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Young, Restless, Reformed...and So What?

Scott Lamb is both a friend and a contributor to Discerning Reader. I’m pretty sure he reads even more books than I do and we knew that sooner or later he and I would read the same title at the same time. Sure enough, that happened recently with Collin Hansen’s Young, Restless, Reformed. Because I had written a review of it, Scott decided to focus instead on the story behind the story, so to speak. He wrote what I found a fascinating article on just how big and how wide this movement really is. I thought you would enjoy it to, so decided to post it here. I do so primarily because I think Scott provides a good warning to us, and particularly so in the final paragraphs. From here on you’ll be reading Scott’s article.


In a nutshell, before reading the book I would have thought the movement was larger and more influential. The metaphor of “ocean” comes to mind. After reading the book, I am given to thinking that the movement is more like a pond, maybe a lake.

That is not a prediction of what the future holds. But this is a book about the present (last 10 years or so), and I am less inclined to think much of the movement after reading Hansen’s work.

I am not shooting the messenger (Hansen) in any way, shape, or form. I read the entire book while leaning on a wall about six feet from my post office box. Then I read it again a day later, again with enjoyment. I really want you to read it too.

I do think there are many recent aspects of the groundswell of Reformed theology that are entirely missed. There are also many foundations of the movement which have been vitally important, but which lack any formal attachment to the Reformed camp. I will come back to these in a later post.

Let me throw some spaghetti against the wall and see what sticks.

Spaghetti on the Wall

Are we overly optimistic about what is going on? Are we just having self-referential Calvinist conversations with ourselves? Perhaps you don’t think so?

Well, you are reading a book review about Calvinism…to be posted on Calvinist Tim Challies’ book review web-site…about a book that reports on the rise of young Calvinists like Tim and a bunch of our friends and mentors…and Tim wrote an endorsement for this book on the back cover…and now a review of the book…and he also wrote a book published by the same company as this one…a company that publishes a mountain of books by Calvinist authors mentioned in this book…and since you are a Calvinist you may decide to buy this book and comment on it on your own blog or on Amazon.com…and then we will link to your blog and say, “A Reformed friend of mine who is on staff at Piper’s church wrote a great review of Hansen’s new book”…then some other Calvinist will interview Hansen, himself a Calvinist…then we will all get in our cars and head to a conference where 75% of the folks mentioned in the book will either be preaching or listening (or live-blogging)…

Suddenly, a certain joke about cousins marrying cousins comes to my mind.

Am I saying there is anything wrong with friends and colleagues and pastors networking together or talking about common interests? Absolutely not. I’m just saying that we’d better not read our own press clippings and jump to the wrong conclusions. Is this “new Calvinist” pond little or big? The answer depends on who we hang out with.

On Guard

In our self-referential excitement over the movement toward Calvinism, there are two errors I am afraid we could easily make:

  1. Although we should take joy over the number of folks gaining passion for biblical truth, will we foolishly begin to believe that the majority of Evangelical Christianity is actually making a turn toward solid theological conviction.

  2. Although the numbers do represent individuals who are coming to truth, will the local church itself be changed and challenged and loved? We love our Reformed theology, but will the “young and restless” part only serve to bring out the devilish individualism characterizing so much of American Evangelicalism. We grew up in “typical” churches, and have “escaped” the poor theology, but will we now spend the rest of our lives proving that we are “not the like the church we came from”? Will our mantra be- “Give us books, conferences, audio sermons, and blog-buddies, but keep us far from messy relationships with Arminians in our local church.”

Let me provide a few illustrations of what I am thinking.

How Wide the Influence?

In our Calvinist circles, we get real excited about the 275,000 copies of Desiring God sold. But wait. Hasn’t Rick Warren’s Purpose-Driven Life sold over 24 million copies (as of 2006)? Wow, that is a ratio of 1:100.

Warren is extremely influential (understatement of the year), and that influence is felt directly at the level of the local church - in a very widespread manner across the nation and across the denominational spectrum.

Perhaps we are actually only 1/100th as influential as Warren.

Do you wish those numbers were the opposite? Yeah, so do I. But they aren’t.

How Big Is Ground Zero?

The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary gets a lot of attention in Hansen’s book. He calls Louisville “Ground Zero” for Calvinism. An astounding number of ministers are being trained at SBTS. Four thousand students receive theological education by 180+ total faculty. The largest Protestant seminary in the world runs on a budget of less than $40 million dollars (2006).

But consider another number - $95 million. In one year’s time, that is how much money Joyce Meyer fleeced earned through donations and conferences.

When you consider that the $40 million at SBTS comes from the tuition payments of 4,000 students and also from a portion of the offerings of 40,000 SBC churches, it absolutely boggles the mind to consider that a woman who preaches a false gospel can get her hands on twice as much money!

Think about how many individuals it must take to rake in $95 million. These are huge numbers. This is real influence.

SBTS, a.k.a. “Ground Zero for Calvinism”, only has HALF the budget of just ONE prosperity-gospel preaching woman.

