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Wednesday October 28, 2009

Sexual Detox III: A Theology of Sex

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This is the third article in a series targeted specifically at young men but applying, I am learning, to all of us. So far I have written about Pornifying the Marriage Bed and about Breaking Free.

Sexual Detox 2

What did God create first: hunger or food? Did God make man hungry and then invent food to fill the need? Or did God first invent food and then give man an appetite which would motivate him, drive him, to pursue that good gift? Where you or I might invent a need before the ability to meet it, God sees the end before the beginning. He creates good gifts and only then does he create a need for them; he does not create a need for which there is no fulfillment. My topic today is sex and I want to offer a brief theology of sex and of sexual desire. I want to help you see why God created sex, why he created sexual desire, and why he has given sexual desire in unequal measure.

Sex
God gives us sex because it has unique power in drawing a husband to his wife and a wife to her husband. He knows this because he is the one who invented it! He made it so that it is far more than the sum of its parts. We could describe sex in terms of body parts and hormones, but we would not be any closer to understanding it than if we were to describe a cake only in terms of its ingredients—flour and milk and eggs (or if we were to describe the Lord’s Supper making reference only to eating bread and drinking wine). Sex goes far beyond merely the physical and instead extends to the emotional, the spiritual. It is through sexual union that two are made one, that they are bound together; there is a mystery to it that can only really be compared in impact to the union of God’s people to God as they are grafted into him.

God gave us something remarkably powerful and was wise to place strict boundaries on it. He has every right to do so because he is the one who has created sex and who has given it its function. Sex, then, is to be shared only between a husband and a wife, and cannot be extended to others either before marriage or during marriage (Matthew 5:27,28). Sex must not be stirred up or awakened until the time is right (Song of Solomon 8:4). Sex is to be practiced regularly throughout a marriage (1 Corinthians 7:1-5). Such boundaries are not intended to inhibit freedom but to enhance freedom. When we use the gift as God intends it, we gain great joy and freedom in it. When we abuse the gift, we ultimately suffer for such abuse.

The purpose of sex, then, is to provide a unique means through which a husband and wife can know one another, serve one another, express vulnerability before one another, give and receive. No other area in marriage offers so much to gain and so much to lose. No other area in marriage so closely grafts the couple together. And no message could be further from what is shown in pornography!

Many theologians have attempted to get at the deepest meaning of sex. “Sex is a picture, a metaphor, to point us to the joys of heaven,” they might say. And perhaps this is so. But I don’t find that the Bible tells us this clearly. Neither am I convinced that we need to find some deeper meaning in sex in order to affirm its goodness. Sex is inherently good because it was created by a good God. We do not need to construct a complex theology around it as if it is only good in some kind of secondary sense. It is perfectly good in and of itself. Even if its ultimate meaning is no deeper than pleasure and mutual fulfillment, it is good because God is good. He could easily have decreed that sex be an integral part of every marriage and then made it inherently unpleasurable. He did not. Instead he made sex almost transcendent in its pleasure. At its best, sex really transcends most of life’s other pleasures in its uniqueness, in its joy, in its freedom and vulnerability. And in these things, sex draws a husband and wife together in a completely unique and unparalleled way.

When you understand this you must also understand why sex is meant to be enjoyed only between a husband and wife. You understand why God forbids pre-marital sex (fornication), why he forbids extra-marital sex (adultery) and why he even forbids selfish sex (masturbation). All these things make a mockery of the real thing. All these things abuse his good gift.

Desire
Along with sex, God created sexual desire. As a young man I, like so many others, battled with the inability to express my awakening sexual desire and even remember crying out to God to ask why he would give it to me. So often sexual desire is a heavy burden. The answer to my questions came only later.

There are some who say that sexual desire is meant only to motivate procreation—that the desire to have sex will draw a husband and wife together with the happy and ultimate result of conception. Here C.S. Lewis applies a helpful corrective (in Mere Christianity). He affirms that the biological purpose of sex is procreation (and let’s not lose sight of this important purpose to sex) but draws a helpful parallel to the appetite for food. The biological purpose of eating is to repair the body and though some people are given to overindulgence, we find that the appetite goes only a little way beyond its biological purpose. A man may eat twice as much food as his body needs for its biological purpose, but few will eat even that much. When it comes to sex, though, the appetite far exceeds its biological purpose. If the sexual appetite matched its biological function either a person would only desire sex a few times in a lifetime or he would have thousands of children. Does this not teach us that God desires that we have sex for reasons beyond procreation? The only other alternative is that this appetite is a product of sin and ought to be suppressed. But no, this cannot be. The Bible is clear that legitimate sexual desire, desire within a marriage and a desire for one’s spouse, is legitimate before God.

