The Scandal
By now you have heard of the scandal involving Ted Haggard. Reaction to the news has ranged from sympathy to disgust, from support to condemnation. The media has dedicated a lot of attention to this story, though they seem to be writing about it as just another news story rather than something that is somehow bigger or more significant than any other story. Watchbloggers are out in force, like homeschool moms at a book sale, swarming and trampling. To this point I have refrained from mentioning the issue for reasons related primarily to my own lack of sanctification. But I feel now that I can speak out with some legitimacy.
Until this week I knew very little about Ted Haggard. I had heard his name a few times and even received a book of his from a publisher not too long ago (though I chose not to read it). Here in Canada we receive little news coverage of evangelical churches and leaders and I’m quite sure that, until this week, his name has never been mentioned in the Canadian media. Even now, the main pages of Canadian news sites have no mention of the story. And yet I realize that he is obviously an important individual who founded what has become a huge and important church and led an organization representing millions of Americans. Of greatest consequence, Haggard is a brother in Christ.
Like many of you, when I first heard the news of this scandal I wanted to know more. I wanted to know details and to have the whole story of his immorality printed before me. I wanted the lurid and gossipy details. Some sick and depraved part of me wanted to know it all, no doubt so I could compare myself to him and account myself somehow superior to him. Thankfully, this was but my first instinct and was obviously the desires of the “old man,” the part of me that delights in all that is evil and contrary to God. God was good to show me that I should not long after such things.
What I felt next was little better. I felt pity. This was not true sympathy, but pity that Haggard could be such a sinner; such a depraved individual. I felt sorry for a guy who could desire something so base, so sinful. Who would want to use meth? Who could feel that type of homosexual desire? I don’t understand such urges! I felt comfortable in my moral superiority and in my greater sanctification. I felt proud that I was not one of those guys whose life was such a far cry from his profession of faith.
And then I watched the video of Haggard being interviewed in front of his home. I’d encourage you to watch the video too, focusing on Haggard, watching his eyes, watching his face. You can find the link here. Remember as you watch that this is not a film and he is not an actor. This is a real man with a real life, a real soul, and real emotions. And now watch it again, but this time watch his wife, sitting immediately beside him. And not only that, but consider that sitting behind him are three of his children. The children sit silently while the reporter asks dad if he has done meth and if he has ever had sex with a man.
And then realize that, as we explored earlier this week in a discussion about total depravity, there is really no difference between you and Haggard or between myself and Haggard. We are all totally depraved with our sin extending to every aspect of our being. There but for the grace of God go I. There but for the grace of God go you. While I would not expect a reporter to approach me if I were to fall into similar sin, I can only imagine the pain of having to sit in front of my children, my wife, and answer questions about whether or not I have had sex with a man or admitting that I purchased illegal drugs. It’s horrible. It’s terrifying. That could be my wife, wondering how I could do this to her, wondering if she can ever trust me again, wondering if she can ever love me again. Those could be my kids, hearing the lurid details of dad’s depravity. Those could be my kids, trying bravely not to cry as they walk into school on Monday morning, knowing that everyone knows, knowing that life will never be the same.
I went from wanting to know details, to feeling pity to feeling terror to pleading with God to continue to extend His grace to me that I would not fall. Jonathan Edwards, in his most famous sermon, spoke about God’s sovereignty and how, at any given moment, it is only the sovereign grace of God that keeps Him from ending a person’s life. Marsden writes, “The subject of the sermon is that at this very moment God is holding sinners in his hands, delaying the awful destruction that their rebellion deserves.” Edwards said, “You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his price: and yet ‘tis nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment: ‘tis to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last night…but that God’s hand has held you up: there is no other reason to be given why you han’t gone to hell since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship: yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you don’t this very moment drop down into hell. Oh sinner! Consider the fearful danger you are in.” What is true of eternity, is equally true of the temporal. Just as nothing but God’s hand keeps both Christian and non-Christian from death at any given moment, the same hand is all that restrains any of us from falling into sin as dreadful as Haggard’s, or sin that is far worse.
Paul’s exhortation of 1 Corinthians 10:12 has been much on my mind this weekend. “Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.” Oh, that God would keep me from relying more on my effort and less on His grace. I pray and beg and plead that His grace would continue to extended to me that I would take heed, that I would continue to fill my heart with His Words of life.
There are some who are seeking to make this issue into something almost prophetic, as if it is indicative of the state of evangelicalism. “The Reformed Gadfly,” whose post was endorsed by Slice of Laodicea writes, “I’m sick and tired of being associated with a ‘Christianity’ that does not seem to care one whit about holiness or obedience to God’s Word. Let me say this as perfectly clear as I can: I believe that ‘Christianity’ in America is nearly totally apostate. Why? We have abandoned the vision of the Holiness and Fear of God. We’ve built a false god that will cater to our flesh and meet our ‘felt needs’. Our real need? Repentance. But we don’t want to go there. We live in Laodicea. No apologies. Cut and dried. Stuff like this can only happen because contemporary Christianity is rotten to the core.”
No, no, no! Stuff like this happens because we are rotten to the core! Stuff like this happens because I am rotten to the core. Oh, that we would all take heed! How can we be sick and tired of being associated with other sinners? I am the greatest sinner I know and can only delight to be in the presence of other sinners, others with whom I can share God’s grace and from whom I can learn more about God’s grace. The Christian I am most sick and tired of being associated with me, for my sin is before me always! Every day I have to peer into my dark heart and beg God for forgiveness. Every day I see again how my heart is dark and black and awful and filled with emnity towards God. Every day I see in my heart that I am no different than Ted Haggard. But for the grace of God I would do so much more and so much worse. Take heed. I sit here and weep for Haggard and his family and his church, but selfishly, I weep even more for myself, knowing that I, too, could be in such a situation. What is in Haggard is in me. What is in me is in you. But for the grace of God…
Despite all the darkness and the grief, this situation gives me some hope and some cause to rejoice. New Life Church seems to have handled this situation very well. I know nothing of the church beyond what has appeared in the news and what Phillip Ryken wrote of it at the Reformation21 blog. “I visited New Life Church when it was in its popular ascendancy about a decade ago. The strongest impression I had on that particular Sunday was a palpable absence of the gospel — lots of feel-good worship and moralistic exhortation to lead a good life, but little in the way of a biblical message of repentance for sin and grace in Christ. Yet this is the only gospel that can save any of us who are guilty of scandalous sins.” They have certainly moved quickly and decisively in this situation, examining the evidence and taking swift action in removing Haggard from his position of authority. This seems like the right thing to do based on their conclusion that “Our investigation and Pastor Haggard’s public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct.” This was good to see and bodes well for the church. I hope this situation strengthens the church, causing its members to look long and hard at their own lives.
But there is more reason to hope. Bill Kinnon pointed out to me the subject of Haggard’s sermon just one week ago. Haggard preached “from 1 Samuel 16 on God’s preparation for the removal of one King, Saul, with his replacement, David. An interesting passage to cover in a church where the leadership model more closely resembled Kings and Chronicles, than that of New Testament leadership. The preacher was speaking about the forthcoming US midterm elections. Talking about how God removes some leaders and replaces them with others. One might see the preaching as prophetic for the events in the last week.” Mere seconds into the sermon, Haggard prayed that lies and deception would be exposed. “Father, we pray that lies would be exposed. We pray that deception would be exposed.” I can but hope that Haggard’s prayer was sincere and that God took him at his word, answering his prayer. I can only hope that Haggard realizes this and turns to God in full repentance.
And I can only hope that, when you and I ask God to answer our prayers and to save us from our sin, to unmask the sin that haunts us, that He will be so swift to answer. I sometimes hesitate to ask God that he will deal with the sin in my life in whatever way He deems necessary to get me to actually change my ways. And yet, in my best moments, I ask Him to do anything necessary, no matter how difficult, no matter how humiliating, to draw me closer to Him and to mold me ever more into His image. If I’ve been intimidated before, I will be even more so now. And yet I see that He can and will answer.
If we look to Ted Haggard as a representative of all that is wrong in Evangelicalism, I think we miss the most important lesson. The lesson we need to learn is that we are every bit as sinful and fallible and willful and depraved as Haggard; perhaps more so. It is only the grace of God that, like a spider being held over the flame by a nearly-invisible web, prevents me from giving in to all the sin that is in me and being dragged down by it. Oh, that He would continue to extend this grace! And oh, that I would take heed lest I, too, fall, for what is in Haggard is in me.