A Huge Gathering?

The 2006 Together for the Gospel Conference drew 3,000 men, and probably could have gotten 2,000 more in the door if space was available. I was there. It was great!

But Joel Osteen draws in 10,000 on any given weekend that he takes his show on the road. Speaking of Osteen, if you add up the royalties for every book authored by MacArthur, Sproul, Piper, Mahaney, Begg, Boice, Duncan, etc. - would the total come anywhere near the $12 million advance Joel received for his last book alone? Not a chance.

Does Wal-Mart carry anything by Sproul, Piper, Mahaney? Can you buy a “Chosen by God” board game?

And speaking of publishing, Crossway and a few other faithful companies serve up 80% of what young Calvinists are reading. So, does that mean sound biblical theology is going to prevail among Christian publishers too ? What about the other 50-75 Evangelical Publishers Association companies? What percentage of their books can we get real excited about?

Conclusion

Are we reading our own press clippings, and getting worked up in the wrong way?

How ironic it would be if God-centered theology truly caught fire throughout the church, only to come crashing into the brick wall of flesh-boasting about numbers and influence.

How terrible it would be if Calvinist soteriology got branded on the hearts of young people, only to have them choose individualism over God-glorifying commitment and dedication to the local church. Christ did not die on a cross for a conference, campus Bible study, or book publisher. He laid down his life for the church.

As Calvinists who dwell on total depravity, understand that it is fully well possible to receive a rich theological treasure, only to squander it through sin.

However, as Calvinists who well on divine grace and sovereignty, understand that “He who began a good work” can and will continue to purify the bride of Christ by His grace and for His glory.

Let us make sure our passion begins and ends with Soli Deo Gloria, focusing our boast on the cross of Christ alone.

I really enjoyed reading this book and thinking through these issues. Thank you Collin.


Tim here again. I think Scott is on to something here. While we need to continue to bless and praise God for the work He is doing in drawing people to Himself, and especially in those who are young and restless, let’s realize that this movement is, in relation to the rest of those who confess Christ, very small. Let’s always remember that there is still much work to do and that we must not take pride in being part of any movement, even one as exciting as this. We are to boast only in the cross. Let our pride and our joy be in the great work of Christ.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on what Scott has written.

Young, Restless, Reformed...and So What?

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1. Matt
April 4, 2008
10:23 AM

Good caution’s.

One of the reasons I look forward to attending the Whiteboard Conference in Virginia. “Our” Mark Dever will share the stage with, among others, Tim Stevens, executive pastor from Granger Community Church. Unheard of! It’s going to be good for me to hear from some people who don’t read or write books endorsed by CJ Mahaney, John Piper, Al Mohler, et. al.

And Dever took some heat from within our own wagon circle for speaking at wibo, which, unfortunately intimates that Scott might be on the right track here…


2. Anna
April 4, 2008
10:35 AM

Wonderful analysis. It’s easy to get caught up in the fervor of being part of a “young and restless” movement that at times seems to be spreading wildly. But I think one reason people are so eager to know that it’s a movement is because a lot of us feel alone in our beliefs. Still, the growth of the movement doesn’t mean that we’ve won over Christian culture yet, for sure. Great thoughts.


3. Alex
April 4, 2008
10:45 AM

How large is the pond, influence, or ground of Calvinists? Interesting question to scratch the itches of those with statistical curiosities, but then what do we do with it? So we’re smallish. Now what?


4. Don Fields
April 4, 2008
11:00 AM

I would imagine that the vast majority of the 3,000 attending the Together for the Gospel were pastors, as well as the majority of the 4,000 students at SBTS. Therefore, this should be encouraging because if you influence the influencers (the pastors) this should translate into lasting change within churches. But that assumes that these Calvinistic pastors are really making a substantial difference and having a substantial influence on their local churches and the members within them. I believe the real fruit of this resurgence will be seen in the next generation. Will there be more reformed, Calvinistic seminaries, publishing houses, pastors, churches, lay people twenty years from now? Time will tell and the proof is in the pudding.


5. Barrett
April 4, 2008
11:07 AM

A very sobering review. We see the same thing everyday, but we blind ourselves by getting onto our Calvinistic blogrolls and surrounding ourselves with Calvinists across country. If we were restricted to the Internet mainly, we would tend to believe we’re onto something. And I think that is why we Calvinists love the Web. It is community to us. But when we turn off the computer and go to our churches, we see that we are very small fish, even still. I go to a PCA church and probably less than half of the members are Calvinists. What we really need to see is that Calvinists are made one-on-one and they take a lot of time. I look forward to reading Collin’s book for encouragement though. It is always refreshing after a roomfull of blank stares to come online and see thousands of people interested in penal substitutionary atonement. But online is not the mission field. Our local church, Arminians, Universalists, Legalists and all, is.


6. ryan
April 4, 2008
11:10 AM

Tim,

The only comment I would make is that Scott seems to not deal with the “young” part of “Young, Restless, and Reformed.” The fact is that what might be the most promising about the trend in reformed theology is the youth that is catching on with it and having a greater and greater influence. In many ways Hansen’s book is speaking about what the future of the evangelical landscape might look like do to the rise of many passionate young Calvinists.

