I read your post?
21. Enony muss
March 18, 2008
8:44 AM
I struggle with same sex attractions and I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. I know that he’s taken away my sin AND to top it off he’s healing me from the consequences of living in my old ways and given me the hope of a great future.
Jesus really is the antedote that gay people need. Their lives are sad, with little meaning and love and they need Jesus BADLY. Thank you very much for your post. It’s always encouraging to see other brothers in Christ speak the truth of Christ to gay people in love. God’s truth is what love is all about! Please don’t forget them though once they become Christian because they need all the encouragement they can get.
22. Richard
March 18, 2008
8:55 AM
Ally, I am praying you find a place of love, grace and safety where Christians are honest about their temptations. A place of accountability where those temptations never come to fruition; thus, the cycle of sin is broken. The book of James teaches us to confess our faults to one another that our burdens may be lightened by the prayers and love of others in Christ Jesus.
I don’t think my situation to be unique; and, know may sit in church on Sunday unable to calmly and rationally discuss this issue with another Christian.
The evangelical church today is experiencing a famine for the Word of the Lord; and, it truly unprepared to make disciples and teach them all things the Lord commanded. Today’s church is focused on growth in numbers rather than depth of the knowledge of God. Today’s church is focused on political and social solutions rather than issues of our heart. The church today seems unable (or unwilling) to exercise loving accountability and speak God’s word into the hearts of all its members.
The only hope for homosexuals is Jesus Christ and His church. We must remember it is not cleverly designed programs or lofty words but God’s kindness that leads to repentance (Romans 2:3). Jesus himself said He did not come to judge; but, that we might have an abundant life, both now and forever.
23. Nate
March 18, 2008
1:02 PM
On the subject, I heartily suggest chapter five entitled, “Antihomosexual,” in Dan Kinnaman’s book unChristian: What a New Generation Really Thinks About Christianity… And Why it Matters. It is a good read providing an honest assessment of how the church generally responds to homosexuality and where the church needs to grow.
24. Deb
March 18, 2008
11:25 PM
I tend to agree with Richard and Ally. There are many former gay/homosexual Christians - even ones who don’t struggle much anymore with temptations - who do not feel that they can share their testimonies publicly. Typically, practicing gays will verbally pummel them, and within the many parts of the Christian community they will be treated like lepers. (IMO)
I would add to this that the awareness of the “Yuck Factor” should be applied first inside the church. Reasons? 1. Because the amount of actual evangelism and mission work that we’re doing in the American church is incredibly minimal at the present time. And 2,, because (as has been said by a great many reformers), we need to preach the Gospel to ourselves first, then we will have something to share with others.
The idea of loving the sinner more than they love their sin should start within the covenant community and then work its way out from there.
25. Semper Reformata
March 19, 2008
10:56 PM
Richard,
Thank you for sharing and praise God for the grace in your life! Some preach grace but just don’t know what it really is, I’m saddened by the fact that you got treated the way you did when you were looking for support etc.
Blessings!
26. Craig
March 20, 2008
6:06 PM
Richard,
I appreciate your comments also and thank God for His good work in your life. Have you thought about blogging or do you have a blog where others in the same struggle can go and encourage one another???
I also agree with Semper when he stated, “Some preach grace but just don’t know what it really is”. It is really too bad that some Christians do not view their particular sin as “yucky” as they view this sin or others.
Craig
27. Richard
March 21, 2008
7:17 PM
Craig:
Like you, I believe the Church to be God’s primary instrument to show His love and grace to all sinners, including those percieved to practice a most vile sin.
Unfortunately, most churches today are unprepared and unwilling to confront even the more “respectable” sins, such as pride, greed, impatience, anger and the like. A good discussion of this problem may be found in Jerry Bridges’ book, Respectable Sins (NavPress).
The church and specialized ministries (i.e. Exodus International) have been duped into the application of psychology as an explanation of homosexuality. This explanation assumes homosexual orientation is established by outside forces; and, this orientation precedes sin. The Bible teaches our problem is an actively sinful heart; and, there are family and psychological and biological influences which lead to any number of different sins.
Therefore, with above caution, I am recommending an Exodus-related ministry in Texas having a moderated on-line support forum for those struggling with homosexual temptations. Their web-site may be found at livehope.org.
Richard