The Nature of Blogging
I have been chipping away at this post for two weeks. And in reality I have been thinking about it for far longer than that. And yet what I bring you today is really quite pathetic. I have been unable to formulate clear, biblical wisdom on this topic. And so I am going to present it to you regardless, hoping that your input and discussion will be able to make plain what is still cloudy.
I often receive questions from readers of this site which hint at a question that has often troubled me and caused me to think or to search the Scriptures. I have seen this same question crop up occasionally at other blogs as well. The question deals with the nature of blogging. What is blogging? Of the various types of communication we experience in the world, how does blogging compare? Is it teaching? Is it simple discussion? Is it analogous to a preacher standing in a pulpit or could it be analogous to a few friends standing around a water cooler? What biblical guidelines should we adhere to when we write blogs and when we read blogs?
I think this is an important topic for Christians to consider. I think our understanding of this topic will inform our behavior in terms of topics we write about, the way we write and the way we respond to what others write. One important way this will manifest itself is in the relationship of men to women, and this is an area I will focus on today, simply because it is the area I have thought about most.
I have found it helpful to think of blogging within the spectrum of communication we experience in fellowship on one hand or in reading a book on the other (perhaps because fellowship and reading are two of my favorite things to do).
On one end of the spectrum we have books. Books are a rather impersonal form of communication, but a form that carries a good deal of credibility. We assume when we read a book that it has passed through several levels of editing and that what is presented to us within the book is well-researched, measured and verified. Books convey an air of authority (though of course true authority in matters of the faith is granted by Scripture and by faithfulness to Scripture) but are also reasonably simple to disagree with because we generally have no access to the author. I can examine a statement an author makes and easily agree or disagree with it without fear of offense.
I don’t know of any man who would object to his wife reading a good book on the basis that she will be learning from a man other than her husband. She may even be corrected by a man other than her husband by reading such a book, as he may bring Scripture to bear on areas in which she has been unfaithful to Scripture. Also, I do not know of too many men who would refuse to read a book written by a woman on the basis that in so-doing he would be learning from a woman, though this may depend on the nature of the topic she discusses. In general, books are impersonal but authoritative means of learning.
At the other end of the spectrum we have personal fellowship. This may be as simple as two or more Christians speaking to each other face-to-face. There are certain biblical standards that many Christians adhere to in such circumstances. Defending each of these is outside the scope of this article, so I will merely provide some examples that I feel are quite typical. For example, I do not feel it is appropriate for a man to correct the theology of another man’s wife. This may serve to undermine the authority of the husband, for it is the task of a husband to guide and teach his wife as she searches the Scripture. It may also cause offense, for long (and occasionally painful) experience has shown me that men and women relate far differently and this type of situation can lead to needless pain and offense (by which I mean to say that the woman inevitably ends up in tears and the man inevitably ends up looking and feeling like a chump). If a man sees behavior in a woman that needs to be corrected, he should approach not the woman, but her husband. The husband then bears the privilege and responsibility of addressing the problem with his wife. Much of our fellowship is guided by simple and clear biblical wisdom relating to how men and women ought to relate.
I have found it instructive to think about where blogs fall within this spectrum. Having done so, I believe blogs fall, or ought to fall somewhere in the middle. This may seem like a safe choice, but I believe it allows for important distinctions. It has often caused me to pause and consider whether a particular topic is appropriate for a mode of communication that bears at least some resemblance to fellowship. There have been some topics that I have felt should probably not be addressed in a blog setting. Let me provide an example:
I recently came across a section in a book which I thought would make for interesting discussion, but I decided that I would not post it to my site for I felt that it would not be entirely appropriate to discuss this in such a setting. The potential for discussion arose when I was reading the book A Love That Lasts by Gary and Besty Ricucci (read my review). As we might expect in a book dealing with marriage, one of the chapters dealt with sex. In discussing 1 Corinthians 7:3-5 (the passage which begins: “The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband…”), Betsy Ricucci says “There are three clear and inescapable points in this passage. 1) In matters of sexuality, the spouse’s body belongs to the other. 2) Therefore, denying sex to one another is never legitimate. 3) In fact, abstaining from sex should only take place when three conditions are met: you both agree to it, the abstention is temporary, and it’s intended to serve a season in which prayer is particularly emphasized” (146). In other words, and on the basis of an example she provides, fatigue or lack of desire is not a legitimate reason to abstain from sex, even for a single night, for “prayer is the only legitimate reason for abstaining if there is no actual physical hindrance” (147).
Now I think we could have had some interesting discussion about this. Yet as I considered posting it, I thought about whether this would be something I would be comfortable discussing with my female friends face-to-face. I quickly concluded that it was not and thus decided to find something else to right about. I felt that having such a discussion in mixed company may not prove edifying.