Scott fails to deal with the fact that Mark Driscoll is quickly becoming one of the most influential pastors in the country and his podcast are routinely in the top ten on itunes; along with Joyce Meyer, Rob Bell, and Joel Osteen. Or what about guys like Matt Chandler, or Josh Harris? So while Calvinists probably still do not have the influence they think they do, there are signs that that tide is changing…


7. Chris
April 4, 2008
11:11 AM

We certainly need a long-term perspective. I’ve heard Lig Duncan state the (humbling) demographic observation that there are more Mormons in America than Presbyterians.


8. Andrew Moody
April 4, 2008
11:11 AM

Excellent points. While it is exciting to see noticeable growth in those who profess the biblical gospel, the false gospel is far more influential and far more successful by the world’s standards.

We do need to realize that Christ has not called us to be wise, wealthy, and successful by worldly standards. Rather, he has called us to live before him in humble obedience. The Christian life characterized as already, but not yet. The present time is one of suffering, of anticipation, of cross-bearing. This is not the time of triumph, but rather of going through the refining fire of sanctification. In Christ, our hope, our treasure, our glory is still very much a matter of awaiting the return of Christ. We have the firstfruits of the finished work of Christ, but the final harvest has not yet been brought in. We still experience daily the same struggle with indwelling sin that Paul expressed in Romans 7, looking forward to the new heavens and the new earth where there will be on sin, no death, no tears!

We are tempted to pursue an over-realized eschatology. We went heaven now! We want victory and triumph now. However the path that Christ has laid out to glory is one of foolishness to the world. Our time of suffering is not yet complete. Looking around at shifts in both the Muslim and Mormon population even in our country, it appears there are some very tough times ahead in the coming years.

It is the way of the cross, the foolishness of the cross, that we must embrace. The only true guide we can follow is the Holy Spirit speaking through His Word! The truth of Scripture, commitment to its doctrine as the objective truth of God, living it, loving it, feeding upon it as it is preached with uncompromising boldness, this is God’s powerful instrument of transformation.


9. Dan Odom
April 4, 2008
11:15 AM

Good perspective. I’ve always wondered regarding this “young and restless” movement how big it can even really get? I thought Jesus said few there are who find it? Not the “movement” but Him! How disatrous will it be to start seeing this “movement” liquified and watered down like every other “movement” has been all in it’s effort to grow. Why are we so stinking preoccupied with growth, numerical that is? Sometimes I can’t help but wonder who’s kingdom are we pursueing and how much God must glory in those pastors and workers who struggle in complete anonimity and faithfully serve the one who saved them. My fear is that most of this “movement” are want-to- be MacArthurs, Pipers, Sprouls and the like. Yes I fall there too, but may we never forget it’s the Christ these men serve not them we are trying to immulate! Piper and the like has made it “cool” to be reformed, but sometimes I wonder if something is wrong with this picture. Oh how subtle our enemy is.


10. Lance
April 4, 2008
11:22 AM

It seems to me that good Christian doctrine will never appeal to the masses of a consumer-culture, so this news of an uprising, albeit small and virtually unknown …

… is still good news.

And the writer’s cautions are well taken.

As far as being a pond, I am reminded of Edward R. Murrow’s words I read last night, especially since I pastor a church that not even young, reformed people have heard of:

“Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn’t mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar.”


11. Jim Vellenga
April 4, 2008
12:15 PM

I have not read the book, but from my perspective as a pastor in a small, elderly, rural, reformed congregation, even if the movement is not huge, what this book does is encourage Calvinists

I cannot count the number of times members in the congregation I serve have said something like this, “Young people don’t care about doctrine.” This reminds us that there are young people out there who desire and love to hear solid teaching on God, Christ, Sin, Salvation, and all the rest.

Secondly, while there is the danger of having things watered down, especially if we take the approach of measuring our success by the bar of the Joyce Meyers of this age, the growth of young calvinists who want more than the fluff of the Evanjellybeany majority should do the exact opposite. It should encourage those congregations that hold strongly to Reformed theology to realize that it is that very thing that is attracting not just old people but young people as well. Why would one stop doing the very thing that is attracting those young people? Unless of course they are looking at the money raised, the books sold, or the influence in the world measured in the world’s terms.


12. mikbry24
April 4, 2008
12:46 PM

I think Lance is onto something (comment #10) when he says, “It seems to me that good Christian doctrine will never appeal to the masses of a consumer-culture, so this news of an uprising, albeit small and virtually unknown …”

I am reminded of Paul’s admonition to Timothy in II Timothy Chapter 4: 1 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. 5 But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

The warning that Scott gives should be heeded. When we start to focus on the “success” of our ministry (success being how widespread our audience and the amount of money we bring in) we become no better than the charlatans Scott mentions in his review. While the intent of the Gospel is for the masses, the appeal of the Gospel is certainly not. It’s much more self-gratifying and ego-building to simply have a self-help or motivational speaker stand up each and every week and tell us that we’re not so bad, God wants us to be rich and healthy and get the best parking spots. The cross and therefore the Gospel are offensive, the message of the charlatans is not.