Comments (148) »
1. Donnell Duncan
November 6, 2006
11:01 AM
Ok Tim, this comment is directly for you. Wow! I woke up this morning and considered writing about this topic but God gave me something else. After reading your message, I know why. God bless you brother and you have earned your place at the top of the God Blogosphere!
2. Alex
November 6, 2006
11:05 AM
Stuff like this happens because I am rotten to the core.
Thank you.
3. WES
November 6, 2006
11:15 AM
Your comment on this situation reminds me of Sufjan Stevens song about John Wayne Gacy.
And in my best behavior I am really just like him Look beneath the floorboards For the secrets I have hid
4. Dluxe
November 6, 2006
11:18 AM
Wow… thanks, Tim.
The lesson we need to learn is that we are every bit as sinful and fallible and willful and depraved as Haggard; perhaps more so.
Indeed…
In church yesterday, someone stated that the Gospel might be harmed by the Ted Haggards of the world. If we are preaching a “Try Harder! Moral Perfection!” gospel, I suppose that’s true.
Of course, that isn’t really much of a gospel at all. Praise God that His grace is greater than our sin, and that His Spirit is working to conform us to Christ.
5. Kyle
November 6, 2006
11:29 AM
Tim,
Thank you for this wonderful post. Ever since I first learned of the then very unclear scandal of Ted Haggard last Thursday, I have been simply heartsick, and nearly obsessed with this story. I ache for Haggard, knowing full well the lure of sin and darkness in my own heart, and pleading with God for grace to keep me from following sin’s enticement to a similar place. I ache for Haggard’s family, terrified for what his wife and children will face in the coming days, months, and years. I tremble for the bride of Christ, and agonize over the laughably imperfect reflection of the Savior we offer the world.
But I had not come across a blog or article who seemed to share the same compassion. Most of what I have read has been very harsh and condemnatory, railing Haggard as a phony and a fraud - until just now. I believe the heart of our Lord is evident in your words, Tim.
Thank you. And may God’s grace preserve us all, and sustain the Haggard family in these unimaginably difficult days.
Kyle
6. lisa4given
November 6, 2006
11:45 AM
And who and what are ministers themselves? Frail men, fallible, sinning men, exposed to every snare, to temptation in every form; and, from the very post of observation they occupy, they are an easier target for the fiery darts of the foe. They are not trite victims the great Adversary is seeking, when he would wound and cripple Christ’s ministers. One such victim is worth more to the kingdom of darkness than a number of common men; and for this very reason their temptations are probably more subtle and severe than those encountered by ordinary Christians. If this subtle Deceiver fails to destroy them, he cunningly aims at neutralizing their influence by quenching the fervor of their piety, lulling them into negligence, and doing all in his power to render their work burdensome. How perilous is the condition of that minister then, whose heart is not encouraged, whose hands are not strengthened, and who is not upheld by the prayers of his people! It is not in his own closet and on his own knees alone, that he finds security and comfort, and ennobling, humbling, and purifying thoughts and joys; but it is when they also seek them in his behalf, that he becomes a better and happier man, and a more useful minister of the everlasting Gospel! —Gardiner Spring
What should we do about all of this? PRAY FOR OUR PASTORS!!!
7. Dan Phillips
November 6, 2006
11:53 AM
Yes/but
This particularly resonates with me: The Christian I am most sick and tired of being associated with me
Indeed. I’ve come to feel intensely that the one thing about the world that I’ll miss the least, in the presence of God, is ME, as I am now.
Having said that, is it possible to go too much in the there-but-for-the-grace-of-God direction? Does rotten theology not have rotten consequences? I would disagree.
8. Michael
November 6, 2006
11:54 AM
…um, tears are the first reaction to your post. Not for Mr. Haggard, but for me. I can search a dark heart as well my brother. I’m sickened as your are, and over joyed at the reality that my destiny (and Haggards) depends on the Holiness of another! Praise God! Thank you for sharing your heart today. And praise God for this line in your post, “that I would continue to fill my heart with His Words of life”. Oh that news like this would only drive us all harder into the word.
9. Joshua
November 6, 2006
12:00 PM
This guy was the one evangelical that Barbara Walters interviewed for the CTV presentation on Heaven that was on early in the year.
10. John Samson
November 6, 2006
12:00 PM
Tim,
This article is simply outstanding! I pray that it will be widely read and applied, especially in my own heart and life.
11. DLE
November 6, 2006
12:08 PM
Tim,
One of your better posts, for sure. I agree with everything you wrote.
I fear for the people who take a “Laodicea” position on this, setting themselves apart. It’s that kind of kingmaker mentality that creates the very problem those folks complain against. There’s no humility in saying, “We would never do something like that!”
While it may be true that you or I might be relatively immune to one kind of temptation, another might be waiting to take us down. Sure, drug abuse and perverted sexuality are great for the headlines, but the Lord hates pride more than anything else, and some of us Christians are towing along a barge full of it.
I blogged about the Haggard issue, tying it into the series I just completed on community. Many of the sin issues we see in the lives of Christian leaders reach epic proportions because the Body of Christ is not practicing true community. Real community recognizes that pastors are no different from the rest of the people within the local church community. They are fellow brothers and subject to the same temptations we are. But while we may allow ourselves the grace of confession to others in the community, we don’t allow pastors the same grace. Pastors know that in most cases, even confessing the slightest sin will get them removed from their role as pastor. I fear that’s a double standard: we hold pastors to too stringent a standard. They feel the need to cover up any and all things in order to preserve their jobs. I’ve known pastors blackballed from a denomination for sinning in ways that the ordinary guy in the pew does without even thinking. That kind of bombastic knee-jerk reaction perpetuates the problem.
A real community would allow pastors to confess those sins without fear of life-destroying consequences. Yes, all sin has consequences, but if we don’t give the grace to nip “small” things in the bud before they blossom into monstrosities, then we’re only setting the pastorate up for major falls.
Almost every pastoral fall begins because the pastor knows that people will overreact. Our congregations treat him as a person apart and not one of us, so why should he think any different? This problem lies at the core of almost every noted pastoral failure of the last century.
We must allow our pastors to be human. We must include them in our community and bear their burdens just like we would each others’. We must not be surprised our pastors sin. We must extend them the same grace we are willing to extend to our “ordinary” brothers and sisters. Only then will we stop the relentless pastoral tragedies that can afflict your church or mine.
12. Bobs
November 6, 2006
12:26 PM
Tim, With all due respect, I think you’ve missed an important point. You call Mr. Haggard “a brother in CHRIST”. From my reading of 1John, I have serious doubts that he is a brother. I believe our prayer for him should be for God to save him. In Grace alone! Bob
13. Wes Bredenhof
November 6, 2006
12:27 PM
Thanks, Tim. I think this is the most sensible blog post I’ve read on the matter.
14. Jeremy
November 6, 2006
12:27 PM
Tim,
I appreciate this post and am thankful for such a response. I think we can all agree with it. This is a sharp reminder that we are no different than the “worst” sinner.
I do have one problem with it though. This is not our usual response to unbelievers. We are quick to demonstrate mercy and grace towards others, as long as they are believers. Unbelievers, however, are another story. Let’s crucify them for even the slightest infraction (I can’t help but to be reminded of Bill Clinton’s similar situation). This backwards response seem completely contrary to the regular pattern of Scripture (1Cor. 5:9-13).
Peace,
Jeremy
15. diane
November 6, 2006
12:31 PM
Thank you Tim! You hit the nail on the head. This post is worth passing on to everyone I know and worth saving to read again and again and again.
from the chief of sinners, diane
16. Peter Smythe
November 6, 2006
12:44 PM
Tim, I agree with your empathy, but not with your doctrine. Ted Haggard, as a born-again Christian, does not possess an evil heart nor is he a sinner. As a born-again believer, however, he must deal with what the Word calls death-doomed flesh. Paul speaks of keeping his body under with its lusts and appetites. The Word also demonstates to us that unclean (evil) spirits work to influence believers to their destruction. Nothing in the Word says or even implies that they have discontinued this work.
17. deborah
November 6, 2006
12:46 PM
Bobs, Having just finished re-reading 1 John, after reading your comment, what specifically do you have in mind when you doubt if Haggard is a brother? Is it that he sinned or the type of sin or is it something else?