In thinking about these things, I reached a few conclusions, but none of them were all that satisfying. And so I invite your input. Is this a topic which Christians should discuss and be aware of? Is it possible that blogs are interfering with God-given patterns of communication and authority? Or am I making something out of nothing here?




Comments (44) »
1. david
June 7, 2006
10:54 AM
Is this a topic which Christians should discuss and be aware of?
Yes, in the proper setting. This is something that husbands should discuss with their wives, fathers should teach their sons, and mothers should teach their daughters. Older men should teach younger men, and older women should teach younger women.
There is too much willingness today to discuss publicly things that are private. There is little consideration for what is decent and fitting. There is a proper time and place for every discussion. Some things are meant to be discussed quietly in a closed setting.
2. John Hollandsworth
June 7, 2006
10:56 AM
Well, isn’t this a pandora’s box, to talk about whether ” Is it possible that blogs are interfering with God-given patterns of communication and authority?” Doesn’t that imply that blogs aren’t “God-given”? For that matter, is there a pattern of communication that would not be “God-given”? I’m not sure whether you can make a case there.
The other topic that comes to mind is that “blogging” is such a diverse universe that I don’t think you can make any type of blanket statement about it. The type, purpose, length, and subject matter between Joe Carter and Steve Camp, well…enough said, but both are “Christian bloggers.”
I think that blogging can serve a useful addition to the teaching and edification of the church in that it isn’t tied to the standard laws of capitalism that can have obvious deleterious influences as centuriOn and the IMonk have been discussing this week. It is a hybrid, part conversation, part “news flash”, part evangelistic cry, part debate, part teaching letter, part personal sharing, quite unlike any other type of communication that has existed before, with both strengths and weaknesses. Just because it has weaknesses should not keep us from using its strengths for the glory of God.
3. Rebecca
June 7, 2006
11:32 AM
Well, I for one, am glad you didn’t post on that subject, and I’m not sure why, exactly, either, except that if feels more like a subject that ought to be taught man to man and woman to woman or in private with a particular couple. Like it’s one of the things discussed, for instance, when older women teach younger women “how to love their husband”, or when men learn (who do men learn from?) how to love their wives.
Blogs just can’t function that way, because we can’t control who reads—not that I’d want to. They certainly are a useful tool, but like every tool, they can’t do everything well. I made it a rule, a long time ago, that I won’t say anything that I wouldn’t feel comfortable saying in front of a random stranger on the street or the person who lives two houses down that I say hello to, but not much more, since, as you say, a blog is not as impersonal as a book, nor as intimate as my kitchen table.
4. Tim Challies
June 7, 2006
11:36 AM
I re-read what I wrote and want to be sure that people understand that I’m not asking whether or not the example I provided is worth discussing, but whether the larger discussion about the nature of blogging is a worthwhile one.
5. Julian
June 7, 2006
12:23 PM
Tim, a similar question I’ve pondered is how McLuhan’s principle applies with blogging. If the medium is the message (how a culture expresses itself is really an expression of what the culture consists of, how it is defined, what its values are, etc.), then what are we saying about ourselves by communicating in blogs?
Does it reflect on the fact that we long for something more personal than books in a non-personal age?
Or does it reflect the fact that we are all too impersonal to have the discussions that we really want to have face-to-face, so we need to hide behind a monitor, keyboard, and alias.
What does it mean that blogging has become the chosen medium of communication (to a large degree) for our generation? Particularly so for Christians, interestingly enough…
6. Travis from SteppinginFaith
June 7, 2006
12:33 PM
As a college student at Texas A&M, I am slowly coming across more and more students who are “getting into blogging.” This ever-increasing phenomenon has raised some serious questions in my mind, and in the minds of some of my close friends.
John is right, there are many different types of blogs out there, and some of these by nature merit a higher level of authority than others. But regardless of influence, I think every Christian should be careful when they blog, because you never know when someone might take note of what you say and give you more attention than you deserve.
Meghan, from steppinginfaith.com/meghan, picked up a lot more readership than she ever thought when Joe Carter reviewed her post on post-modernity last Friday. It was not as if this was a bad thing, but all of a sudden we found ourselves asking the question, “who are we to blog?”
It is one thing to venture an opinion around the water-bucket, but it is another thing to vaunt a thought in front of hundreds of no-faced readers. All I’m saying is, we have to be careful. And I agree with Tim, I don’t have a lot of insight, only caution.
7. Rick Bannister
June 7, 2006
12:51 PM
Tim,
The nature of “the blog” is free flowing, because your premise is one thing, but the responses are not what you expected. You wanted one topic, but another is discussed.