13. Fusion!@letmypeopleread
April 4, 2008
12:53 PM

I agree with Don and Ryan. These are some good sings, especially as the influence is going to the younger generations (of which i am a part of). I would add that we have also seen Mark Driscoll’s popularity on itunes as well as the many numbers of people who hear him online. How about the fact that the Reformation study bible (along with the ESV and Macarthur’s Study Bible) are quickly becoming very popular. If I recall correctly it (Reformation study Bible) sold out pretty quick. More so, that’s what they said about the Emergent movement a few years back and look at it now. I think our time is coming. My one question is (and feel free to visit my blog for this) is: what do we call ourselves? I’ve heard “New Reformed” and “Resurgent” but still haven’t found something satisfactory.


14. Ernesto
April 4, 2008
12:59 PM

mikbry24 said

While the intent of the Gospel is for the masses, the appeal of the Gospel is certainly not.

AMEN!! this is the thing, if people were atracted to the gospel, the great comission would be easier, don’t you think.

Scott has some good points that we should look at the movement with realism, but i guess, 4000 pastors educated in the doctrines of grace that will influence a similar number of local churches, not only in the US but also further else, is a great thing and something to be rejoiced at, especially when evil is growing in influence in our world.

God is certainly preparing this generation for greater things, if you watch history , the Doctrines of Grace, haven’t always be “the pick of the litter” in Christ’s Church, and when so many are turning to being Purpose Driven and having their best lives now, this trend of People especially young ones turning to the Bible with all their might and to sound doctrine and Theology, we are encouraged that the Gospel will still be preached and those who desire that it’s to be done no longer (militant Atheists, ACLU, Mass Media) will be deceived.


15. Dan Hagan
April 4, 2008
1:12 PM

Excellent review! Thanks for sharing it Tim…

As I read Scott’s book report there were alarms going off regarding “why are we stressing the importance of numbers whether by headcount or in dollars?” Then at the end it was obvious that Scott was saying exactly what I was thinking — that “He who began a good work” is ultimately and absolutely in control. Who are we to give Him a grade card? Who are we to define what true success is or is not?


16. Rick
April 4, 2008
1:58 PM

I remember reading in R.C. Sproul’s article “Pelagian Captivity of the Church” that Calvinism was a small movement compared to Arminism and a more apparent Pelagianism in the present day visible church. I’ve come to see more clearly with the Lord that Calvinism continues to be a minor groundswell of Christian thinkers compared to the greater overflow of liberal theologies.

I do think the present situation tells us to remember the teaching of Colossians about making it our ambition to live a quiet life with the work of our hands. As we trust the greater grace of the work of the Lord’s hands alone for our lives, and reform our personal lives in view of that greater grace in humility with the Lord, we will have evangelical impact on unchurched unbelievers (and duped churched unbelievers!) in our present surroudings.


17. Rick
April 4, 2008
2:01 PM

That passage was I Thessalonians, actually; my apologies. I confess myself in need of the grace of the work of the Lord’s hands for my life, too!


18. Jeri
April 4, 2008
2:37 PM

I’d love to give you my thoughts! They are yep, yep and yep! I absolutely agree that Scott is onto something…he’s done a great job at articulating thoughts that resonate with what I’ve been thinking and seeing. Love rejoices when truth prevails; we rejoice at the awakening to biblical truth in the west, but we’re not guaranteed that it will become a large or accepted movement. (We are guaranteed even better things!)

“Will our mantra be- “Give us books, conferences, audio sermons, and blog-buddies, but keep us far from messy relationships with Arminians in our local church.”

How wonderful it has been to learn to rejoice at evidences of God’s grace and truth prevailing in the historically (but changing) arminian congregation we’re a part of. The people at our church have been blessed through our pastor’s biblical preaching and loving example. Through it the Lord has been teaching me not to be a firebrand for the truth without genuine love.


19. Megan Harris
April 4, 2008
3:05 PM

I definitely cringed when I read some of the points Scott makes. I’m relatively new to Calvinism (less than two years) so I’m still in the “I can’t believe the rest of the church doesn’t see this” stage. Scott’s article made me think about my relationships with arminians and how I tend to avoid directly discussing anything about Calvinism vs. Arminian. Still, a note of encouragment. One thing that came to mind, which I know is a little besides the point Scott is making, is that God chooses the weak things to shame the strong. Gideon started with 32,000 men, but he went to battle with 300. I get excited when I see that the odds aren’t in our favor.


20. Eddie
April 4, 2008
7:00 PM

While there is a growing tide of the outward popularity of Reformed theology, there is also a subtler and—I would suggest—sweeter effect that these “hubs” and ground zeroes” are having on broader American evangelicalism.