18. joythruChrist
November 6, 2006
12:48 PM
Tim, thanks. >>tears<<
19. billmelone
November 6, 2006
12:51 PM
Awesome post. Its great to see how you thought through this and examined your heart. There is nothing between us and hell but air. Good theology doesn’t keep me up. Good theology recognizes that God keeps me up, my brain is subject to God. And I do believe that Haggard is a brother in Christ, he’s already displaying repentance. Thanks again tim!
20. Bob Hayton
November 6, 2006
12:52 PM
Thank God for this post. Truly, it is an answer to prayer. I have prayed that Christ would be exalted even through the blatant ugliness of this whole affair, and I am sure others have as well.
I would like to just add one further level of thought. Yes, Ted is a sinner. Yes, we are too. And oh, we should let it sink in just how horrible we all really are. And yes, too, despite the assurances to the contrary by postmodern and liberal theologians, God’s wrath is suspended over us, and naught but grace stays His Holy Hand. And we are thus beckoned forcefully to thank God unceasingly for that grace.
But let us not forget Christ as the Reason for that grace. Let us be sure to lift Him up. And let us be sure to trumpet the Gospel as the unmistakably jaw-dropping truth that it is. That because of God giving up His only Son Jesus—the most Worthy and Holy Individual there is—He thereby offers to us—the most wicked and despicable, undeserving creatures there are—infinite and priceless grace. He places all of Ted’s black sins, and all the as yet unseen or unappreciated black sins of my own heart, and yours, on His Spotless Son—the Lamb of God—and then provides for people like Ted and you and me infinite Righteousness and Holiness. So that He not only restores us, even as Ted’s wife has been willing to restore her guilty husband, but that He raises us up to an unspeakable level of honor. We become joint heirs with Christ! By means of Jesus’ very blood, we inherit all of Jesus’ wealth!
Let us be shocked anew at the wonder of such an incredible message. Let us be amazed at the wonder of grace, as measured not only by the depths of our own sin but by the heights of the Glory of that Perfect Lamb Who was sacrificed on our behalf!
Worthy, Worthy is the Lamb! Glory be to our Great God and Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ!
21. Tim Challies
November 6, 2006
12:52 PM
Bobs - See this article regarding “the ultimate human judgment.”
Dan Phillips wrote: “Having said that, is it possible to go too much in the there-but-for-the-grace-of-God direction? Does rotten theology not have rotten consequences? I would disagree.”
I thought immediately of Luke 13:4: “Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem?” It is entirely possible that rotten theology has rotten consequences but I don’t know that we can state that this situation is the consequence of that kind of sin.
“Ted Haggard, as a born-again Christian, does not possess an evil heart nor is he a sinner.”
Oh boy.
22. mccarnan no. 3
November 6, 2006
12:54 PM
thanks, tim. it’s refreshing to read someone edifyingly, tactfully, truthfully, and ‘Christlike-ly’ approaching a scandal. keep this up. ‘things like this happen because we/i am rotten to the core.’ amen. amen!
23. Jabbok
November 6, 2006
12:54 PM
I’ve heard the name “Haggard” but I wasn’t familiar with him or his ministry. Neither had I heard anything regarding this scandal until I read your article this morning. Your sentiments expressed what I love most about the reformed men of old. They were mindful of their own corrupt nature and often prayed, “Lord, deliver me from myself.” I believe what you’ve expressed is the attitude and way of thinking that we as individual Christians should possess. I think the role of this man’s church is a little different. It falls on them to bind or to loosen. As individuals they should be reminded of the things you have written but as a church their task is different. It falls on them to discipline and to seek to restore to fellowship. However, if the accusations are true I personally don’t believe he can return to ministry.
Our Sunday School class, two weeks ago, was in Genesis 20 where Abimalech took Sarah, Abraham’s wife, and God said to him, “I kept you from sinning against me.” God does indeed hold us in His hand.
24. Jason
November 6, 2006
1:03 PM
Tim,
Thanks for expressing so well what I have been feeling and thinking about this situation. You stated it so much more clearly than I could have.
Jason
25. Jerry M
November 6, 2006
1:04 PM
I have no desire to jump on Haggard for sinning, etc. The problem I have is with the utter disconnect he must have functioned under to preach that Jesus saves and delivers while he was living this kind of lifestyle. He knew the Bible well enough to know that he had disqualified himself from ministry long ago - and yet chose to stay until God exposed his sin.
I pray that God would put a hedge about our evangelical leaders and keep them from darkening the light that our world so desperately needs to see and hear from the church.
26. Jonah
November 6, 2006
1:09 PM
Tim your thoughts come at a crucial time. As I write I’m resisting the overwhelming temptation to respond to Peter Smythe’s comment, cuz’ it’s like chewing tin foil.
I don’t like Haggard’s doctrine any more than I like most charismatic perspective. But I’m reminded of Luke 18:10 and following. Over at Fide-O it even turned into a rather heated and superfluous debate of Arminianism vs. Calvinism. I couldn’t believe it. Is that what we’re talking about? Certainly not. If nothing else, this sad escapade is to serve as a burning landmark of our own inability to serve God. It is only by his grace that we are called the Sons of God.
Thank you for your tempered and timely article.
-Jonah
27. Tyler
November 6, 2006
1:13 PM
Incredible article! Were it not for grace, where would we all be but wallowing in a mire of self-deception and sin!
28. Wyeth Duncan
November 6, 2006
1:15 PM
The only thing I can say in response to your post is “Amen”. I’m glad you waited some days before writing. It was a blessing to read what you had to say.
I would also add, I agree with DLE when he writes that pastors “are fellow brothers and subject to the same temptations we are. But while we may allow ourselves the grace of confession to others in the community, we don’t allow pastors the same grace. Pastors know that in most cases, even confessing the slightest sin will get them removed from their role as pastor.”
That’s true. Too many of us are too quick to condemn without ever considering that the only thing that keeps us from falling head-long into the sins we condemn in others is God’s grace.
Thank you for your post.
Wyeth Duncan
29. Jay
November 6, 2006
1:24 PM
Thanks for your transparency Tim. That’s the best assesment I’ve read or heard on all of this. I really appreciate what you do.
30. Brian T. at voiceofthesheep
November 6, 2006
1:24 PM
Tim, Interesting post. I have commented on this whole thing from a little different perspective. Not one that poors more condemnation upon the man or sets me apart from Haggard, necessarily, but from a perspective that asks questions such as:
I agree that the Haggard’s church seems to have acted swiftly and appropriately…but unfortunately, AFTER the fact.
What needs to be done within the visible church to prevent these types of things BEFORE they ever begin?
Thanks.
31. Lin
November 6, 2006
1:26 PM
Jerry wrote: He knew the Bible well enough to know that he had disqualified himself from ministry long ago - and yet chose to stay until God exposed his sin. >>
This really is key to all of this and what really scares me. Yes, we are all sinners but not all of us are teachers or shepherds. And as James says, not all of us should be.
This came up while studying Hebrews 10:26-31 at Bible Study. A ministers wife (not senior minister) brought up that we should not judge him and that she willfully sins everyday as a gossip and has for years. There is a disconnect somewhere with sanctification if we are ‘willfully’ sinning when we have the knowledge of truth.
Lest anyone misunderstand, I am a horrible sinner. But are we teaching the full truth about sin? If someone loves me, they will point out my sin and rebuke me. With serious accountability as a pastor, he could not have gotten by with this for 3 years. We are creating celebrity preachers we dare not rebuke.
His church has handled this very well after the facts and I praise God for that. I cannot stand to think of his wife and children. It makes me sick for them.
32. Jon
November 6, 2006
1:30 PM
Amen
33. clyde
November 6, 2006
1:34 PM
i also thought much about that sufjan stevens song this morning.
look beneath the floorboards…
34. Bobs
November 6, 2006
1:35 PM
Tim, Thanks for your referral to the earlier post. It was most helpful. My conviction in this present scandal is based on the continuing sin which the Apostle warns is evidence of unbelief. But I am appreciative of your caution. Im CHRIST alone. Bob
35. Marla
November 6, 2006
1:42 PM
Everything you say is true, Mr. Challies. And I agree wholeheartedly with your very biblical and truthful telling of what we ALL are like to the core. I spent 25 years as an unbeliever doing things and making decisions that were heinous and an offense to God. I can honestly say that almost every day I am aware and inexpressably thankful that God forgave me for all I did and pulled me out of the mire for no other reason than because of His Son.