To state what I am sure you already know, the motiviation (or reason to do something) is very important. What is YOUR motivation for blogging? What is the reason behind an individual blog? So a “purpose statement”, or personal code of conduct would give values for you personally and others to visit your site. Since you are a big wheel in the Christian blogging, is that something that was discussed at your bloggers round table during one of your recent conferences? Is that something that is needed? I know of some sites that have rules of some kind or another. Others feel the christian internet blogging should be not be regulated except by the personal conscience.
In the examples you used some questions came to my mind that were not on task. For example are you egalit. or compl.? Regarding the men who prefer not to read books by women depending on the subject, what was the lady’s purpose or motivation for the book? Was it written with ladies in mind? Or was the attitude spiritual truth from God’s word is good for both men and women.
8. Dallas Pymm
June 7, 2006
12:59 PM
Some good thoughts Tim. It is clear you are concerned about God being most glorified and that is great to see. I think blogs can serve a great purpose of edification by communicating with other believers. Just because they can do this, does not mean they always do. This is a great topic of conversation because it reminds people that blogs are not Church, or bible study, or study of biblical topics.
As far as blogs interfering God-given patterns of communication and authority, I would say it depends on who is participating in the blog. I am sure blogs can do this, I am sure with no offense intended that your blog may have done this. We as fallible sinners do this all the time. We should not stop blogging because it could be done poorly, we should continue to blog with the purpose of glorifying God by being faithful to His word by discussing appropriate topics, and doing it with a Christ like attitude.
You are not making something out of nothing brother. It is an important topic for many reasons. I am sure there will be great discussion about it.
9. Bill Barnes
June 7, 2006
1:42 PM
What would Jesus blog? Or - would Jesus blog?
It’s kind of unfortunate that “WWJD” has been sort of marginalized by our culture because I think it can be a really good question. Here especially.
I don’t think he would (does) have a problem with blogging per se. But I don’t think it would ever be close to the biggest part of his ministry. He wanted to “come in and eat with” us. This seems very personal to me, not something done through books or cyberspace. So for me at least, I want to spend the majority of my time in close, yes physical, fellowship with other believers and of course, believers-to-be.
Having said that, we all have different callings. Perhaps, for you Tim, this is your role in the Body.
John 13:34-35
“A new command I give you. That you love one another. As I have loved you so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
10. donsands
June 7, 2006
1:59 PM
Personally, I am being encouraged through blogging. I was tremendously edified with the reports from T4G. Keep on brother. Let the Scriptures be your authority and boundaries, as they already are, and your conscience be your standard. His will be done.
11. Lynn
June 7, 2006
2:50 PM
Tim, I enjoy reading your blog, and my favorites from you are the book reviews. I don’t think writing about the topic you mentioned would have been right. That is something that should be done on a man to man, woman to woman basis.
I only read a couple of blogs on a daily basis. My favorite is the Girl Talk blog (btw, thank you for adding a link to it) because it is a Titus 2 blog, and for me, it encourages me in my role as a wife and mother. I don’t have the time to sit down and read numerous blogs every day, so I only read those that are helpful to me, such as the Titus 2 subject.
With one exception, I pretty much read yours on a daily basis too.
12. Nathan Finn
June 7, 2006
3:36 PM
Tim, I think this is one of the best posts of yours that I have seen in recent memory. I think blogging is informative and often edifying, but with the wider avenues for expression come weighier responsibilities in our striving to be Christ-like in all we do. For some , gossip and the like seem to be the point of blogging. Add to that the tendency for blogging and commenting to become a means of establishing cyber-relationships with others, and some blogs turn into gripe sessions, or worse, the local online beauty salon.
I think there is still some ambiguity about what form of media blogs are (and are still becoming), but I think that this fuzziness does not negate the responsibility Christians have to blog in ways that honor Christ and are distinct from the fallen culture around us. Thanks for your insights, and thanks for the example you model on your own blog.
13. Lin
June 7, 2006
4:34 PM
If I understand correctly, this is the real issue you were referring to in your post. Is that correct?
Since I am new to the reformed movement, this has been quite a wake-up call for me. I grew up around intellectual women…especially in the area of theology. (Don’t freak out…they were NOT pastors…mostly musicians) My grandmother, at 84 ,was taking classes on Romans at Seminary just to give you an example of the importance that was placed on study.
I have often wondered if men in the reformed movement have a problem with Ingrid over at Slice. Is she teaching? Or just posting information? I was rebuked on Slice by one male poster that I should not have a woman for an SS teacher. (All ladies class)
Does this view go overboard even in the interpretation of scripture? Can you cut yourself off from a culture where so many women are divorced with no husband to teach them or you can look around you and see there are few men who have the ability or even care to teach.
Do reformed men think they have nothing theologically to learn from any woman?
In any case, I have learned quite a bit from blogs. It drives me to scripture to discern truth.
