Her Good or Mine?
Asking myself why I want her to change…
I have been thinking about this subject for a while now. I’ve even tried to write about it once or twice with decidedly poor results, causing me to give up and put it aside for another day. I’m going to give it another shot today and hope it works out better.
It was probably a month ago, or sometime around then, that I found myself faced with what should be a simple question. I had been talking to Aileen about some things in her life and character just the way husbands and wives do. I was trying to be a good husband, helping her work through a couple of areas where I thought she should examine her heart to see if she needed to make some changes. She would be the first to admit that there are areas where she can and should change to better reflect the Christ-like character she wants to have. And, as her husband, I have a better view than anyone else. And so I occasionally raise such issues. But it turns out that I’m sinful too. There are many areas in my life where I know I need to commit to change—areas that still have not been brought under the Lordship of Christ. As I spoke to her I began to ask myself, “Why do I want her to change?” Again, this should be a simple question, but as I began to unravel my heart, and as I began to try to get to the bottom of my motives, I was rather surprised at what I found.
Yesterday our pastor opened his sermon by talking about the many young men who have come to him of the course of his pastoral ministry asking him, “How do I know if I really love a girl?” He suggested this as a useful response: You know you love someone when you feel profoundly committed to them and to their good. And it does seem like a good response. This response helped me tie together some of the thoughts that have been trying to coalesce in my mind these past weeks.
I am committed to Aileen. There is no doubt about it. She is the one for me and there isn’t much I wouldn’t do to make her happy. I love her to death. This Wednesday we’ll celebrate our ninth anniversary and I love her now more than ever. I am committed to her good as well. But this is where things get tricky; this is where the lines seem to blur. What is her good? It seems clear to me that what is best for her is to have her character conformed more and more to the image of Jesus Christ. Her good is Christ-likeness. And thus when I challenge her on areas in her life, when I seek after her good, the ultimate goal should be to help her see where she is falling short of the example of Christ and to help her strive towards the character of a Christian. I hope she holds this out as the goal as well when she feels that she needs to challenge or confront me.
The problem is that often I confuse her good with my good. And this is what I’ve been thinking about and trying to write about all this time: how often do my concerns for change in her life really center around me? How often, when I address an area in her life am I really just trying to make my own life easier? How often do my exhortations, which I strive to make gentle and loving, revolve around how she has fallen short of my standards rather than God’s?
It turns out, I think, that my motives are often far from pure. Far too often I hold out my needs, my desires, myself as the standard. I’m trying to invoke change, not to lead her closer to the Savior, but to conform her to standards I’ve set for her. It turns out that in supposedly seeking her good, I’m actually seeking my own. How utterly self-centered of me.
So this has been my challenge. Am I really committed to my wife being a more godly woman, or am I content with trying to just make her a better wife (with better being defined by me)? It’s been an interesting process and I think and I hope that I am beginning to see it all through new eyes.
(I don’t often add this kind of note to the end of my posts, but I want to clarify that I don’t scold my wife constantly. Neither does she have an abnormal number of areas in her life where she is in desperate need of change. I think I’m discussing here the kind of conversations that happen in any marriage and between any husband and wife…)




Comments (44) »
1. Darby Livingston
August 6, 2007
11:24 AM
Well said, Tim. I find the same dilemma in my own marriage. I truly desire my wife’s growth in Christ-like behavior. It just happens that the areas I most desire her change are the ones that immediately affect me! So I have to question, “Why those areas rather than others?” Inevitably, it’s because I want to pursue my pleasure at her expense. I want to create a wife to bless me, rather than being a blessing to my wife. Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ, who not only sets the example, but pays for the falling short of it.
2. Gary
August 6, 2007
12:52 PM
I think the definition of “love” is worth discussing, because the definition of the word will also define our thoughts, feelings and actions.
You wrote: “Yesterday our pastor opened his sermon by talking about the many young men who have come to him of the course of his pastoral ministry asking him, “How do I know if I really love a girl?” He suggested this as a useful response: You know you love someone when you feel profoundly committed to them and to their good. And it does seem like a good response. This response helped me tie together some of the thoughts that have been trying to coalesce in my mind these past weeks.”
Is this a Biblical answer? If marriage is an earthly parable of a spiritual reality, does this answer encompass the love that Christ has for His Church? How does Christ feel about His Church? What does he do for his church? What are his thoughts about His church?