However, (I’m sure you could sense this coming) isn’t anyone tired of the offense and reproach that is brought to the name of Christ when a prominent member of our Body falls? I just get a little angry when I hear of these kind of stories. I wonder, what kind of life was this person living that allowed entry of this kind of sin? Weren’t they accountable to someone? I can think of three stories recently (two in my state) where prominent people have had to step down from ministry. And I’m starting to get a little mad.
I wonder if part of the problem is that we really don’t believe the bible when it says “If you live according to the flesh YOU WILL DIE.” Do we somehow think those warnings don’t apply to our pristine Christian lives? I think we need some real hellfire and brimstone preachers in this country to stop the cream puff sermons on having a purpose driven life and start preaching that a Judgement is coming and it will START with the House of God. I think we should all have a healthy “fear” of offending the God who saved us. We should live accountable lives toward our brothers and sisters and do our best not to allow our wrong desires to give birth to sin. And we need to take seriously the dire warnings in scripture of living with sin. The children of Israel were saved out of bondage in Egypt, yet most of them did not inherit the promised land because of their disobedience and lack of faith. That should be an example to us.
Marla
36. Dr Mike
November 6, 2006
1:46 PM
I left the following comment at Jim Martin’s post earlier today; his post is a thoughtful and insightful one, much like yours.
Haggard’s sin is a sad but all-too familiar story for those of us old enough to remember Bakker and Swaggart, or to have read Elmer Gantry.
[Jim] noted the importance of being “faithful in the ‘little things.’” In the language of sexual addictions, this is known as SUDs: Seemingly Unimportant Decisions. [Jim is] quite right: if sin were to present itself blatantly, most of us would reject it immediately; boil us like a frog, however, and we wind up immersed in hot water and realize it too late.
I do not doubt Haggard’s repentance but am concerned about whether or not he realizes the depth of the problem. In his statement (read to New Life Church; available as a .pdf file - his wife’s statement is also available) he spoke of his regret and remorse, but also (in what appears at first to be merely peculiar):
“and I”? This is the leakage of a narcissistic personality, something quite often found to be foundational to addictions, including sexual ones. He says, too, that
We all need to think through what we believe “recovery” from any addiction actually is. It is not merely the arrest of sinful behavior, as important as that is as a starting point; recovery is the transformation accomplished through the renewing of our mind and the development of Christ-like character in us. Addictions are symptomatic of deep characterologic flaws. They must be managed first but then treated deeply.
Sadly, Haggard also says,
This should alert and frighten us. His life was, without question, a lie; the statement above is no less a lie. He was a consumate hypocrite and hypocrites are behavioral (rather than verbal) liars. That does not seem to have changed as of yet.
To his credit, he has repented as best he knows how. We need to pray for him, of course, but we also need to pray for our own pastors.
Driscoll’s comments on this matter have some merit regardless of what one might think of him. We need to listen to the message and ignore the messenger: Mark has some very good advice for any Christian, engaged in vocational ministry or not.
37. Liinda
November 6, 2006
1:46 PM
Haggard prayed that lies and deception would be exposed. “Father, we pray that lies would be exposed. We pray that deception would be exposed.” I can but hope that Haggard’s prayer was sincere and that God took him at his word, answering his prayer. I can only hope that Haggard realizes this and turns to God in full repentance.
Well said. I take heed. This is a wake up call to the ‘good’ folks. Might we ‘smite our breasts and pray, God have mercy on me, a sinner’. No room for self pride here. Thanks
38. Austin Storm
November 6, 2006
1:51 PM
Tim,
Thank you for this post.
39. Xavier Pickett of RBA
November 6, 2006
1:54 PM
…The irony is that with an intensely charged anti-homosexual atmosphere among the Christian and political right, no one condemns the homosexual behavior of Mike Jones. I do not say that to mean we ought to be gay bashing, but rather to expose the hypocrisy in this supposedly high moral ground on which conservative religious and political folks seem to stand on almost all the time. In other words, I have not heard one conservative say anything about Jones’ potentially dangerous homosexual lifestyle at least from a health perspective, let alone the ethical dimension since those are the normal conservative talking points on homosexual relationships. And the silence is just it! Because even the church has grossly failed to take advantage of this great gospel opportunity to speak boldly and lovingly to the homosexual community by coming along side of Jones who also may be hurt from this terrible situation. If I was a homosexual (and I am not) looking at how the church has largely neglected to love one of their major public figures who has been found to be participating in homosexual activities, why would I ever want to step foot inside a church or even talk to a Christian? But what would it mean for the broadly evangelical church that is known for its vastly anti-homosexual rhetoric to actually love the very same homosexual man who had an intimate relationship with their very own – the former president of National Evangelical Association? I don’t pretend to know all of what that would mean, but I’m sure national redemption couldn’t be too far behind. So until then, unfortunately, this incident not only speaks to Haggard’s scandal, but also to the evangelical church’s scandal. (For more, see - “Which Scandal: Haggard’s or The Evangelical Church’s?”)
40. Gordon Cloud
November 6, 2006
1:59 PM
This may just be the best post I have ever read.
41. Tom Stack
November 6, 2006
2:00 PM
Superb, Tim!
I’ve linked your grace-filled reflections on on my site here.
Tom Doctrine Matters
42. Harry
November 6, 2006
2:05 PM
Tim, you went right to the point! It is sin; sin in you, in me, in everyone. The symptom of that sin is wide-spread sexual immorality within the Church. Haggard wasn’t the only pastor in Colorado Springs guilty of sexual immorality and exposed in our local newspaper last week, he was just the one with the bigger name. There are thousands more across the US and Canada, and there are 100s of 1000s of every day people with hidden sexual sin in their lives. It is time to apply Heb. 12:15, 16, “See to it … that no one is sexual immoral …” We have a responsibility for one another. We, the church, failed Ted Haggard, but we are all failing those around us.
43. Dan Phillips
November 6, 2006
2:14 PM
Tim, I think you misread me; sorry if I was unclear.
When I asked whether rotten theology has rotten consequences, I didn’t mean bad external situations, except those situations caused by the attitudes and behavior caused by the sin.
What I meant was that ideas have consequences, that the springs of life flow from the heart (Proverbs 4:23). To re-word my point, isn’t it to be expected that a rot in the theology will result in rot in the life? It really has no connection whatever with Luke 13. We aren’t talking about something bad that happened to a nice person. We’re talking about something bad that someone did. When we look at his theology, we have concerns. Is it really wrong to ask if there’s a connection?
We strive to understand the Word truly not only because we want to know God, know the truth, and know the truth about God — but because our lives flow from our convictions.
Hope I’ve rephrased myself sufficiently.
44. Peter Smythe
November 6, 2006
2:21 PM
Tim, regarding your comments to my statement, what of Romans 5:5 that says, “and hope putteth not to shame; because the love of God hath been shed abroad in our hearts through [the] Holy Ghost which was given to us?” Or, Ephesians 3:17 that says, “that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith?” Or, Galatians 4:6 that says, “And because ye are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father?” How are those verses meshed with your premise that a born-again Christian is still a sinner at heart?
45. john umland
November 6, 2006
2:27 PM
excellent post. the problem wasn’t ecclesiastical structures, or correct theology, or enough piety, the problem was sin and the solution is Jesus and he is the only solution to our clay feet and corrupt flesh and hearts in need of sanctification. God is good jpu
46. Pappadeas
November 6, 2006
2:32 PM
Perfect! Thank you Tim.
47. joey
November 6, 2006
2:46 PM
Dan Phillips said
“We’re talking about something bad that someone did. When we look at his theology, we have concerns. Is it really wrong to ask if there’s a connection?”
My thought would be that if there was no connection between our doctrine and our actions, doctrine wouldn’t mean very much, would it? On the other hand, sound doctrine doesn’t make one immune to heinous sin. David is the obvious one who comes to mind.
48. DLE
November 6, 2006
2:54 PM
With all due respect to John Umland (#45), ecclesiastical structures and the other things he mentions absolutely DO make a difference. They put structures and systems in place that magnify the likelihood of sin causing problems or else they diminish it.
Systems and structures that allow temptation to be magnified cause failure. Everyone reading this now knows of at least one story where a local pastor ran off with the church secretary. A male and female working closely in a spiritually-charged atmosphere breeds that sort of behavior. If the pastor’s assistant were another heterosexual male, then obviously that problem would be greatly diminished.