I am relatively young (under 25) and a passionate Calvinist by conviction. I was not raised Christian or Calvinist, but become both through friends, and listening to teachings about Reformed theology. I have never attended any Reformed conferences, am not part of an overtly Reformed church nor do I ride the wagon train of Calvinist blogs. I love these things, but honestly, I think the general trend of many of these things are fads that have, by God’s grace, been promulgated to oppose emergent theology. As the popularity of McLaren, Bell and co. begin to drift from the spotlight, so will the spotlight on Reformed flotsam also diminish. However, just as the influences and effects of the emergent church may endure in their own circles, so will the clarion calls to Biblical orthodoxy endure in saints throughout the culture.

I see evidence of this in my own church community. While it bears the label ‘non-denominational’, there is a strong aroma of Piper’s Calvinism and Dever’s local church commitment, and Mahaney’s pursuit of humility among elders. The doctrines of grace run rampant through the hearts of the members, though if you asked them to name the five points of TULIP, they might give you a funny look. To them, it’s just a flower.

And this is not only at my church, but other churches too. I think that, if I could put my finger on why the doctrine is spreading though the labels may not be, is simple. Whenever Piper points to the text or Driscoll opens up and reads through the Bible, people hear it, and see it for themselves. I say this with joyful trembling. It is not ultimately men or events that cause an uprising of God-intoxicated lifestyles, but the steady washing of the word, the scattering of its seed, and the pastors pointing to their Bibles. Not everyone can sit under the wit of Driscoll or the passion of Piper, but they own a Bible.

And if they—and by they, I mean we, and me—can see in Scripture what these humble and faithful men of God see, then the God who seeks to glorify himself in all things will be exalted, regardless of the trappings of conference, confession, or cultural context.

Wisdom will be justified by all her children (Luke 7:35)


21. James Lee
April 4, 2008
8:12 PM

I am worried that I have very little concern as to whether or not this idea of a movement catches fire or not. Actually, what little evidence of progress may be obvious is enough confirmation for me to place faith in the Lord’s sovereign grace. Also, what great joy it brings to know that something significant is occurring and that there is a movement among the redeemed to stand up and be heard. With the past generation of reformed leaders coming to a close, a new generation should be poised and ready. What is on the forefront is not merely a battle to gain the most influence in evangelicalism, it just may be the Lord preparing His remnant to stand up and proclaim the truth to those who have been deceived. And what better way to do so than to show them that He’s there, He’s working, and He’s still drawing men unto Him.


22. Michael Daily
April 4, 2008
8:18 PM

Yes, the “pond’ of young and reformed is small, but to my knowledge as recently as 20 years ago there was no pond at all.


23. D.L/ Kane
April 4, 2008
10:55 PM

The LORD said to Gideon, “The people who are with you are too many for Me to give Midian into their hands, for Israel would become boastful, saying, ‘My own power has delivered me.’


24. Tim
April 4, 2008
11:31 PM

I was a Calvinist when Calvinism wasn’t cool. Furthermore, when I was attending Bible College and Seminary, 30 years ago, the interest in the Reformed Faith seemed to reach deeper than it does today. What is being labeled as a Reformed Movement today reminds me of the deadheads of the 60’s and 70’s. You know, that same group of hippies that followed the Greatful Dead around to all their concerts. Today it seems that it’s the same group of people who like to be identified as “Calvinists” and follow the same group of speakers around to the different conferences. I don’t see any overflow from the conferences to the local congregations and I don’t see any new Reformed churches popping up here and there.

I believe Ian Murray said, in “Revivals and Revivalism”, that all widescale, documented revivals began with a return to the doctrines of grace. I’m certain that’s not a direct quote but it was something to that effect.

I see no widescale or documentable “Revival” shaping in our country.


25. matthew woodside
April 5, 2008
12:58 AM

I believe there is something to the argument that our Reformed influence is not as large as we think: Here’s what it looks like in my world in Arkansas Baptist life.

The PDL message of Warren dominates in varying degrees the churches in our state convention. Our state leadership and many pastors buy in wholesale to the method and strategy of PDL and PDC.

Weekly I receive emails (through the Founders site) of pastors seeking a Reformed church to pastor, and there are very few available. The supply of pastors is much greater than the demand.

Also, pockets of Reformed lay people suffer through Purpose Driven churches because the only other options in a 100 mile radius are PDC.

The solution I see is starting new Reformed works, but state conventions won’t go for that because it doesn’t fit their model of church planting. So, its left to individuals to start churches or link with like-minded Reformed brothers who can support the work.

The real proof of effectiveness is in the local church, and while I see an upswing in the seminaries and in several influential ministries, I don’t see it in the local churches in Arkansas.


26. Laurie
April 5, 2008
3:01 AM

Wow, great post, and fantastic comments! I always come away thinking and re-thinking.


27. Robin
April 5, 2008
9:43 AM

There is always a period of sobriety than follows a bout of drunkenness. But one needn’t run to Calvin for solace as the antithesis for Warren’s false peace. It is possible to go outside the camp and find where Jesus is for yourself. If we are to give God the glory, then that glory can only be revealed in our praise of Jesus - not in Calvin or any other man.