For me, these are the questions that need to be answered, and I need to pray that Jesus would “make me into” the answer. Otherwise, I am left with the Howard Jones lyric: “What is love, anyway? Does anybody love anybody anyway?”
3. Chris Hubbs
August 6, 2007
1:04 PM
I agree, Tim - well said. I have wrestled with this several times before; my wife on occasion has been good enough to remind me to examine my motives. Marriage is such a joy and such a challenge at the same time…
4. Tim
August 6, 2007
1:13 PM
“…help her see where she is falling short of the example of Christ…”
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand and led him out of the village, and when he had spit on his eyes and laid his hands on him, he asked him, “Do you see anything?” Mar 8:24 And he looked up and said, “I see men, but they look like trees, walking.” Mar 8:25 Then Jesus laid his hands on his eyes again; and he opened his eyes, his sight was restored, and he saw everything clearly.
I think my wife would be more “Christ like” if she bought a boat. Jesus liked boats and I think she should follow His example and take up fishing. I’m just helping her out. (NOT)
If you follow Christ then she will have two examples. Clarity of sight is often a process which calls for us to be Longsuffering with others. Leave the spitting to the Lord!
5. Tracy
August 6, 2007
1:21 PM
Do you encourage her to try to change you for your good as much as you try to change her? I like the idea you you setting the example of Godly behavior without specifically trying to change her.
6. holmegm
August 6, 2007
1:22 PM
I think I’m discussing here the kind of conversations that happen in any marriage and between any husband and wife…
I don’t know … sure, they happen, but I think the only time I directly discuss with my wife what I perceive to be her shortcomings is on those occasions when we are fighting about something. So I’m doing it sinfully then.
I can’t imagine just approaching my wife and telling her that “she should examine her heart to see if she needed to make some changes”. Unless she asked me to. Maybe that’s just me being cowardly, though.
7. Ivan
August 6, 2007
1:27 PM
Hey Tim,
First of all, I’m not married, so I can’t relate as much as I would like. But as I read, it made me think of how often plays itself out in other relationships of mine. Of course, not to the same degree.
What I’m talking about is my relationship with friends (just eliminate the romantic part). Be it a roommate or good friend of many years, sometimes my self-centeredness comes into play where I want them to change, under the impression of their sake for Christ-likeness, when in fact it’s for my benefit.
Thanks for your thoughts.
8. donsands
August 6, 2007
1:51 PM
I just recently listened to a teaching from CJ Mahaney, and it was about blind spots.
We all have them. It’s good for us to lovingly help one another to see our faults. I need to do this with more kindness. I can be a little hard. My wife is very godly. And there’s not a whole lot I need to help her see. On the other hand, there tons of stuff she has to help me see, and she does. It’s because we love aone another we do this. Not perfectly, but by His grace, we can, and will.
Bottom line is for the glory of Christ our Savior and Lord.
9. Danny Slavich
August 6, 2007
2:39 PM
I resonate with a lot of this. Sometimes, I find, that when I think I’m being most helpful to my wife (of 5+ weeks now), I’m being the most selfish. It’s a difficult line, that’s for sure!
10. Jacob Vanhorn
August 6, 2007
3:07 PM
Thank you Tim for your transparency in writing this post. I read you all the time, but this post is the first one I felt compelled to reply to. I feel compelled to encourage you to continue examining your heart in this, and other areas. I thank God that he has illuminated your heart in this area, and I thank Him that I have read of it. Is it all perfect, maybe, maybe not. To chip away at the post is to miss the beautiful fact that God has revealed your heart to you, and hopefully to others.
I have often felt that discernment is not primarily to correct someone, but rather to intercede for them. To intercede through prayer first, and only then to intercede for them gently, having seen them through God’s lenses. I need to go pray for some grace now. Thanks again brother.
11. Georges
August 6, 2007
3:44 PM
Dave Harvey’s book, When Sinners say “I Do”, speaks of this quite interestingly.
12. Kyle
August 6, 2007
4:09 PM
This is a tremendously challenging area for me as a husband. I love my wife dearly, and though she is a godly woman and growing in grace, I am very hesitant to bring before her common sins and weaknesses she might display - mostly for fear of causing her pain, but I’m sure there’s also a little fear of reciprocation there. If I make her aware of adjustments she should make, she’ll likely do the same for me….