That’s just one of thousands of structures/systems that can be modified to reduce the likelihood of moral failure.
Yes, sin is the problem. But that doesn’t mean we don’t take practical steps to reduce our chances to fall prey to it.
49. Brian T. at voiceofthesheep
November 6, 2006
2:58 PM
“the problem was sin and the solution is Jesus”
Unfortunately, this is an oversimplification that doesn’t really address anything pertinent to any specific problem within the church, including Haggard. Yes, we know the root of the problem is sin. But, the root to every problem is sin, isn’t it?
I think the Haggard mess (and others) should be evaluated beyond saying that he was a sinner like you and me, and there but by the grace of God go I. We know that already, don’t we?. But does saying that solve anything? am Surely we can and should look at how the visible church is structured and holds its members accountable, for one thing. But I think there are probably many other areas that could and should be critiqued as well.
For one, the church has got no sense of what it means to be the church anymore. And I think we are going to have to get our hands a little more dirty than just saying ‘sin is the problem and Jesus is the answer, and thank God I have not fallen to the same degree of that Ted Haggard over there…’
50. jel
November 6, 2006
3:16 PM
this was a very heartfelt post, very moving thank you!
God Blessing to you and your’s
51. John Ferguson
November 6, 2006
3:20 PM
Tim, thanks for the post. I’m reminded of theses words from Martin Luther during the fire of the Reformation:
“I am more afraid of my own heart than of the pope and all his cardinals.”
52. Peter Smythe
November 6, 2006
3:23 PM
With regard to Dan Phillips’s comments, Demas was called by Paul as a fellow servant in the work of the gospel. Later, he left Paul because he “loved the world.” Based upon Dan’s comments, Paul probably needed to rethink his theology. Or, another way of looking at it would be that Paul’s theology was not good enough for Demas.
53. thewitnessman
November 6, 2006
4:07 PM
well done for such a great article.
I see in your heart the same spirit that jesus had when he saw the Pharisees about to stone the woman to death. As you pointed out, we are all Ted Haggards in the end.
As brothers and sisters in Christ we must not just have the discernment of when to correct our brothers, but when to build them up too. Now that Ted has been humbled, we need to assist in building him into a better, stronger man than before. Good can still come of this.
But I have no doubt that we will, unfortunately, have some in the body of Christ that will take advantage of this. But it is at times like these that our hearts are tested. What really lies in the depths of our hearts; judgement or compassion?
Although what Ted did was morally unjustified, the reaction of others is equally so. To Jesus, lust was as bad as adultery. If we have lusted even once, then we are just as bad as Ted.
So, in the end, we are all in the same position here. Ted Haggard just has the courage to admit it.
54. ron
November 6, 2006
4:16 PM
Tim, I think what you wrote is a starting point before we press further into how should we look at this situations effects on the church as a whole. Yes, we need to understand and declare that each of us is capable of the worst sins. I am in my natural self no better than Ted Haggard or the worst sinner. Also, we have hope because our hope is in Christ. The victory is won. We can rejoice knowing that the elect will be redeemed.
That being said, Marla makes a point that seems to be very relevant. We should be grieving and praying for the Church at large first and foremost when things like this happen. Yes, we should pray for Mr. Haggard and his family, but too often it seems that is how Christians identify with facing a crisis like this. No, the fact is the Body has been damaged. Church leaders need to be encouraged to call all of us to grieve, and display public repentance that we continue to make idols out of people, and set ourselves up for these types of tragedy.
If you looked at Ted Haggard’s website before this all came out you would have seen a Ted Haggard glorifying website. Nothing like a Tim Challies website, which points its readers away from men, and towards our sovereign God. How is it that Christians who knew him stood by and allowed such an idol-like portrayal of him exist? Where is the discernment? Instead of people trying to defend, or explain the situation we need to start considering that first we should cover our mouths and cry out to God for ignoring the warnings.
Let’s pray and grieve for the whole church, and that God moves mightily to turn our hearts fully to him.
55. JoannainCa.
November 6, 2006
4:17 PM
< Watchbloggers are out in force, like homeschool moms at a book sale, swarming and trampling. >
Hey, I may push and shove but I DO NOT swarm and trample. :)
56. Blake Law
November 6, 2006
4:37 PM
At my best moments, I cry out for God to do anything necessary to get me to really repent of my sin and turn.
That spiders dangling metaphor is so powerful! It’s what I remember most from reading the sermon for the first time in 10th grade, and it seems like it’s what SO many people remember most about it since. What a powerful device the Lord has used to make things STICK to us
57. Lane Keister
November 6, 2006
4:41 PM
Thank you for this excellent article. My God continue to bless you in your ministry in the blogosphere. I am going to link to your blog.
58. billmelone
November 6, 2006
4:49 PM
Dan Phillips: I can see why you would see the Luke reference as not being quite what you meant, but the initial question you had for Tim was is it possible to go too much in the but-for-the-grace-of-God-I-go direction. I think that lacking theology does bring consequences, but we only have good theology/theopraxis because of the grace of God, and only to the extent that God gives it to us. Plus, the idea that we can go too far in the direction of the grace of God in anything has to be wrong.
59. Larry
November 6, 2006
4:53 PM
I don’t think this is an either/or proposition. We can both say ‘there but for the grace of God go I’ AND ‘this is symptomatic of serious problems with American evangelicalism’. Just as its not a stretch to say any of us could be taken captive by sin, it’s also not a stretch to say that only in a seriously disfunctional and flawed church (meaning nationally, not just his church only) could someone rise to such heights while simultaneously pursuing a path in direct oppostion to Christ.
60. Carly Staley
November 6, 2006
4:55 PM
What a time to ponder the parable of the tax collector and Pharisee. Thank you for reminding us of our own depravity, Tim.
61. Dan Phillips
November 6, 2006
5:12 PM
Peter — since my one point, made and reiterated and reillustrated, was that theology is related to conduct, and since you evidently are trying to disagree, I take it we’re to understand you to take the position that theology has no impact on conduct.
Bill — thanks for your thoughts. However, I never said we can go too far in the grace of God. Not the real grace of God. Now, there’s the “gutless grace” school, whose idea of grace is that it cancel’s sin’s guilt but doesn’t do much to its power. They’d certainly cry up “grace.” Is that the grace of the Bible?
The grace of God of which I read “has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age” (Titus 2:11b-12). My one point, again: the issues of life flow from the heart (Proverbs 4:23). The heart is characterized by convictions, beliefs, worldview. Bad fountainhead, bad spring.
Do not misunderstand. What I’m saying is my sole point IS my sole point. I’m not saying that scoring 100 on a really hard ST final will guarantee a holy walk. And just about everything Tim said resonated very well with me as well.
62. Peter Smythe
November 6, 2006
5:22 PM
Dan, actually I was just demonstrating that your underlying premise is flawed. From my reading, Joey picked up on the flaw too.
63. Samuel
November 6, 2006
5:26 PM
Tim,
Most of your comments were true. Yet I am not so sure they were well balanced. I am quite aware that any Christian can fall at anytime and that God’s grace is truly amazing. However I believe some people are also down playing sin and God’s holiness. We must be careful to not let the world teach us theology. We in America tend to soften up some of the Bible’s views because it really doesn’t fit our culture. Let’s take a step back, and really see what the Bible has to say about the issue of sin in the Church and go from there. May we also continue to pray for Ted and his family and church. And the Church as a whole, especially our leaders. May God give us more grace and love and with both a discernment for truth.
64. billmelone
November 6, 2006
5:43 PM
Dan- cool. Its just that your initial question to Tim about possibly ignoring the importance of stating rotten theology brings rotten practive implied that we can split God’s grace from our knowledge of him. It seems to me that that is what Slice (and reformed gadfly by extension) is often guilty of: talking about holiness/sinfulness but never talking as if they were part of the story of the bible. Talking about the ‘rotten’ theology of others/Haggard is what has been stated over and over again, and it seems that Tim is correcting an overstatement by the rest of the blogosphere, drawing us back into the most important place—the gospel.
Peter- I didn’t interact with you yet, but heres my perspective: I sinned today. I sinned yesterday and the day before that. If you take my profession of faith to be genuine, and think I’m not a sinner you’re saying I didn’t sin. Statements like that are nice, but don’t have any hands or feet in the real world.