14. Reid Monaghan
June 7, 2006
6:16 PM
Tim,
I think you can discuss these sorts of issues in the blog world. Being mindful that your audience is almost “universal” in scope being read by women and men, young and old, Christian and Non Christian. One thing Christian bloggers can forget is that our blogs may be read by “outsiders”; we should seek to communicate with that broad of an audience in mind while still serving your primary/dominant audience (Fun Reformed Fundamentalists who like reading - in the case of your blog). This is difficult challenge - maybe too hard for blogging…but what the heck, we should try.
Your specific example brings to mind the true nature of the question. Each blog post must be weighed in wisdom and tactfully written. Tim, I think you do this really well and do not seem to just “throw stuff up.” I think we appreciate your blog for its thoughfulness.
On the example discussed, that of sexuality, (I know you clarified that this was not your question) - I think we should absolutely discuss that text publically. If one is a proponent for expository preaching, you will have to “teach” this to a mix gendered and age varied congregation. Many people in the church have great difficulty understanding marital sexuality due to our reticence to preach and teach on this candidly. Yes, with appropriate modesty (which is always a contextual issue), but a more open discussion is needed. If believers cannot talk about sexuality openly, people will hear, get information elsewhere. Why not give them the gospel truth on the matter - in all its glorious, covenant, God designed and ordained ideal? It is the better way…and it shines forth in our sex obsessed, sex saturated world that is empty and aching from a lack of true intimacy.
15. Brian Thornton
June 7, 2006
6:29 PM
Questions for all you blog readers out there…
Which do you learn from the most…the blog entry or the blog comments that follow?
Which are you most edified by…the blog post or the comments that follow?
Which do you think are more honoring to our Savior…the blog entries, or the blog comments that follow?
Could you be edified and informed from blog posts only, even if there were no such thing as the ability to post comments?
What drives a blog and its success…the blog entry or the comments?
Even for blogs that allow for comments, should their quality be gauged by the comments, or the initial blog entries themselves.
What do you think is the motivation for posting comments among most of the blogging world?
For those out there who have their own sites…what is your primary motivation for posting comments on other blogs…to actually say something worth reading, or to get noticed and drive traffic to your own sites?
How does/should accountability work in the blog commenting world?
16. Jeri
June 7, 2006
7:11 PM
“It has often caused me to pause and consider whether a particular topic is appropriate for a mode of communication that bears at least some resemblance to fellowship. There have been some topics that I have felt should probably not be addressed in a blog setting.”
Yes. I think that is correct. Your blog is much more intimate than a book, and it is a form of fellowship. That still doesn’t provide concrete guidelines, but it does give pause for thought.
I think in your case, Tim, you may be under obligation to treat (write for) the younger women readers as sisters, and the older women (that’d be me) readers as mothers.
17. donsands
June 7, 2006
7:27 PM
brian,
It’s a package deal to me.
18. Brian Thornton
June 7, 2006
7:55 PM
“It’s a package deal to me.”
In that case, what of those blogs that do not allow for comments, such as James White’s Alpha & Omega blog, GirlTalk, Al Mohler’s blog, Together for the Gospel blog, and Reformation21?
Are these lesser blogs since they do not have a comments option?
19. Susan
June 7, 2006
8:50 PM
“Is this a topic which Christians should discuss and be aware of? Is it possible that blogs are interfering with God-given patterns of communication and authority? Or am I making something out of nothing here?”
Excellent post Tim, I think you are very wise to raise these questions.
As Christians, when we blog we need to be as “shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves” [Matthew 10:16] about what we blog about. Because you just never know who will read our posts or what reactions they will receive.
It is so easy to misunderstand the point of a post (it has happened to me).
Hey, I do enjoy your blog!
20. Lance Roberts
June 7, 2006
9:10 PM
I try not to read theological books by women, for some of the same reasons I don’t listen to women preachers on the radio. If they’re not supposed to be teaching men, then it wouldn’t normally be right to put myself in a position where they are. Learning like everything, should be done in a godly fashion. That said, there may be times when it may be appropriate to read one of their books; for example, when you need to find out exactly what they’re teaching the women that God has entrusted you to lead.
21. D
June 7, 2006
10:00 PM
Hi Tim,
I apologize for not knowing you well. I just found your blog through a book review I was looking up for my daughter. She was told by another teenager that she should go out and purchase “Captivating” by J.E. I had not heard of the book and I am concerned about what my children learn and if what is being discussed in a book packaged for Christian readers is scripturally accurate. Your review page led me to reading this blog. By the way thank you for the review, it was very enciteful.
I do not suppose that I am an expert in the blogging community since I just found out that such a thing exists. But I hope that my opinion might be helpful input nonetheless.
From what I have learned through personal study in God’s Word, He is not a God in which man can place limits on. What I mean to say is that He does not think as we think nor are His ways like our ways.