28. Juanita
April 5, 2008
11:24 AM

Thanks for posting this, Tim. I think Scott’s cautions are well worth reading and thinking about.

What I find interesting about all of this is how we are seeing the reformed doctrines crossing denominational lines. It is no longer the property of such and such a denomination (Baptist or Presbyterian) but instead, we are meeting people who believe in the doctrines of grace throughout the different denominations. That encourages me in one sense because I’m happy that there are circles of influence throughout the evangelical world. OTOH, I am slightly discouraged when I don’t find like-minded believers in my own denomination (Fellowship Baptist) when, according to our statement of faith, they should be ones who lean that way. But we pray that God will continue to lead and we look for His guidance and providence.


29. Intelligencer
April 5, 2008
3:52 PM

I think these are good cautions, but I think Calvinist growth is real and genuine. Our impact goes well beyond traditional Reformed circles, with groups like Campus Crusade having little Reformed boomlets within them. And while our numbers are small, we punch above our weight in terms of intellectual and theological influence in the U.S. church.

That said, I think way too much of the growth in Reformed numbers comes from cherry-picking. My family and I were talking about the conservative movement the other day and I said, “The number one sign that an organization is dying is that it looks inward and disputes on minor points of doctrine rather than focusing on bringing new people into the camp.”

My wife and I both thought of Reformed Christianity in that moment. And we’re passionately Reformed. That isn’t a good sign.


30. David Jacks
April 5, 2008
4:47 PM

Guys,

I do not think they have exaggerated the success of their movement. I have not heard any of the Calvinistic leadership “toot” their horns about a “ground swelling movement” - has anyone else? The Calvinists have taken advantage of the Internet as a new form of a publishing company (which Reformed folks have always embraced publishing literature as a primary method for theological propagation), the Calvinists have called us back to the Bible and are willing to take the heat from the broader church for being so “narrow minded” as to believe that the Bible is God’s Word and our sole need in life and the life of the church for guidance, spiritual life and renewal with our Triune God.

The Calvinists will never be in the majority - that is not what they want - they know that humbling the pride of man while exalting the glory of God will never be appealing to “broader church” (the goats will always out number the sheep except in heaven). No, I see good things coming out of this movement over the next 25+ years. I see more churches being planted in the US under this flag of Gospel Sovereignty - planting biblically sound churches is a good thing - even if these churches never become Mega-churches (which is just more proof that American culture has had more impact on the church than vice-versa) - they become churches faithful to the Word and suffering under the Gospel which is clearly preached. These small churches become a haven of refuge for those removed from the broader church whom God is awakening to His Sovereignty in salvation and in training these new converts to seek God with hearts on fire for His glory.

I agree that there is a sense in which the American individualism may/can have a negative effect on the young and restless (that is what they know and have experienced and I include us in this experience too) but at least they have something to help combat that American cultural infiltration - the Bible - and that is one book Calvinists hold dear and are willing to follow (I cannot say that for the broader semi-Arminian or even Pelegian churches). I think the potential fragmentation is a problem, but every movement that begins to form and is NOT sanctioned by the present day denominational leaders or broader church subculture will have this struggle - this is the same problem that faced Luther, Calvin and others as the Reformation took place and grew.

The issue is how will we Calvinists unify around the Gospel and Gospel application in the world? How will we seemingly seek to be the Church within the church? Will we be “pushed out” by the larger more influential semi-Arminian group? Will the larger group dismiss us out of one side of their mouth only to act in another way to restrain what they think is un biblical? Will the Calvinists see themselves as Reformers within their respective denominations and seek reformation from within or will they act like Separatists and leave of their own volition to become free floating individual churches dotted along the impoverished, entertainment driven and man-centered social outlets called the “landscape of American churches?”

I do know this: Wherever we are, we are called to be Gospel agents and the Church has one thing that has been entrusted to it: The Gospel of Jesus Christ. If your church is not preaching this Gospel, feeding to its people this Gospel, not having this Gospel influence its worship life and not convinced that this Gospel is the only hope for sinful man (redeemed and yet unredeemed) - then either seek to reform your church until it is reformed or your asked to leave - or get off the sinking ship and get in a life raft and find a Church that will give itself (corporately) to this Gospel and suffer under its effects as it seeks to be overwhelmed by God’s loving disciplinary grace that leads us to true love of God and love of neighbor. You and your family’s spiritual well being is at stake staying in an environment that refuses to boast in God’s grace alone as its sole reason for existing. Why would you play with your family’s spiritual well-being like that? You say you love your wife and kids. May I ask - how much do you “love” them and what is this “love” costing you or even them? Do you “love” them enough to have them inoculated by the man-centered church (just so they can have a youth group and fun on Sunday morning - and you can be told you’re ok, ok - maybe just a little imbalanced, but still doing pretty good on your own and God still loves you anyway) against the real God-centered Gospel that brings life?