65. billmelone
November 6, 2006
5:48 PM
Samuel, we can tell seeker-sensitive types that they don’t have enough understanding of God’s holiness all we want, but what really convinces them is the kind of sincerity that Tim is showing here by putting himself in the story of the gospel, talking about himself as if the gospel were true. Its far too easy to talk ABOUT the gospel, but that doesn’t convince anyone, and I know that from experience.
66. lisa4given
November 6, 2006
6:36 PM
“Bad theology will eventually hurt people and dishonor God in proportion to its badness.”(—John Piper)
“Theology is a lived discipline—we LIVE what we BELIEVE.”(—Al Mohler)
The man who has led the purest life, when he is brought before God by the humbling influence of the Holy Spirit, is the man who almost invariably considers himself to have been viler than anybody else.(—Spurgeon)
I apologize for so many quotes… but these men speak what I am thinking.
67. Keyser Soze
November 6, 2006
6:38 PM
Tim - just curious….why do you call Haggard a brother in Christ? What evidence would you use in support? I have a hard time understanding people saying someone is a brother in Christ when said subject’s (Haggard) theology and practice (obvious in this case) states to the contrary. Also interested in any Scriptural basis for giving people the benefit of doubt as “brothers” just on profession of faith with no evidence of salvation (this includes saying famous people are brothers/sisters like Rick Warren, Billy Graham, Jane Fonda etc). Isn;t everyone considered lost unless their is reason to think otherwise?
68. DJ
November 6, 2006
7:04 PM
Praise God for this post Tim! You have drawn us, like Jesus, to our own corrupt hearts and need for repentance. Thank you for saying these real and truthful words.
69. Keyser Soze
November 6, 2006
7:14 PM
One other question for those agreeing with Tim’s position on this - what occasions (if any) justify being disgusted with something and stating such and avoid being called graceless, unforgiving, etc? Isn’t it possible to be disgusted, repulsed and tired of phonies, yet still be graceful enough to say that left to my own devices, I am capable of the very same thing? I think a response needs to be balanced - mercy AND truth. That being said, I am not saying that Tim’s post was one sided, just that most of what I have read on various blogs and comments has been on the grace side - and minimizes the fact that Haggard is one sick dude (Christian or not)
70. thewitnessman
November 6, 2006
7:23 PM
Keyser Soze - Anyone who confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord is our brother. Our ‘brotherhood’ is not based on whether we keep the commands: ours is a brotherhood of faith. The world says ‘if you mess up then you go down’, but we are not of this world. If jesus can forgive the prostitute who would have engaged in sexually immoral stuff on many, many ocassions then he can forgive Ted Haggard.
We have all failed to keep the commands, so by your reasoning none of us are brothers. But the Bible is clear that we are all brother’s and sister’s in Christ. We have no right to say someone who believes in Christ is not our brother because he sinned; you too have sinned.
You say “isn’t everyone considered lost unless their is reason to think otherwise”. This seems strange and totally against the heart of Jesus. Yes, all are considered lost until they come to Christ - once they have made the confession that Jesus Christ is Lord then they are sons and daughters of God.
Do really think God is so callous that he would abandon one of his sons because he tripped up? Remember, before you answer, that if you have lusted then you have committed a sin just as great as Ted.
71. Tyler Wallick
November 6, 2006
7:30 PM
Witness - perhaps my post was misunderstood. My question was pertaining to the assumption someone is a believer. A Mormon would call themselves a Christian, yet their “Christ” is another Jesus. So a general profession in Christ means nothing - anyone can say it. Only ones life proves it. I guess that was my point…..
72. Tim Challies
November 6, 2006
7:38 PM
Keyser - I posted this link earlier, explaining my understanding of judging another person’s salvation. Essentially, I think we are not in a position to judge other people’s salvation. If a person claims to be a believer, I think we have little reason to anything other but give him the benefit of the doubt. Even a sin of this magnitude can be commited by a believer (which was kind of the point of my article, really).
73. Keyser Soze
November 6, 2006
8:03 PM
Tim - thanks for the link (sorry I missed it!). I appreciate your thought-out posts - always edifying whether I agree or not!
74. Brian T. at voiceofthesheep
November 6, 2006
8:11 PM
Essentially, I think we are not in a position to judge other people’s salvation. If a person claims to be a believer, I think we have little reason to anything other but give him the benefit of the doubt.
Tim, I am not coming down on the side of those who are questioning Haggard’s salvation (personally, I think that is counter-productive to any constructive dialogue about all of this), but your statements above need some clarification, I think.
You said that we are not in a position to judge another’s salvation, and that if a person claims to be a believer, then you think we have little reason to anything other than to give them the benefit of the doubt. I remember this discussion from January, and I don’t want to rehash a lot of it here. But (conjunction of contrast), are you making those statements above as a general broadsweeping declaration?
Are there no circumstances that would warrant treating a professing believer as an unbeliever?
Thanks.
75. Pastor Ken Silva
November 6, 2006
8:19 PM
Tim,
You quoted Reformed Gadfly from Slice: “Stuff like this can only happen because contemporary Christianity is rotten to the core.”
And then you say: “No, no, no! Stuff like this happens because we are rotten to the core! Stuff like this happens because I am rotten to the core.”
As the person who felt led of the Lord to use that quote from RG on Slice I need to tell you that both of these comments are true but you may have inadvertantly ended up phrasing this in the fallacy of the false analogy.
As Dr. John MacArthur recently said America has been abandoned by God, and I add with it an evangelicalism which never fully renounced its humanism. So, things like this happen because contemporary Christianity is rotten to the core (apples).
And things like this also happen as well because people themselves are rotten to the core (oranges). Both fruit (albeit in this case rotten) but still different. These comments are different sides of the same issue. Nothing prophetic, pathetic would be the better word.
The American Church is dying and its dying because we are rotten to the core and the sum total of these rotten parts are the Church. For me this has very little to do with Ted haggard himself but rather with Jesus telling Christians in America they had now better be hot or cold because there is more spewing coming.
For more you are welcome to check out my post “Dr. John MacArthur Speaks at SBTS”:
http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/11/drjohnmacarth.html
76. John Lee
November 6, 2006
8:21 PM
Excuse me, but why is everyone so quick to jump onto Haggard’s side?
I am not commenting here on Haggard’s homosexuality. Indeed, the fact that he struggled alone for so many years is something to be sympathetic about, for we have all struggled with our own personal demons, whatever they may be. But please, let’s not forget that Haggard is not a person who simply struggled with sinning. He did something much worse, and for this he deserves our denouncement. Let’s call a spade a spade, shall we?
Haggard has exercised rank hypocrisy and brazen deceit. This is the kind of falseness, the kind of deceit which is despicable. It is the very deceit which led him to attempt to cover-up the scandal with the most inane of excuses and lies. It is the very deceit which is callous enough to spew further lies in front of his wife and kids. What kind of man exposes his children to that kind of line of questioning out of self-interest? (I’m sorry, Challies, but your angle on the children-in-the-backseat-interview is way off-base).
Why are we so soft on Haggard? I agree that many who are coming down hard on him do so out of a sense of self-righteousness - it is done to make oneself look “good.” But the same kind of thinking is found in the opposite approach - the soft Challies approach. If what Haggard has done - rank deceit - is not so bad, then, hey, I can’t be so bad after all.
There is a time and place for outright denouncement. I denounce Haggard. I denounce him for the inestimable damage and hurt he has cast his family into. I denounce him for the years (decades?) of deceit and the rawest, rankest hypocrisy. I denounce him for how he has hurt his congregation, and caused some to doubt their faith.
77. lisa4given
November 6, 2006
8:48 PM
THere is a place for discerning in all of this. Discernment really does boil down to righteous judgement that is seasoned with grace but not at the expense of truth. For example, I question the salvation of Jan and Paul Crouch. They profess to be genuine Christians. I beg to differ in light of what else they proclaim. I could go on… but you probably know where I am headed.
78. Jerry M
November 6, 2006
9:02 PM
I think Jesus would have a problem with the idea that everyone who confesses Him as Lord is saved [Matt. 7:21-23].
However - I think the evidence of Haggard’s salvation or lack thereof will be in what he does now that he has been caught. Will he genuinely repent, etc? That is the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints after all.
Believers are capable of horrible things. [King David] But - they also genuinely repent. We should remember this was no one time stumble - this was a prolonged period of deceit and immorality of the type which a person in the pew would be disciplined out of the church for.
There will be no Christian homosexuals in heaven - only people who repented of their homosexuality.