God gives a man sexual desire, a sexual appetite, because he wants him to have sex with his wife. Can’t it be just that simple? And what’s more, he gives him a strong appetite that surpasses any kind of biological purpose because he wants the couple to have sex a lot. After all, the only admonition in Scripture regarding the frequency of married sex is to permit a brief pause with a defined end and even then only for the specific reason of dedicating time to prayer (see again 1 Corinthians 7) and still even then only if it is mutually agreed upon. In fact, the Bible goes so far as to say that a wife’s body belongs to her husband—that he has authority over her body—and a husband’s body belongs to his wife—she has authority over his body. The ruling principle is that husbands and wives are to have sex often and not to refuse one another this special gift.

Sex is such an integral part of the relationship of husband to wife and wife to husband that God has given the desire to participate in it, to enjoy it. This sexual desire motivates a man to pursue a wife and to marry her so together they can enjoy sex. This desire motivates a man to keep pursuing his wife even after they are married. Without this desire, this appetite, it would be far easier for us to avoid carrying out our God-given duty to have sex (and lots of it) and through it to experience intimacy and unity (and lots of it). So God gives the desire that is meant to be fulfilled in only that way. If we did not experience pangs of hunger we might not eat. If we stopped eating, our bodies would stop repairing themselves and we would die. If we did not experience sexual desire we might not have sex. And if we stopped having sex, our marriages would suffer and die. Sexual desire, then, is a gift of God given not to torment but to motivate obedience. When a young man inevitably feels sexual desire it is not an invitation to pornography and masturbation, but a nudge toward marriage.

Unequal Desire
Yet sexual desire, the appetite for sex, is not given in equal measure. It is typically given in greater part to men. Why is this? The answer, I’m convinced, goes right to the heart of the husband-wife relationship. God commands that men, husbands, be leaders. Men are to take the leading role while women are to follow. God intends that men take leadership even in sex and, therefore, he gives to men a greater desire for it. This way men can lead their wives, taking the initiative, taking care to love their wives in such a way that they wish to have sex with their husbands. Generally speaking, a man finds intimacy and acceptance through sex while a woman needs to first experience intimacy and acceptance before she can be prepared to enjoy sex. And so God gives the man a sexual appetite so he can in turn provide for his wife’s needs before she provides for his. His sexual appetite cannot be separated from his leadership. If the woman were to lead in this regard, if she were to always be the sexual instigator, the husband would be far less likely to pursue his wife and seek to meet her unique needs. Do you see the beautiful dance here? The husband has a desire that only his wife can meet, a desire for his wife; therefore, he takes the lead in seeking to fulfill that desire. He does this by meeting the desires of his wife that will, in turn, cause her to see and appreciate and eventually fulfill his desires. And then, in that act of consummation, God grants a grace that surpasses the mere union of flesh and blood.

As the husband leads, the wife is called by God to submit to her husband’s leadership even in the marriage bed. As in other areas of life, she is called to defy leadership only if her husband demands of her something that would violate her conscience or God’s law. We can see this as a responsibility of the wife but we must also see it as a particular responsibility of the husband. He is to lead in such a way that his wife will have no reason to refuse him. He must be sensitive to her needs, to her desires. He must acknowledge the times where, for one reason or another, she would find it exceedingly difficult to give herself to him and must keep from cajoling her into acts that would make her uncomfortable or leave her feeling violated. He needs to exemplify leadership as a servant even here in the bedroom. His first thoughts must be for her. A husband may tend towards being either a bully or a push-over in the bedroom—to abuse leadership by domination or abdication. He must do neither.