To illustrate: A well-known and beloved pastor wrote in a book once that God’s original plan for man was what we have pictured in the Garden of Eden. He then wrote the words “But then”. As if God’s plan was somehow thrawted by man and He had to come up with a plan B. For us it is hard to imagine how God’s original divine plan could have included the fall of man, sin, suffering and even the death of His Son. Surely a God whose eyes are to pure to look upon such evil would not have including such things into His plan. (similiar thinking was of Habakkuk). But anyone who is familiar with the God in the Scriptures knows that He providentially uses even the worst things in life to accomplish His purposes.
I say this to give example to the question you asked “Is it possible that blogs are interfering with God-given patterns of communication and authority?” Please forgive me if I sound instructive (as I am a women) for I do not intend to be. But your question begs another one. Who determines what is God-given communication and is it really possible to interfere with God’s plan? I’ve read in the scripture how God used a donkey once to speak to Balaam. I would even go as far as to say that he taught Balaam something that day. Who made the donkey speak and who instructed him what to say? I believe God did. So now, should I expect God to speak to me through a donkey just because He chose this pattern of communication at that time to teach Balaam something about his sin and impending danger. I do not believe so. And there is no mention of telephones in the Bible, yet we use them everyday to communicate with fellow brethren whether it is to teach, edify or simply fellowship. Am I to assume because there is no mention of this type of communication that this ability is not God-given and therefore I should cease to use it to reach others with the Gospel? Should we all just rely on face to face contacts and letters since these were the primary forms of communication back then? Are we only to be taught in our homes and in church buildings? I don’t believe so.
Then there is the question of “authority”. I could be wrong but I believe the reference regarding a wife being instructed at home by her husband had to do with concerns she might raise during corporate worship. Is this what blogging is? Corporate worship? I do think so but then again I’m not an expert. By the way do you believe that God can use whomever He will to teach us? Even when it doesn’t fit into His normal pattern of authority. Does He ever make exceptions? Although this was not the norm, I do find that He once use a woman to be a judge over Isreal and before anyone says she was sinning, you should first show me were she was rebuked. Again, this was not the norm but the exception so I do not believe a woman should be in authority over a man. So if God made an exception once, can He not do it again. I believe so. I found that Abigail was another example of how she intending to be a helpmate to her husband acted without his permission and read what the bible called her actions. Can a Sunday School teacher learns something about God from one of her students during an open discussion and it be of God? Can a wife help her husband to make god honoring decisions when he looses his way by directing him to scripture and prayer and it be of God? Can a visitor to your site learn something from one of your posts and it be of God? I think so. Just take a look at all the comments from this one. Wouldn’t you agree that we have all learned something from it.
In my opinion, blogging like all other forms of communication can be used for evil and abusively. But that even happens in churches and in our homes. So if I were to give you an answer to your question it would be this: In all things (including blogging) do it as if it were unto the Lord. You can’t worry about how others use blogging but you can be responsible with how you use it. As you write depend on the Holy Spirit to guide your posts and comments. Post truthfully even when you think you might be wrong. I like how you state whether something is just your opinion or whether it is a fact from scripture. Any sensible person can understand that as humans we are not perfect and subject to error. And lastly, I am happy to see that you post so that God is most glorified.
I personally prefer to read the Bible over anything else (including blogs) but it is nice to learn every now and then how God is working in the lives of people throughout this world. I’m glad to have met you.
Written in brotherly love
PS: If somehow, I percieved your question wrong please forgive me.
22. blestwithsons
June 7, 2006
10:23 PM
Good Night! Somebody get that woman a blog!!
23. Kenny Archbold
June 7, 2006
10:23 PM
Brian , I know that there are downsides to having a comment section but if you actually ever succeed in getting Tim to remove this feature it will be a great loss to this site. I very much enjoy and am edified by many of the commentators such as yourself , donsands, Mike Ratliff, John Hendrix , Dallas Pymm, Bibliomaniac,4ever4given ,Carla and others. I know there are those that give unregenerate or just plain silly comments from time to time(I myself have been guilty) but good edifying Christian conversation is so hard to find (for me anyway).
Sorry Tim - I have no advice. I have actually never witnessed a woman submitting only to the teaching of her husband. No… take that back I do know of just one. It is Biblical but I wonder how many people actually submit to it in every day life. Perhaps you could have your female readers have their husband sign a permission slip for their wife to participate. Just Kidding ; -)
24. martha_martha
June 7, 2006
10:43 PM
It is interesting to see someone bring up the issue of men, women and blogging, a topic that I think is often not even considered in the blogosphere, but one that I have done some thinking about as a female blogger. One of the issues that I have had to work through is the issue of headship and submission in blogging. The internet is certainly not exempt from such principles, but what exactly does it look like for a married woman, who is under the authority of her husband, to write public blog entries in a way that honours his headship? And, for that matter, how does a woman go about commenting on other people’s (especially men’s) blogs? A few months ago, I wrote a post on this issue: http://sarahfullerton.blogspot.com/2006/03/law-and-gospel-as-one-under-authority.html I might further add that I don’t ask my husband to preview every comment I ever make on a blog (although he has already read this one), or every post I write, just as I wouldn’t ask his permission before ever opening my mouth in front of another person. But just as I would not assert my own opinion above his in a public setting, or divulge information to random people that he is unaware of (surprise parties aside), or say things that show lack of respect for him and his leadership in our home, I strive to keep from doing this as I blog.