As an aside - I have a former pastor who attends my church who ‘fell’ on 3 separate occasions. Now that he is no longer in ministry - he says that he does not feel the temptation. He is still married and seeking to make his marriage better and seems to be on the right track.
There is no question that Satan seeks leaders in high profile positions.
However - with that said. I would not hesitate to affirm there is a definite connection between doctrine and practice.
The man in my church who fell was of a free grace/ no lordship theology. I’m hoping that he is beginning to come around.
Tim, I appreciate your gracious spirit.
Your post reminds me of Chesterton who was once asked to write an essay on what is wrong with the world [by London Times?]. He submitted: Dear sirs, I am.
79. Scott Davison
November 6, 2006
9:07 PM
I was deeply touched by your post as I reflected on my response the evening it was exposed. I thought no, no, no, how is it that this man was hurting inside for so long without someplace he could find grace. I guess the sinfulness shouldn’t surprise us but I do feel the conviction to be available to people to miss steps in their live, miss steps that will be caught by the hand of a brother or sister.
I also quickly realize why people can’t come forward as I read some of the evil that oozes from the graceless christians in the blogosphere. Tim though your post wsould give one hope to embrace grace, many do not.
A fellow fallen brother saved by nothing but Grace
80. Jesse
November 6, 2006
9:45 PM
To Deborah
Regarding Bob’s observation. He is precisely correct. What is sorely missing in the Churches, is a real discernment of what the true gospel is, and who is and who is not preaching it.
Have compassion on sinners, yes.
Consider the falleness of leadership, it is mighty.
But the quick undiscerning acceptance of one as being an authentic believer is part of the down fall of the Church today.
God has abandoned America, in many ways, and you can see it, by what comes out of the pulpits, and how the people respond to it.
As well as the bold soceity of reprobates who both mock the Church and blaspheme without fear.
Mr. Haggard is a sign, much like others decades ago. Our Churches are in fatal spiritual trouble
Here are several verses to consider!
Jer 5:31 7:11-16 Isa 3:1-12 Ezek 14:1-11 Mt 7:15-23 Mt 24:24 1Tim 6:3-12 2cor 6:14-18
If you read these verses carefully, with the Spirits illumination, you will see things a lot different than your average uninformed Christian.
81. Alex Chediak
November 6, 2006
9:51 PM
A great post, Tim. Thank you.
82. Jamie Cain
November 6, 2006
10:06 PM
I was really grateful to find this post. (And this blog.)
John Lee asked why all were jumping to Ted Haggard’s side. I’m not sure that’s what’s happening here at all. Sure, in one sense, we leap to Haggard’s “defense” in the spirit of Galatians 6:1a. But the flip side of that is 6:1b, which encourages us to do just what Sufjan Stevens asks in “John Wayne Gacy”: to “look beneath the floorboards” for our own secrets (also mentioned in these comments).
The idea that we should engage in denunciation seems to me very uncharitable. Even to the one who denied him Jesus offered restoration. To make Ted Haggard’s sin any more or less than Peter’s would be naive.
Nuff said on that. Tim, I’ll make this site a regular now.
83. TONY
November 6, 2006
10:13 PM
Tim … your post has the folks at SLICE wondering if their discussion on Haggard has been right. It’s not. The very fact that they opened up their posts on Haggard to comments reveals their lack of integrity. Let’s take cheap shots at the fallen—read the comments! SLICE lacks grace and integrity!
What’s wrong with Evangelicalism? SLICE.
One other point … a lot has been said about sins of leadership having a greater negative effect (true), but let’s not forget that the sins of teh saints effect the ministry. We all need grace.
84. Brian Thornton
November 6, 2006
10:30 PM
The idea that we should engage in denunciation seems to me very uncharitable.
What seems uncharitable to me is the negative mindset toward those who find the deception and deliberate practice of sin repulsive, and have spoken out about it.
I just listened to the first part of the service at New Life where the oversight body of Pastors spoke of the recent revelations, and read Ted’s letter and his wife’s as well. They mention that they had two choices, either to rebuke and restore Ted Haggard, or to dismiss him. And, after meeting with Ted and deliberating over the last couple of days, they decided to dismiss him rather than rebuke and restore him.
Now, was it uncharitable for them to publically denounce Haggard instead of restoring him after a rebuke? Was it unloving of them to do what they did instead of responding with, “There but by the grace of God go I.”?
I think their actions were charitable…not only to Haggard, but especially to the congregation. So, I don’t understand why it is considered uncharitable when some speak out against the blatant, willful deception of Ted Haggard that would still be going on today had his sin not been exposed by someone else.
It is shameful what he did to his wife, to his congregation, and to the reputation of Christ. And I see nothing wrong with pointing that out in the process of restoring him according to Galatians 6.
85. KC
November 6, 2006
10:35 PM
Tim,
Thank you for this excellent post. At a deacons meeting Saturday, a fellow deacon reminded us all for the need to pray for our pastor - a fact that had slipped my mind in the midst of the unfolding controversy. My pastor humbly admitted that he too knew the depths of his heart and, as we all are, are one sinful decision away from destroying our marriages, our ministries, and subsequently, our lives.
As for those who wish to debate the nature or existence of Haggards salvation: pray for him either way. If you don’t think he is a believer then pray for his salvation. If you believe he is a believer then pray for his restoration of fellowship with the Father. If this does not satisfy your longings, then pray for me. I am a Christian who is training for minstry. Will I be the next Ted Haggard? Brom Clifford? Chuck Templeton? Jimmy Swaggart? Jim Baker?
Absolutely, call sin what it is and recognize the wages that it produces. However, if it be any man’s desire for another individual to continue in a state of punishment and condemnation of sin (believer or nonbeliever regardless), then I would be more apt to question the salvation of the person holding the desire, not the salvation of the one who is in the state of punishment and condemnation.
86. Forgiven
November 6, 2006
10:42 PM
I recall the first thought that came to my mind when I heard about the scandal, “oh no, more ammo to make fun of Christians.” Then I sat back and remembered the Sovereign God who is in control of everything. I remember how we as Christians should count it all joy when we encounter various trials, and this trial is not only hitting Mr. Haggard but the rest of those who call themselves as a Christian. It is a joy for me to proclaim to the world that we all need a Savior; even those who are high is the ranks. Your blog has once again confirmed my thoughts of how this scandal has reminded me of my sins, reminded me that I need to find my strength in God’s grace, and has reminded me that I am nothing apart from God. We can look at the negative aspect that may come about through this but let us stand together as believers, unified as one in spirit and mind to show the world, the unbelieving world that God does exist and they need a Savior.
Here’s a letter from Ted & Gayle Haggard to their church. It is very encouraging!
http://theologica.blogspot.com/2006/11/letters-from-ted-haggard-and-gayle.html
87. KC
November 6, 2006
10:49 PM
After re-reading the comment I just posted, I think that I need to clarify a few things. First, consequences of sin are always deserved. In Haggard’s case, his consequences will be first with his wife and children, next with his church community, and then with the greater evangelical community.
As Brian Thorton commented (#84), “And I see nothing wrong with pointing that out in the process of restoring him according to Galatians 6.” However, we must bear in mind ALL of Galatians 6. 6:1 says “Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him gently in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.” But Paul does not stop here. 6:1 is the easy part - recognize sin and call it what is is. 6:2 is much harder to enact: “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.” This is what calls us to pray for Haggard’s restoration to fellowship with the Father. I think he has lost his priviglege of leading a church again, but he has not lost his sonship (presuming he is a believer).
Speak out against sin, absolutely. But can I do so in a spirit of carrying my brother’s burdens as opposed to adding weight to his load?
88. Brian Thornton
November 6, 2006
10:50 PM
if it be any man’s desire for another individual to continue in a state of punishment and condemnation of sin
KC, has anyone hinted that they have this desire?
SLICE lacks grace and integrity! What’s wrong with Evangelicalism? SLICE.
Tony, why is it that you can say negative things about the integrity of SLICE, but others can’t point out the negative aspects of Haggard’s integrity? I find that a little inconsistent.
89. yikesmom
November 6, 2006
10:59 PM
Tim, once again I was moved to tears, tears for this man, his family, his former church family, how heartbreaking and you painted the picture well. I told my kids that sometime tomorrow we will be listening to Max Macleane’s rendition of “Sinners in the Hand of an Angry God” cd that we have. We need to be reminded of who we are being saved from, daily, and it is not ourselves. Thanks again, I am hoping to regain my composure in the next few minutes to send your link to family and friends.