If Adam and Eve enjoyed sex before their fall into sin (I’m under the impression that the Fall happened soon after Creation but that there was some time between the two events; therefore, they must have enjoyed perfect sex for a while.) there must not have been an occasion where Eve refused Adam because there was never a time when he was not thinking first of her. What reason would she have to refuse? But after they sinned, when Adam stopped thinking first of Eve and when she began to rebel against his leadership, this is when sex became a struggle. And it remains a struggle today. I know that most husbands and wives will testify that they have had more fights and arguments about sex than about anything else. The most special means of grace to a husband and wife has become the greatest cause of strife. And this is exactly as Satan intends it. Satan hates any kind of pleasure but will still use it for his ends. His plan is that people should have as much sex outside of the marriage relationship and as little within the marriage relationship as is possible. His plan is to mask, to hide, the true purpose of sex behind the pleasure it brings simply as a physical act. It is a clever plan and one that has been proven effective time and time again.

Do you see how pornography distorts all of this? Pornography makes a mockery of the purposes of sex, sexual desire and unequal sexual desire. Where God says the purpose of sex is to build unity between a husband and a wife, pornography says it is about fulfilling any perceived need with any partner, willing or unwilling. Where sexual desire is good, given to cause a husband to pursue his wife (and a wife her husband) pornography says it cannot and should not be controlled. All of the messages of pornography go directly against God’s purposes.

We may not understand exactly what sex does within a marriage, but we can trust that God has his reasons for inventing it and commanding it. Sex is a call for a husband to pursue his wife and to lead her, as a servant, into a deeper understanding and appreciation of this gift. It is a call for a wife to serve her husband, trusting him and trusting that God’s gifts, when used as he intends them, always bring good.

OK, so to this point in the series I’ve challenged young men to see that their whole perception of sex may be tainted by their use of pornography and now I’ve attempted to give just a glimpse of God’s purpose for sex. Tomorrow I will talk about “normal” sex. In the meantime, do feel free to continue contacting me if you have questions or concerns you’d like me to address. You are free to contact me anonymously.

Read Part IV.

Comments (31) »


1. Darrell
October 28, 2009
9:41 AM

To your first point, didn’t God create man with a need for companionship and then only later create the wife he needed?

Ok, that’s nitpicky but it’s what came to mind.


2. anonymous
October 28, 2009
9:43 AM

I have definitely enjoyed this series.It is very important and helpful to me, right now.

One question I have is, how do we know that God created sexual desire. I mean, it feels as if the argument is that God is the creator and therefore He created sex, and created it to be a great good. But did he also not create the marijuana plant or hallucenegenic mushrooms? I am not persuaded by the argument that something exists, therefore God created it, and created it to be used in the way in which he intend to use it. I am not someone who is saying sex is bad, etc - I am just looking for Biblical justification for “God created sex.”

(I guess there are references in Song of Solomon which people say are sexual, but I have always seen that book as about Christ and his Bride - not a how to manual as some evangelicals are using it today)


3. Anonymous
October 28, 2009
9:47 AM

I would love to have some verses that specify that masturbation is a sin - of course it is if it is accompanied by lust, and I am not looking for justification for it, but it seems to me that a lot of people throw the statement around that it’s a sin without defending it (like what people do with calling alcohol a sin, though Scripture just says drunkenness is.).


4. Tim Challies
October 28, 2009
9:54 AM

Anonymous,

You will not find a Bible verse that says, “Thou shalt not masturbate.” What you will find, though, is what I’m trying to provide here: a theology of sex that shows why masturbation does not fit within God’s plan. When you understand real sex, you understand why fake sex like masturbation must be sinful.


5. Tim Challies
October 28, 2009
9:55 AM

To your first point, didn’t God create man with a need for companionship and then only later create the wife he needed?

I suppose I can concede that…though of course we know that God had created “female”—he just had not yet actually formed a woman. So he held back the women to show Adam his need even though God already knew how he would meet that need.


6. Dan H.
October 28, 2009
9:55 AM

Tim, You ended your post with:

“OK, so to this point in the series I’ve challenged young men to see that their whole perception of sex may be tainted by their use of pornography and now Ive attempted to give just a glimpse of Gods purpose for sex. “

Oh how I wish I understood what I understand today on this very subject! At 55 years of age I echo Tim’s heartfelt entreaty to all young men to look at themselves honestly and with clarity of heart! Also, be warned that pornography is not only limited to seedy theaters, bad magazines, and special channels on the cable system. We are surrounded by it in our everyday experiences. The media and our culture are saturated with clear violations of God’s design and intentions!

Tim, I look forward to your future posts on this subject! As a sinful man who has violated almost every biblical tenet on this subject; I can affirm that this message to our young (and old) Christian men is important beyond words! Yes, words fail me to adequately express my guilt and my sincere appreciation to you for doing this series!