31. Henry
April 6, 2008
5:10 PM

Huh? Who cares? So the Calvinist pond is small. This is only a concern to the extent that Calvinists have a corner on the truth, which I would dispute. They have a significant and valuable contribution to make to the church’s understanding of truth, but this article seems to assume that Calvinists are the last hope for truth in the evangelical church, if not in our world. And what if the supposed surge in interest in Calvinism is in fact a surge in young people looking for safety and security in a familiar and comfortable knowledge base, rather than the enhanced security but reduced predictability that comes from throwing our lot in with Jesus the Christ? Radical discipleship has more to do with a way of life than it does with a certain way of thinking. The two are clearly not at odds, but the concerns expressed in this review seemed to ignore the life in favor of the knowledge. I believe that evangelicals will become increasingly irrelevant regardless of the clarity and certainty of their knowledge, unless we learn to live the truth to which we pay such fervent lip service.


32. SteveE
April 6, 2008
6:29 PM

There are two trains of thoughts that you could take from this and the comments that followed. The first would be in the form of a lame joke, but one that is telling…”a man was complaining to his friend how terrible his life was and that he was now on his fifth divorce. He explained how he just couldn’t understand women and that he still hoped that a good woman might show up. His friend looked at him and shook his head. Maybe after the thrid divorce, his friend said with resignation, should consider that the problem might be YOU!”

As a good author once stated, “the freedom of Christ will never be found in the library. When doctrinal purity and precison take precedent over a life that was given to free us to live, then we have lost the intent of Christ’s purpose.” We become the Pharisees of this age. More concerned with the letter of the law, rather than the intent behind it.

Second, is that numbers and money are what make a movement. I would never say that Joyce Meyer was leading anyone any where. Nor would I say that the majority of folks out there were doing much leading…at least not in the right direction. Calvinist’s included. I have said this before, and I will repeat it…there are truths to be found in both sides of the Calvinist/Arminius division, and neither side has a monopoly of truth. The most basic assumption of any idea would be that two diametrically opposed ideas on the same subject is that the truth is somewhere between them. That does not make us wishy washy, it makes us merely willing to see that men who founded ideas of christianity 1500 years, or more, after Christ was here, should perhaps not be given such power to influence us, when scripture gives obvious contradiction to both sides.

Caution and open minds are what will lead us to Christ, not a dogmatic adherence to the beliefs that have serious questions in them.


33. David
April 7, 2008
2:02 AM

These are great comments and I know that growth in numbers (though pondish as it may be) is exiting. I agree that we should not follow Calvin on his own merit but to paraphrase the words of John MacArthur at Shepard’s 2008, We are bilicists. It just so happens that Calvin is also a biblicist. Our beloved TULIP is not, in and of itself a corner on the truth but it is an expression of what the bible teaches as true. I am a biblicist that has recently emerged from the ranks of watered down doctrine, and I pray for the sake of others stuck in a congregation of Arminian bent that reformed churches and pastors continue to “pop up”. It is God’s word that changes our hearts, not fellowship with contrary believers. I give God the glory for revealing his written word to me and I will rejoice to His glory for the sake of the lost that our so called movement grows.


34. John R.
April 7, 2008
4:28 PM

I think this article is helpful for keeping perspective, but I also think some of Scott’s comparisons are unfair. I haven’t read Colin’s book yet (though I did read the CT article after T4G two years ago), but I strongly doubt that he was trying to portray the new Calvinist movement as suddenly on a par, numbers- and influence-wise, with Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, and Rick Warren, who are the three biggest sellers in Christianity.

And even so, I think some of Scott’s comparisons are misguided. So Southern Baptist Seminary operates on $40 million a year, and Joyce Meyer’s ministry makes $95 million? That’s an odd way of comparing influence, to say the least. Unless the SBTS trustees are sending tens of millions of dollars to Joyce Meyer, there’s no validity to this comparison at all, unless the point is that Joyce Meyer customers don’t tend to send lots of money to Reformed seminaries (which we probably knew already). While her (admittedly awful) material is being sent out to individuals around the country, Southern Seminary is training thousands of future pastors, who in turn could soon be leading millions of others in the doctrines of grace. In other words, while Meyer is currently making a huge, shallow, one-hit puddle, the Reformed guys might be planting seeds that will grow exponentially down the road (to mix a few metaphors). Sales do not automatically equate influence.

For Scott’s comparisons to be completely valid, we would have to assume that one can only be “influential,” “growing,” “big,” or worth writing about when one has equalled the three largest evangelical entities in the world in sales and numbers. But does anyone really think that’s a fair bar to set for a book chronicling a new movement?

Living in an evangelical culture where Arminian and consumerist worldviews reign, of course the new Reformed are not going to suddenly and immediately overtake someone as perfectly suited to the zeitgeist as Rick Warren. But doesn’t the fact that a conference of Calvinists, which Scott admits could have drawn 5000 people (not to mention the thousands annual at Ligonier and Desiring God, among others) mean at least that something somewhat surprising is afoot? Especially when one considers, as Scott points out, that their books aren’t sold at Wal-Mart, and they have no board games (or TV shows, for that matter).