That’s not to say that we don’t communicate with one another about ways we can grow toward Christ and toward one another; but it’s sort of scary to think about doing it more regularly and intentionally.
13. donsands
August 6, 2007
5:36 PM
” If I make her aware of adjustments she should make, she’ll likely do the same for me”
This is what Tim was getting to I think. It’s good to do this, but for what reason?
My wife is the oldest of 8. She is quite demanding, shall we say. And this is one of her good traits God have worked in her, but it also causes her to come on a bit strong. She helped raise her 3 sisters and 4 brothers. I am the 5th of 6. So there’s a lot there to be talked out, and sometimes it’s bad, and forgiveness is required. (Mostly from me asking for it). And other times we have grown from understanding these traits and characteristics we have.
But the bottom line is our mutual love for Christ, and wanting Him to be pleased and honored in our home and marriage. Hard work for me. But well worth it.
14. Robert Weir
August 6, 2007
6:45 PM
Thanks for the post Tim. It is a problem that many of us that are married or that are in a pre-marriage relationship struggle with, if an honest evaluation is undertaken. It is not that I do not want the best in Christ for my wife, but “me” often times is my true focus, even if what is suggested for her is right it is “I” that wants it this way. No not all bad just wish I could love as Jesus Christ loves us. Who of us would sacrifice all for true love?
15. Tim Challies
August 6, 2007
6:48 PM
If you click the Blog Reactions link up near the top you can visit Boarsheadtavern where Michael Spencer wrote about this post. He wrote:
I wonder if anyone can help me here: Is this kind of conversation normal in a Christian marriage? I seriously want to know.
Maybe you can help me too. Am I the only one who challenges my wife with character issues in her life? Is this abnormal behavior? I would think it would be perfectly normal for a husband to try to gently and lovingly correct his wife when he sees her doing things that may not be biblical. While certainly I fail at times (which is exactly the purpose of this article) I think that is due to my sin and not to a failure in the entire idea.
Thoughts?
16. Nath @ Reformed Geek
August 6, 2007
7:58 PM
No Tim, you’re not the only one…
I think this sort of conversation between man and wife is totally normal, healthy and Biblical. I know that I thank God for my wife being my biggest critic when pride rears it’s ugly head, and my greatest encourager when I lack in confidence.
Understanding the Biblical roles in marriage, I consider it my responsibility to lead my wife, protect her and graciously correct her (as Christ does to the Church)…but thank you for this post, because as I am sinful I need to make sure my motives are pure. Thanks for the challenge!
Just to add, my wife also views this as my responsibility - so there is no “lording” over her, it is totally mutual, and as with Tim, it is not a constant thing either.
17. DeeDee
August 6, 2007
8:53 PM
Hi Tim—These are conversations my husband and I have on a fairly regular basis. By that, I don’t mean every week either! One of the earlier comments mentioned C.J. Mahaney and how he writes of these “blind spots” in his book on humility. My husband and I actually count on each other to do this. We also both know that it won’t always be done with the purest intentions. After all, didn’t Luther say, “There is a pound of flesh in everything we do.”?
On the other side, it’s not always recieved with the most grace and humility either.
However, we know for a fact that these blind spots exist and that we love each other enough to exhort each other about them…and, by the grace of God, be willing to humbly look and listen when exhorted. It’s not easy though! But the end result is all to the glory of Jesus Christ! So, in answer to your question, yes, there are other married couples who talk like you and Aileen do. It’s encouraging to hear that you do! Good and rich communication is great blessing from the Lord and a huge component to a rich, lasting and ever-falling-in-love relationship. After 20 years, we can surely vouch for it!
18. Darby Livingston
August 6, 2007
9:04 PM
Tim, I would think that this conversation is one that many couples don’t have, but should. I resonate completely with your post. I commented on it on my own blog, and linked to your post, but it doesn’t track back for some reason. I blog on marriage at www.profoundmystery.blogspot.com
19. Darby Livingston
August 6, 2007
9:15 PM
My bad on the track back. It’s there now. I linked to your blog, not the url of the article itself. Sorry to clog up your comments.
20. Bob McDowell
August 6, 2007
9:18 PM
I have so much of my own “eye lumber” that it’s hard for me to offer my wife meaningful advice in this area.
And I don’t think I’d be blogging about her shortcomings!