Oh how badly I have burdened our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

May the message of this series help other men to not make the mistakes I’ve made!

In Christ,

Dan…


7. Tim Challies
October 28, 2009
9:59 AM

how do we know that God created sexual desire.

Again, when we understand God’s purpose for sex, we understand why he must also have created sexual desire (just like he created hunger). The desire is part of the pleasure and it also motivates people to pursue the pleasure and the goodness it brings.

(I guess there are references in Song of Solomon which people say are sexual, but I have always seen that book as about Christ and his Bride - not a how to manual as some evangelicals are using it today)

Traditionally many Christians understood Song of Solomon as a metaphor about Christ and the church. Today, though, that is increasingly a minority opinion. However, I would also not want to see it as a how-to manual. Instead I think it simply stands as a celebration of the goodness of sex and sexuality. It doesn’t tell us how to as much as it tells us just to do it and to do it with joy and freedom within its proper context.


8. Lori
October 28, 2009
10:13 AM

Hi Tim,

As I become more and more attuned to the gentle and peaceful Spirit who indwells me, I have come to receive with joy the indescribable peace with which He fills me on rare and special occasions. My Wonderful Counsellor ratifies Truth in my heart, mind, and soul, by using His word as the measuring stick, by the wisdom of godly men and women, and by other means. However, there are some times where I literally feel His peaceful nod of assent. Such was my experience upon reading today’s article.

Discernment and wisdom are good for the soul. God bless you.


9. Tim Irvin
October 28, 2009
10:29 AM

“Sex must not be stirred up or awakened until the time is right (Song of Solomon 8:4).”
How do you explain your statement above with your other statement below?
“As a young man I, like so many others, battled with the inability to express my awakening sexual desire…”
Did you “awaken” your sexual desire or was it “awakening” on its own?

I’m going to share something here that I’ve never told anyone before and will never tell anyone again. I hope it serves to give everyone some pause as they contemplate this topic.

My wife was stricken with a disease, after we were married for several years, that makes it impossible for her to have sex. I’m telling this because I believe everyone should know that their sex life, even in marriage, is not guaranteed and may not be what they invisioned before marriage.

While all of this, feel good theology, appeals to our sinful natures it shouldn’t be forgotten that God cursed us:
Gen 3:16 “Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”

The only “Theology of Sex” is this: the bed is undefiled in marriage.



10. DrLizW
October 28, 2009
11:06 AM

Tim wrote: “He creates good gifts and only then does he create a need for them; he does not create a need for which there is no fulfillment.”

Thank you, Tim Irvin, for the reminder that, for some of us, he has created this good gift of sex but not provided us an outlet or means of fulfillment. I know I am not alone, especially among Christian women, in desiring marriage but not being able to make it happen (and certainly not without compromising in areas where compromise is neither allowable nor wise). But, as Tim Irwin pointed out, even within marriage there are those who cannot fulfill this need that God created in us for sex.

While I believe God is good, and he has a good purpose for leaving this need unfulfilled in my life, that doesn’t make less painful or easier to understand. I think Tim (Challies) neglected in this otherwise excellent post to recognize that for some, God created this need but has not created an avenue (present or likely future) for fulfillment (and just because I’m celibate, doesn’t mean I’m “gifted” with celibacy and thus don’t struggle with sexual desire!).

Boundless.org recently had an article on sexual compassion by Gary Thomas. In it he said:

“How cold we must seem sometimes when we act as if sexual purity is not that big of a deal. The sexual drive is a major deal, and as one who has been sexually active in marriage for over two decades, I have no right to dismiss the very painful struggle behind God’s command for those in frustrating circumstances who can’t at the moment express or enjoy themselves sexually.”


11. Neil
October 28, 2009
11:12 AM

I don’t remember the verse but the bible does say that if you can’t do something in faith then it is sin. Does masturbating bring glory to God? Would you excuse yourself from your Sunday school class to masturbate? I know this is a tough subject and if you are single or have a wife that does not want sex more than once a month the temptation is enormous. However, Leviticus 15:16-18 makes a distinction between sex with your wife and an emission of semen from some other act. You can argue for and against it but I think getting caught up in practicing it will more often than not lead to more temptation than most can handle. A pastor at a church I attended as a teen told us that before we use our body to commit any type of sin whether sexual, stealing, or whatever, to think about the fact that as a Christian we are filled with the Spirit of Christ and that if He is in us then when we act out a sin we are bringing Jesus along for the ride. Imagining Jesus right there watching has helped me on several occasions to make the right choice. We are all going to fall but the more we include Christ in our decisions the harder it becomes to fall.