25. donsands
June 7, 2006
10:52 PM
brian,
I suppose for me personally they are lesser, although I have been encouraged and informed with blogs like James White’s. And have actually corresponded with his blog about a particluar doctrinal issue i needed some help with.
It’s all good. However, for me personally, with comments it’s a better deal. I hope that makes sense.
p.s. Another quick thought. I believe the Lord has us in certain places for certain seasons; and always for His glory and our good. His hand is always present to lead and guide us to where we can serve Him best, as we grow in His grace and love.
26. D
June 7, 2006
10:54 PM
Sorry fellow bloggers. Didn’t mean to be so chatty :) But I just wanted to correct one of my statements. I meant to say “I do not think blogging is corporate worship.” By the way blestwithsons, thank you for the encouragement to start my own blog. Maybe God will lead me in that direction one day. But it sure does seem like alot of work. Your site is nice too.
27. JohnC
June 8, 2006
12:49 AM
I do think this is an important topic and am glad you are discussing it openly. I would even take it as far as the subject could justify its own blog.
I am curious as to how bloggers handle James 3, which begins with “My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.” What do you consider teaching? Are you “teaching” when you are talking with another person face-to-face? So what about a few thousand in electronic form? I do like D’s point that you denote when you are stating fact versus opinion - I personally think that helps to alleviate some of the responsibility of this verse and is under-practiced by the majority of Christian bloggers.
Of the very limited blog browsing I have done, I would like to note my observation is that Scripture references are often neglected. For blogging truly to be God-glorifying, I think God’s Word is a very necessary element.
28. Brian Thornton
June 8, 2006
8:59 AM
“I suppose for me personally they are lesser”
“I know that there are downsides to having a comment section but if you actually ever succeed in getting Tim to remove this feature it will be a great loss to this site.”
I would guess that most would agree with these statements, and say that those blogs that do not allow for comments are “lesser” than the ones that do.
Why is that?
What is it about us that has to have that outlet to put our two cents in, even if while we are doing it and the forum in which we do it may be violating God’s design for communication and authority?
I have seen here the use of the word “fellowship” more than once, both in a correct and - I believe - incorrect sense. Fellowship is: companionship, a mutual sharing, or a group of people with the same interests. This can and should take place within the design of the church, the body of Christ. I have a hard time seeing how it can exist in the context of a site full of comments coming from a whole spectrum of diverse beliefs and religions, especially since there is really no way to know who it is that is making comments (the T4G, Reformation21, and GirlTalk blogs have gotten as close to this as possible, I think, by limiting comments to those who are running the blog…that way, the “community” of who is commenting is known and controllable).
With much respect, I disagree with Tim’s use of the characterization of blogs holding to a form of fellowship as in a church. There are so many factors that are not known and outright uncontrollable, that I would say that instead of blogs (that allow comments) holding to some sort of fellowship, that they instead resemble more something that holds to some sort of chaos (which is defined as extreme confusion or disorder).
If those reading this and other blogs would put as much time and effort and energy into their local church (personally interacting with those brothers and sisters within their local body, investing their time and energy and love and wisdom) as they do reading and commenting and responding and refuting others on various blogs that allow comments, could it be that the church might begin to shape the culture…instead of being shaped by it?
Grace and peace to all those here who name the name of Christ. To those who don’t, you already stand condemned before a holy and just God who will judge you one day in righteousness (and if you stand alone that day in front of the Righteous Judge with only your righteousness as your defense…God have mercy on your soul). But, praise God, He has given His son to die as a substitute and to pay the penalty for all those who would believe in Him alone for their salvation. Repent and trust in Him alone for the forgiveness of your sins, and you too will know what it means to experience grace and have peace, and what it really means to have ‘fellowship’ one with another.
29. 4ever4given
June 8, 2006
9:35 AM
Brian…. I beg to totally differ with you in the most gracious way. I am under the authority of my husband in this blogosphere other world-type of communication. I have been edified, challenged, encouraged… I have been refined and my husband has seen growth in my Christian walk, my ability to articulate truth in a more gracious manor (still needs work). He is supportive and so is my church. And if you want to contact my church and ask them if I minister to my church family outside of this blog world, by all means, go for it. As a matter of fact, my blog is a small part of my ministry to my church family. I have been told NUMEROUS times how important the comments are. It is a teaching and refining tool.