90. billmelone
November 6, 2006
10:59 PM
“Haggard has exercised rank hypocrisy and brazen deceit”
So have we all
“I denounce Haggard”
Denounce yourself along with him like Tim has done. The gospel is in large part recognizing that there is no difference between you and me and Haggard but the grace of God. The gospel is REAL, God’s holiness is real and we’re fools and hypocrites if we can denounce someone else and not ourselves.
91. Bob Hayton
November 6, 2006
11:02 PM
John Lee said…”There is a time and place for outright denouncement. I denounce Haggard. I denounce him for the inestimable damage and hurt he has cast his family into. I denounce him for the years (decades?) of deceit and the rawest, rankest hypocrisy. I denounce him for how he has hurt his congregation, and caused some to doubt their faith.”
I think this one of the inate reactions that the world would make. If a world leader fell like Haggard did, one of two reactions would be probable. Disdain, outrage and denouncement or a minimizing of the sin and an explaining away of his guilt.
It is exactly at this point that the other-worldliness of Christianity can be recognized. Christianity affirms the guilt and the blackness of the sin, yet at the same time realizes that if Haggard is indeed believing and confessing/forsaking his sin, ALL of that sin has already been put away through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ for us on the cross.
Let us hope the best (1 Cor. 13:7) for Ted—(ie. that he is genuinely believing and that God is preserving his faith in and through this event). And let us emphasize that the Gospel is Glorious and Wonderful in that it takes care of the very real and deserved guilt that Ted Haggard has earned. Let us not attempt to either distance ourselves from Ted or explain away Ted’s guilt. Rather let us use this event as an illustration of the wonder of the Gospel.
Let this be an occasion that the Holy Spirit can use to reveal the spiritual truth of the Gospel to darkened hearts. Let us lift up Christ in conversations with unbelievers over this event. And further, let this be a time to point out that our hope is not in the NEA or the “religious right” movements, and neither is Ted Haggard’s ultimate hope, rather our hope is in the Gospel of Christ.
92. Brian Thornton
November 6, 2006
11:04 PM
This is what calls us to pray for Haggard’s restoration to fellowship with the Father. I think he has lost his priviglege of leading a church again, but he has not lost his sonship (presuming he is a believer).
KC makes a good point about bearing one another’s burdens. For those of us who are not close enough to the situation to actually be a part of the restoration process, it is our duty to pray for Ted. For those who are close enough, it is now their duty to hold Ted up spiritually as he is restored…not to office, but, as KC says… to fellowship with the Father…and with his brothers and sisters in Christ, assuming he is a fellow saint (of course, Challies says there is no basis for which to make that determination…if Haggard says he is a believer, we have no option but to assume that he is. I’m not sure I agree with that, as I think Scripture talks about bearing fruit in keeping with repentance, and time will reveal if that is the case with Haggard).
I pray those close to Ted Haggard will be willing to bear his burdens…
93. billmelone
November 6, 2006
11:05 PM
Brian, I wouldn’t say it like Tony did, but I do think that Haggard has repented, Slice hasn’t. I don’t like pointing fingers, but it seems clear to me that Slice and others have built a platform of ‘good theology’ as their acceptance before God by denouncing Haggard and not being humbled as they are reminded of the sinfulness of ALL humans including you, me and them.
94. Todd
November 7, 2006
12:10 AM
Tim, What an amazingly honest and convicting post. I went through many of the very thoughts and feelings that you have had and then I started to see my own sinfulness. But by the Grace of God indeed. I will share this message and post with other brothers as I believe this to be our only legitimate response. Thanks again for this powerful post.
Todd
95. RCH
November 7, 2006
12:12 AM
I just finished listening to an interview that CJ Mahaney did at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary that is well worth listening to in light of this tragedy. Though he is primarily addressing seminary students, I believe we all can benefit from this wise counsel. See ‘Leadership in the Local Church’ Oct 25 2006 at the link below: http://www.sbts.edu/resources/Audio_Resources/Mahaney
96. John Lee
November 7, 2006
12:23 AM
Has Christianity become so soft that we cannot look a man in his face and tell him that what he has done is despicable? Do we have to couch all of our words with the sickly-saccharine phrases of “forgiveness, “mercy,” “we’re all sinners alike”?
Since when did being holy and godly mean that we couldn’t tell it as it is?
Don’t get me wrong. I am not condemning a man for his homosexuality. In this case I am, however, saying that the purposeful deceit and rank hypocrisy with which he pastored the church is worthy of outright denouncement. He may not have had been able to temper his sexual predeliction, but he certainly had control over whether he would bring falsehood and hypocrisy into a pulpit. In fact, contrary to what is being posted here, I believe it is a Christian imperative to point out his deceit. He consciously made fools of his congregation, and was fully aware of the great disparity between his walk and his talk. Yet still he took in his congregation’s tithing, still he soaked in their attention and adulation, still he went on fooling his wife, endangering her with his risky sexual behavior. All the while, he preached faithfulness, love, integrity, purity.
We are to love him - to utterly and wholly love him. To pray that his path to restoration would be whole. And we are to utterly, utterly despise his shameful actions, to name them for what they are.
Please. Enough of this soft pedaling. The Gospel isn’t always about holding hands and singing “We are the World.” Sometimes it’s about making whips in the temples, sometimes it is using direct and straight language as Jesus and Paul would on occasion.
Check out Post #84 - a rare post of truth amidst this chaff of sentimental fluff.
97. KS
November 7, 2006
12:34 AM
It doesn’t matter what colour of theology you like to spin. Sin is sin no matter. I am always comforted though that God did not destroy David - a womanising murder, nor did he cast Peter who denied him three times then skulked away. You can multiply the examples of ‘crude’ sin … the issue is though, is that sin is sin. An evil thought is as good as murder, a lustful look as good as having commited the act. How many of we men are guilty of these…
I come from a reformed theology background and am convicted in my own mind that this is a thoroughly reasonable and reasoned way to regard scripture. As a young christian I was taught the doctrines of grace by men who were in reality covering there own sin - one was a wife basher and child abuser, another someone whom you couldn’t trust around children (as was evident in the way truth has its out..). Having the right theology was no guard to the heart.
God’s grace is sufficient - the church a corinth bears fact to that.
May God over rule for good in this situation - the gates of hell cannot prevail against it. May the church of which Mr haggard belongs return/find for first time, to the gospel of grace.
98. John Lee
November 7, 2006
12:42 AM
…And since we all seem to be falling in love with what Challies has written, let me tell you what I think. Challies is a good writer, but don’t let the artistry blind you. Challies has stated:
“Every day I see in my heart that I am no different than Ted Haggard.”
Inasmuch as we all battle our personal demons, I’m with you 100% Challies. Some battle homosexuality. Some battle greed or pride or anger or sexual fidelity. It runs the gamut. To the extent you’re saying that me, you, Haggard must do battle with sin, I’m with you.
But…
There is a fundamental difference between what Haggard has done and the average run-of-the-mill sinner. Haggard held himself up to be a man of God, a spiritual man whose lifestyle deserved emulation. He held himself up to be a godly, holy man, perhaps not perfect, but saintly nonetheless. But this was a man who would have sex with a male prostitute on saturday night then wake up the next morning and preach. Rather than resign from the ministry to deal with his weakness, he kept on the facade. He slapped God in the face every time he stepped into the pulpit. He pulled the wool over the eyes of his congregation; he attempted to pull the wool over the eyes of the nation with his silly cover-up lies when the story first broke up.
Take the wool from your eyes, Challies & Co. It’s okay to hate what he did. It’s okay to denounce. In fact, it might be Christ-like to denounce it. See Matt. 23:27-28.
99. Ross Royden
November 7, 2006
1:14 AM
No John, it’s not alright to denounce. It’s fine to say that certain behaviour is wrong. But Jesus words not to judge lest we too be judged should lead us to be humble here. No-one can know what was going on in Ted Haggard’s heart and life except God. Ted Haggard probably doesn’t even know himself.
I lose my temper, argue with my wife, and do a whole host of things, that I have no intention of mentioning here, on a Saturday and then get up on a Sunday and preach. Am I a cynical hypocrite, ‘slapping God in the face’ every time I preach? I do hope not. I am though a thoroughly ordinary sinner who by