21. Tim
August 6, 2007
10:10 PM
If Michael Spencer “seriously wants to know” then why did he turn the comments off?
22. Rupert
August 7, 2007
12:26 AM
This is NOT a normal conversation between husband and wife. This is one party trying to use divine pressure to change the other party. I would consider it relational blackmail and a very unhealthy practice. If you really feel strongly about it, pray for them. You do believe in the power of prayer, don’t you? If God really thinks it’s important, he’s perfectly capable of getting that message across on his own.
23. april
August 7, 2007
12:26 AM
Tim,
I would find it odd (or at least unhealthy) if married couples didn’t have these types of conversations. Who better than your spouse to help us in our sanctification. Perhaps people are imagining you sitting at the kitchen table with a checklist of things Aileen is “doing wrong.” (I didn’t get this from your post, btw.) But however formal or informal the process, don’t we all encourage and exhort one another to holiness—especially our spouses?
I think it would be unloving if I saw my husband struggling (or enjoying!) a specific sin and just let him continue in it without saying anything. Of course, as you point out, we are sinners and often have selfish motives, but that doesn’t mean we get to ignore sin in someone we love.
24. Brandon
August 7, 2007
1:28 AM
fyi to tim @ comment 21, BHT never allows comments on their posts as its a group discussion blog for members.
25. Anne
August 7, 2007
4:01 AM
Where do you get off scolding your wife at all? She’s your partner in life, not your child. No, this kind of discussion, where one partner treats the other like a recalcitrant child is not a helpful one…not helpful for you and certainly not helpful for her. I feel sorry for her, if this is the best her marriage has to offer. She deserves a best friend, not a school master.
26. julie
August 7, 2007
7:58 AM
While there are certainly times in marriage that we have no choice but to make the other aware of their sin in order to stop them hurting themself or someone else, to make this a normal practice in marriage can be very damaging. I’m well aware that there is a segment of the church that is teaching this is one of the duties of a good husband (to faithfully point out his wife’s sin) but I would like to know where in Scripture this is taught. Certainly not 1 Cor. 13….Correction is the Holy Spirit’s role, not the husband’s or wife’s, and we should only enter into that if and when the Holy Spirit wants to use us in his work.
I have lived too long as a tool of Satan in my husband’s life (and he in mine), willing to point out every sin I see (even ‘kindly’ and ‘humbly’ and then wonder why he’s drowning in the slimy pit of condemnation, sinning all the more! This attitude comes from living under law instead of grace. We love to apply laws and standards to each other and measure the other’s (and our own ) perfomance. The problem is, this can only lead to self-rightieous arrogance or crushing guilt. Neither should we ever be experiencing if we are in Christ. We need to come to an understanding of how God treats us even in our sin before we can treat others the same way.
Do not base you marriage around a discussion of sin (not saying that’s what you’re doing Tim, just where we can go with this), but a reveling in God’s presence as he reveals more and more of his goodness, mercy, love, grace, power, holiness, peace, joy, patience, and faithfulness. The more we are with HIm the more we’ll become like him…
27. Carla Stream
August 7, 2007
8:10 AM
From a wife…I have been praying for my husband for years and years. For his good, for our marriage, for God’s glory. I pray daily out of the book The Power of a Praying Wife. Before I even THINK what to say(um honey can we talk about how things are? The way I see it?)I take it to God. He has answered my prayers in amazing ways without my help, thanks very much. I can be a nag, a complainer, a whiner, a control freak. My hope is that we are taking our spouses to the Lord in prayer. FIRST.
28. donsands
August 7, 2007
8:11 AM
“Likewise, wives, be submissive to your own husbands; …. for after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, … being in submission to their own husbands: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord”. 1 Peter 3:1-6
The husbands are to love their wives as Christ loves them, and the wives are to fear the husbands. Not very popular teaching in our day. But it is the Word of God. God likes it this way.
There is a whole lot to “unpack” here, as they say. But the heart of God’s heart is within these verses, and it’s fairly simple to grasp, but very difficult to do.
29. Darby Livingston
August 7, 2007
9:25 AM
I hope folks know the ball rolls both ways in this. Both husbands and wives should help one another. In order to explain away the necessity of godly exhortation by one another, one has to explain away the entire book of Hebrews, Galatians and 1 John in particular. There is a way to exhort that isn’t legalism or sinful. I think that was Tim’s whole point in posting this real life article.