30. blestwithsons
June 8, 2006
10:03 AM
I too must disagree…
If those reading this and other blogs would put as much time and effort and energy into their local church (personally interacting with those brothers and sisters within their local body, investing their time and energy and love and wisdom) as they do reading and commenting and responding and refuting others on various blogs that allow comments, could it be that the church might begin to shape the culture…instead of being shaped by it?
Well, that what include you too, eh Brian? (wink) Actually, I substitute television - passively soaking in the lives of fake people with no interaction - for blog participation and you might be on to something.
Writing a blog is work. Especially if you’re trying to say anything of substance. For many of us, attempting to write a blog where we glorify God has led to growth because it has increased our study time and made us more conscious of the responsibility of going “public” with our writing as Christians.
Debates in comment threads - such as this one - help us to shape our beliefs and practice our skills for polite disagreement.
And blog friendships can certainly constitute a form of real fellowship. Do you have to be in the same town, state, or even country with someone to be friends or have fellowship with them? As a frequently moving military wife - I sure hope not!
I just wrote about the nature of blog fellowship a few days ago. Here’s a bit…
“What do you call a person who laughs and cries with you, encourages you when you’re down, prays with and for you when you’re suffering, and shares your joys and triumphs? What do you call a person who is interested in your thoughts, hopes and dreams - and will share theirs with you? I call that person a friend. C.S. Lewis in his classic book The Four Loves had this (and much more) to say about Friendship:
The typical opening of Friendship would be something like “What? You too? I thought I was the only one.” […] In this kind of love, as Emerson said, Do you love me? means Do you see the same truth? - Or at least, “Do you care about the same truth?” The man who agrees with us that some question, little regarded by others, is of great importance can be our Friend. He need not agree with us about the answer.
Of course, women are probably a little more prone to forming close e-relationships, since we are more into “sharing” our lives… :-)
31. John Smith
June 8, 2006
10:45 AM
“What is it about us that has to have that outlet to put our two cents in,”
When I read your comments, that’s exactly what’s going through my mind.
32. Tom Jones
June 8, 2006
11:48 AM
OMG! You said s*x!
33. Lynn
June 8, 2006
1:00 PM
“In that case, what of those blogs that do not allow for comments, such as James White’s Alpha & Omega blog, GirlTalk, Al Mohler’s blog, Together for the Gospel blog, and Reformation21?” Quote by Brian Thornton
Brian, funny you should mention specifically those two blogs. Those are the two I read faithfully every day. I think I need to include Tim’s blog in that too. I’ve read his two days in a row.
“If those reading this and other blogs would put as much time and effort and energy into their local church (personally interacting with those brothers and sisters within their local body, investing their time and energy and love and wisdom) as they do reading and commenting and responding and refuting others on various blogs that allow comments, could it be that the church might begin to shape the culture…instead of being shaped by it?” Quote by Brian Thornton
I tend to agree with you on the above comment as well.
34. 4ever4given
June 8, 2006
1:02 PM
Obviously this is not my blog. ha. But if you were to post something like “OMG! You said s*x!” on my blog, i would write something like. “How sadly trollish of you.”
35. meg
June 8, 2006
1:06 PM
Since you asked for feedback (and boy you got it, judging by the previous comments):
I think Travis mentioned a few comments ago that a few of us were forced not too long ago to consider blogging in a more serious light. What is a blog, and, more importantly, what is our responsibility as bloggers? This is what i came up with:
http://www.steppinginfaith.com/meghan/?p=15
which is along a lot of the same lines as your post, except in a slightly different direction. (i didn’t talk about sex. maybe i should do that if i want to get more comments? just kidding.)
36. Lisa
June 8, 2006
3:44 PM
Evidenced by my last comment, i am still in need of discernment regarding when NOT to type “outloud” what I am thinking. Apologies Mr. Jones. Though I do not find your comment appropriate, mine is not either. Ex Animo, Lisa
37. Kenny Archbold
June 8, 2006
5:47 PM
Blessedwithsons said: Debates in comment threads - such as this one - help us to shape our beliefs and practice our skills for polite disagreement.
For me I have found that I have been forced to clearly define for myself what I believe and why I believe it and what specific scripture is the source of this belief and it has greatly improved my in person conversations because I have already done the research on many things that come up in conversation and I don’t have to say “I’ll have to get back to you later”
I really see this as a bible study group and whatever rules of authority would apply to a bible study might apply here. You (Tim) are the male leader of the discussion and I have never been to a Bible study where women are not allowed to comment (though I am still confused not knowing if that is even biblical). Also if unbelievers are to attend the assembly the bible says that they are to remain silent. So if you want to keep with this train of thought maybe unregenerate comments should be screened and paraphrased with a response (I don’t think that they should be ignored altogether.) If you want to define a blog as being similar to a bible study group then how would that effect sites run by women? Do they need disclaimers ” NO MEN ALLOWED”? I really don’t know.