Yes, it would be absurd to claim that the “young, restless, and Reformed” contingent is set to suddently dominate American evangelicalism. But was Hansen or anyone else making such a claim? The fact yet that their influence does not yet rival the influence of people like Meyer, Osteen, and Warren (who are tailor-made for capitalizing on the current climate) doesn’t mean their influence is not important or potentially long-lasting.

Nonetheless, Scott’s correct when he tells us to be wary of being attracted to numbers and influence. The numbers on either side of this don’t make the positions more or less true.


35. SteveE
April 7, 2008
9:38 PM

David….

I’d have to disagree on the “Calvin is a biblicist”. There is a wide division between TULIP and scripture, as well as Arminius beliefs and scripture. God telling us that we are responsible for our sin, and being unable to keep from sinning are two directly opposable ideas. Thus, even from the most basic of Calvin’s ideologies, there arises a contradiction. One that Calvinism has tried, unsuccessfuly to explain….but then Armininism has been unsuccessful in saying that it is all about our choice.

Even in reformed circles, the adherence to Calvin’s foundation still leaves you with a house built on a crooked foundation. Again, the opposite is true. People are so focused on viewing scripture through the tinted glasses of their church, or belief, that God and His desires for our lives are filtered out. That doens’t make them bad, or ungodly….merely bereft of proper direction, or as the cautions proclaimed in the book…founded on real blindness to things out side their faith. We read books, view scripture, listen to sermons, and filter them all through our belief sein, and what doesn’t fit, we discard or explain away with paper thin explinations that resolve nothing, but placate our belief….even if it is wrong.

Thus, no matter what we proclaim…if we do these things we will still be damned in the end because we chose to believe a lie, rather than seek what God wanted from us.


36. chris
April 7, 2008
11:26 PM

Does Wal-Mart carry anything by Sproul, Piper, Mahaney?

Actually, yes. In my arminian days I picked up a book at Wal-Mart entitled the cross centered life. My wife and I were so turned on to the “cross-centerdness” of it that it was not long before we found ourselves in the reformed camp because of the soundness of reformed theology. I had no idea what calvinism was at the time (I was a “youth pastor”), but the title of the book caught my attention because I was experiencing a deep hunger for “cross theology”.
Yeah, but I get your point about the level of influence from reformed writers vs others.


37. Jeremiah Fyffe
April 9, 2008
11:05 AM

Thank you, Tim, for passing this along. This review is very helpful to me as I come to read this book.

As a counterpoint, Don Fields makes a good comment above (#4) that the real value of this growing reformed circle is certainly not in any sort of a majority position, but is in pastors becoming encouraged and going back to their churches and preaching and discipling well.

I am a young pastor and I was just sharing with some friends from my church that if there is a danger of burnout for me it is similar to the burnout that Elijah experienced. A few years ago I felt very alone in my passion for the gospel. I began to question my own reading of the Word. I stumbled upon oneplace.com (filled with sermons of all bents) and by God’s providence found John Piper’s original sermon series that led to his writing of Desiring God. I had only distantly heard of John Piper prior to this.

Since then I have found that I am not alone in a cave, but that God has preserved a remnant (please excuse the hyperbole). Yes, as Scott Lamb points out it is little more than a remnant, but it is still God’s remnant. And it is not an individualistic remnant either. It is because of this book/conference/blog community that I have discovered a “church” of mutual encouragement as we each minister the gospel that unites us in our own mission fields.

Please, God, do not puff us up by making us rich and mighty, or something to be counted. But, Lord, make your name great as you reveal the light of the gospel of the glory of Jesus Christ through this remnant generation that is enamored by your grace.


38. Joel
April 14, 2008
11:29 PM

There is a Joel Osteen board game? Like “The Game of Your Best life Now?” Why doesn’t that surprise me? And why does his name have to be Joel anyway? Of all the people, and all the names, HE has to have MY name.


39. Douglas
April 15, 2008
10:51 AM

Hmmm…a book about the resurgence of Calvinism, interesting. I became a Calvinist last summer and it was mostly blogs [such as this one] which introduced me to Calvinism, yet Mr. Hansen seems not to have looked at the explosion of Reformed blogs and websites, i.e. Monergism and www.reformed.org


40. Mark Olivero
April 15, 2008
3:55 PM

For all the ‘resurgence’ in Reformed theology and the talk of resurgence perhaps there is a greater work afoot. Could it be that there is a remnant of young people who are hungry for more than the post-moderate church’s mile wide but inch deep milk sweetened by the artificial flavors of the pagan culture? Lord give us steak (heb 5:12). Could it be that there is not so much a resurgence in Calvin, but in Calvin’s God - the God of Elijah? May it be so.

Whether in the legacy of John Calvin or not, what an awakening to God’s Truth there might be if we are trully hungry for the things of God preserved in His Holy Word, the immovable foundations of the church and its doctrine, the glory of God for which she labors and the advance of the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ that converts the soul and makes saints of mere men.