30. julie
August 7, 2007
10:09 AM
“There is a way to exhort that isn’t legalism or sinful”
Very true. I’ve always understood exhortation to be strong encouragement, probably not usually involving pointing out sin (though may be part of it) but more pointing someone toward faith in God.
31. Jason Ruzek
August 7, 2007
11:07 AM
Tim,
This is really good stuff. It wonderfully speaks of our need of a Biblical worldview and within the thread people have given so many great examples of how they’ve gotten it right and wrong and why. It is also so encouraging to see so many people constantly being reformed by the Spirit in the light of the word. It is also comforting that others are doing so, since I so often get it wrong.
My wife and I regularily deal with these things and, honestly, I absolutly count on her to approach me with character issues. She sees right through so much of my bluster and relational tactics, and I know that through her loving confrontations I have grown immensely in the last 6 years.
I do the same with her, as well. Now nobody likes it, but it seems to me that the bigger issue than timing or even the character challenge being addresses is the motive of theh addresser. Have you ever found yourself seeing what is a biblically related character issue in your spouse but the point at which you find your self wanting to address it is during a time in which you would benefit from the change. This seems to be what Tracy had wisely noted about himself. Sometimes I find that my desire to address an issue has more to do with my own comfort than her growth towards the Father.
My experience is even if the position is Biblical, if the motivation is all about me, or even mostly about me, I end up messing it up. Luke 9:23-5.
Jason
32. xeres
August 7, 2007
1:53 PM
@ rupert and anne,
You totally misunderstood with Tim is trying to convey. He is just saying that when we what something about our spouse that needs to be change, many of their parthers often tempted to think how the necessary change would make their lives more convienent rather than how that change will lead their spouses to be more Christ-like. Tim just used his marriage as an example for this post and you guys just assume that his wife is miserable. You don’t the whole situation at all so I suggest you guys think before you assume stuff like that. Plus, there is nothing wrong with encouraging your spouse to be more holy like God is holy. Are you guys suggesting that if there’s something about my spouse that I find annoying as well as unChrist-like, should I always never raise that AT ALL, even if it isn’t beneficial in his walk with God?
33. Jason Ruzek
August 7, 2007
2:19 PM
Hiya Xeres,
so much anger. so much irritation.
Here, let me help you with your character development…
But don’t worry. I don’t get anything out of it.
Jason
34. xeres
August 7, 2007
2:34 PM
Jason,
I’m sorry that I come across that way. I’m actually opinionated and strong-willed rather than easily angered or irritated. However, being hard-headed is a problem that I get from people.
35. Larry Geiger
August 7, 2007
2:41 PM
Hi Tim I think occasionally, when it comes up naturally in conversation, it can be appropriate to discuss issues with each other. Spending a lot of time looking for problems is counter productive.
However, I think that most of the time it is better if she hears it from scripture or the pastor. There might be one or two things in her life that I might be qualified to speak to her about, but there are a myriad of things that I am totally unqualified to even bring up. My instincts in this area almost always lead me astray. After 33 years I have learned that almost all of the things that I would have changed I now see as endearing qualities.
Actually, of the two of us, most of the time, it is myself that requires reminders. A good Godly woman I have found and I cherish her every day. I spend time every day trying to find some way to encourage and lift her up and compliment her strengths.
Larry Geiger
36. Jason Ruzek
August 7, 2007
3:06 PM
Hiya Xeres,
I was just kidding. I am still praying and pursuing regarding my own relational stoutheartedness (read: inflexibility). I have nothing to teach anybody.
Is the hard head a result of smackin it against the filing cabinet? Maybe you could send me the model #….
Jason
37. Darby Livingston
August 7, 2007
3:10 PM
“Spending a lot of time looking for problems is counter productive.” I would agree with that. I wouldn’t recommend we sit around looking for problems with each other. It’s better to just enjoy each other, and thank God for the gift of a spouse. I think the point of this whole post is, “What do you do with the obvious sins that you come across in daily life with another sinner?” Is it loving to just ignore it? The Bible clearly says no. It may not be comfortable to address them, but the Bible says we must (Heb. 3:12-14). The context there is sin and ultimate salvation. As John Piper says, “Salvation is a community project.” I don’t think it’s a matter of whether to exhort and correct or not to. It’s a matter of my motive for correcting. Am I doing it for the benefit of my spouse’s soul, or for my own temporal comfort? That’s how I took Tim’s original post and subsequent question.