38. Bonnie
June 8, 2006
9:05 PM
“For example are you egalit. or compl.?”
Please, for learning’s sake, what do these abbreviations mean?
39. david
June 8, 2006
9:44 PM
Bonnie,
Egalitarian- no distinctions between male and female.
Complimentarian- men and women are equal but fulfill different roles.
40. Carla Rolfe
June 8, 2006
10:17 PM
Tim,
this was one of your best, for certain. I’d like to address a specific question you asked:
“Is it possible that blogs are interfering with God-given patterns of communication and authority?”
Not only is it possible, it does happen. I think we all know that and I’m fairly certain I don’t need to give specific examples.
However, a “blog” isn’t some inanimate object, it’s a person, or in the case of group blogs, it’s several people. Every word we read on a blog is more or less words out of someone’s mouth (I think that’s obvious, but I also think we have this tendency to depersonalize when we say “blog” instead of keeping it obvious that it’s actually a person.)
The Christian blogging community being made up of countless different Christian “faith traditions” it’s inevitable that you’re going to run across all sorts of different personalities & styles of delivery as you read different blogs.
Some of those blogs will be written by women pastors. Some will be written by women who write against women pastors. Some will be men who support women pastors. Others will be men who write against women writing against women pastors because in so doing, she’s usurping authority over men and publicly teaching (or so they say). Still others will be both men and women blogging in support of women writing against women pastors.
So with this 1 issue alone, you’re bound to run into a monumentally wide variety of opinion on God given communication and authority issues.
Some view the Christian blogging community as an extension of the church, and have issues with women bloggers. Issues to the point that they won’t even link to them, even if they’re excellent blogs. Of course that’s their choice but the flip side to this are women who chastise other women for blogging on doctrinal & theological issues when (in their opinion) they honestly believe they should be blogging about quilting, jam making and child-rearing. Not that there is anything wrong with those things, I love jam, love a good quilt and engage in Biblical childrearing every day. However - this is just one example of the extremes you can see in the Christian blogging community as a direct result of the very issue you question.
Others view this medium in very much the same way as they would their own living room. A casual gathering of brothers and sisters discussing whatever issues come up, from a Biblical worldview. In such a setting both men and women raising points and asking questions. Men and women pointing to the Scripture and edifying one another.
I would fall into the latter category there. Having been online in mixed company for the last 13 years AND being a very conservative 5 pointer, I’ve probably had this very discussion at least 92 billion times. :o)
For me what it comes down to is personal responsibility, accountability and humility. Each individual blogger answers to the Lord for what they write, and we all know it. I’ve often thought that if we put those things into consideration before we ever hit “publish” to begin with, there might be a lot less tension out here in this community to begin with. (That advice absolutely applies to myself as well - I’ve had my fair share of posts that I wished later I’d never put up, or at least worded more carefully & thoughtfully).
Believe it or not, I actually have more to say on this, but my comment is already a mini-blog post. So I will simply end it here.
SDG… Carla
41. Photini
June 9, 2006
1:05 AM
I used to blog. I blogged a little too well, apparently, because there was even talk of a book. But here’s the thing: I was SO convicted about all of it, I couldn’t even sleep! So down went the blog. If you can blog AND sleep, then go for it, bro’.
42. Carla Rolfe
June 9, 2006
8:12 AM
Photini,
I just read your Calvinism piece and I just wonder how many Calvinists you’ve ever spoken to, to arrive at your conclusions? This piece charges us 5 pointers with heresy, which is a rather strong charge.
You further state “Regarding sin, Calvinists either try to convince themselves that they are without sin, and thus, members of the elite “elect;” or, they are honest with themselves about sin, but then doubt their salvation/”election.”
I just wonder if you still hold to this position or if this is an outdated page? Honestly, I’m hoping for the latter.
I realize this is off topic, but as the nature of blogging goes, when a commenter leaves a link in their sig, it’s interesting to see where they come from, theologically.
SDG…
43. Photini
June 12, 2006
5:33 PM
Hi, Carla,
Yeah, you’re not kidding this is “off-topic,” but, since you ask, not only have I “spoken” with “Five-Point Calvinists,” but I have friends who label themselves as such. They know I think they are heretics. They think I’m one, too. So there.
I must say, it is astonishng to me that a self-proclaimed Christian could read my entire conversion story, and remark only on the fact that I believe she is a heretic. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, why would you even care?
May God enlighten us all.
Peace, Photini
44. Carla Rolfe
June 14, 2006
12:30 PM
Photini,
I have reponded to your comment here.
Just fyi.
SDG