38. Diane
August 7, 2007
6:12 PM
This is terribly convicting Tim. As a wife I struggle with this same thing too. Thanks for posting this. It is a good reminder to always ask the Lord to search our hearts before ever confronting another person’s sin. Galatians 6:1
With regard to the comment made earlier about a husband not talking to his wife about her sin. Something that I have learned, as a wife, is that it is my husband’s job to “pastor” my heart. In fact, I like for him to do it. I don’t always have the right initial response to him, but in the long run it is definitely clear to me it is a demonstration of his love for me. My husband’s goal is to love me as Christ loves the church. I think it is a husband’s job to present his wife as holy and spotless bride. That kind of love looks somewhat like this: Ephesians 5:25
“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing 14 her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to himselfas a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
Eph 5:28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. Eph 5:29 After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— Eph 5:30 for we are members of his body.
39. Rupert
August 7, 2007
6:37 PM
Here, let me point out how you can become more Christ-like. I do this with no ulterior motives. The only people I see Jesus correcting in the Bible are hyper-religious, legalistic self-righteous jerks who think God needs their help in letting everyone one else know how they fail to measure up.
“He is just saying that when we what something about our spouse that needs to be change, many of their parthers often tempted to think how the necessary change would make their lives more convenient rather than how that change will lead their spouses to be more Christ-like.”
I know what he’s saying. I’m saying the urge to “help” your spouse by pointing out how she is screwing up is arrogant, unhealthy and damaging to the relationship, regardless of how you spin it to make it sound more spiritual. Who died and appointed you God?
I’ve never seen so many religious people with so little confidence or faith in prayer or the ability of their God to accomplish his will. It’s sad and discouraging.
40. donsands
August 7, 2007
7:32 PM
Rupert,
God does speak to His children through His children. Especially wives and husbands. there have been a lot of good comments here.
We are to submit to one another and correct one another. It’s to be done in love; and if we don’t say anything, when someone needs to hear it, then that to me is arrogant, and it’s not loving that spouse of person.
The humble thing is to help people see their faults. The attitude in which we do that has been commented on over and over on this blog. There’s no big secret to how we help one another.
I have a fellow elder who came to me and said, “Donald, any time you see me off track come and let me know”. He was my pastor. Very humble man of God. And he is very godly, and thank I God I hardly ever have to say something to him, but there have been times when I did, and he thanked me.
For what it’s worth.
41. Darby Livingston
August 7, 2007
7:34 PM
Let’s be realistic. Jesus came to save more than just the legalists. He never corrected the prostitutes, tax collectors, drunks, thieves, murderers and the like? He just left them in that condition? If one believes in the inspiration of Scripture, then Hebrews and Galatians are the words of Christ also. What about Paul’s list of vices? They have nothing to do with religion, but the lack of it. James agrees.
“My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins” (James 5:19-20).
Am I to believe that the only way that is allowed to happen is through prayer? Hebrews 3 contradicts that notion, where direct confrontation is commanded. It’s not arrogant. It’s loving. It’s not spin. It’s obedience. It may be damaging to the relationship, but at least it’s not at the expense of their soul. I may not like my wife’s corrections when I’m being childish and proud. But when I’m in my right mind, I cherish them as the “faithful wounds of a friend.”
42. Tim Challies
August 7, 2007
9:22 PM
Thanks for all the comments. I’m going to write about this again, I think. I’ll probably do so on Thursday. I think there are some things that need to be clarified…
43. Rupert
August 8, 2007
1:07 AM
‘I have a fellow elder who came to me and said, “Donald, any time you see me off track come and let me know”.’
That’s a very different proposition than, “My wife is screwing up. I think I’ll straighten her out. In love, of course.” If she ASKS to be corrected, so be it. Otherwise, trust her enough and trust God enough to work it out. I don’t think the world is screwed up because there is a shortage of people pointing out other people’s faults.
Thoreau had it right.
44. Jason Ruzek
August 8, 2007
7:18 AM
I’m going to Thoreau up.
If one is in a marriage in which one of the two doesn’t want to improve and doesn’t want to hear what the other has to say about it…
you got problems.