I have been reading this blog for a little over a year now and I really appreciate what you’re doing here Tim. I think this is a topic that needs to be dealt with more often and more openly than it currently is. I will be praying for you.


12. Thom Bullock
October 28, 2009
11:50 AM

On the topic of finding a deeper meaning to sex - I agree, Tim, that it’s enough to say “God is good, and He made something good”, but understanding sex and marriage generally as a picture of eternal intimacy with God does help clear up the “not married in heaven” thing.

Thank you for this series of posts.


13. Jesse Taylor
October 28, 2009
2:21 PM

Thanks Tim,
A much needed topic to address. I have learned from your thoughts. May God give us men strength to love our wives as Christ loves the Church. May we fathers and leaders/mentors have the wisdom of God to rightly teach and guide the children God has entrusted to us.


14. Virginia
October 28, 2009
2:28 PM

Hi Tim, Thanks for this great series.

I agree that there is an unequal desire for sex, although men should note that women not only desire to be cherished by their husbands (thereby making them more receptive to having sex), but they also desire to have, well, there is no other way of saying it – a climax. It may appear that this is an obvious point, but I believe that there are many men who believe that a woman will achieve orgasm in the same way they do. This is very often not the case. One of the reasons that men may have this notion is indeed what many men find in pornography – women who seemingly enjoy whatever it is that the man enjoys. Tim, you state “And so God gives the man a sexual appetite so he can in turn provide for his wife’s needs before she provides for his.” It is unclear to me if you are referring to providing for the wife’s emotional needs prior to her fulfilling his sexual needs, or if you mean the husband will satisfy the wife’s sexual needs before she provides for his. You may in fact mean both. For me the issue is this: In some measure, pornography has taught men that women are able to achieve orgasm in the same “way” a man can. I believe this very well may be one of the reasons women do not want to have sex as frequently as men. Women not only want to feel loved and cared for outside of the bedroom, but just like men, they want to be physically satisfied within the bedroom.

Again, thanks for taking on a “gutsy” topic. Oh, and Sola gratia!


15. Renee
October 28, 2009
2:41 PM

Tim,

Incredible insight on this subject. I’ll be sharing this with friends. I’ve never read anything more clear on the topic.


16. Tim Challies
October 28, 2009
3:11 PM

It is unclear to me if you are referring to providing for the wife’s emotional needs prior to her fulfilling his sexual needs, or if you mean the husband will satisfy the wife’s sexual needs before she provides for his.

Thanks for the comments, Virginia. What I meant was that the husband should take the lead in satisfying all of his wife’s needs so that she can, in turn, respond and meet his. So I wasn’t referring to the act itself as much as the lead-up to the act and, even more so, the general “life posture” (for lack of a better word or phrase) that would make both of them desirous of fulfilling God’s will for them to enjoy regular sexual union.


17. Anonymous
October 28, 2009
4:28 PM

Tim:
¿What about of a married man that is far from his home, for example, and masturbate, thinking or talking with her wife for avoid some real temptation?


18. An Ony Mouse
October 28, 2009
9:50 PM

Challies wrote:
“Yet sexual desire, the appetite for sex, is not given in equal measure. It is typically given in greater part to men.”

What’s your basis for this?


19. An Ony Mouse
October 28, 2009
9:51 PM

Is it good for men who are still unmarried to seek women who have a great desire for sex?


20. An Ony Mouse
October 28, 2009
9:51 PM

Regarding my last post, I meant to say, “Is it OKAY for …”


21. An Ony Mouse
October 28, 2009
9:55 PM

There are some men who don’t/won’t have a great desire for sex. In this case, since the motivation is not there, is it okay if the wife takes the initiative to have sex? Is it okay for the wife to woo and romance the husband if she wants to have sex? I’m assuming that women enjoy having sex and don’t do it just for the sake of the husband.


22. An Ony Mouse
October 28, 2009
9:57 PM

A man may have a low or no desire for sex. In this case, he may have the same degree for sex as his wife. In this case, can they just opt out of sex, since their _needs_ are just for friendship and emotional intimacy and acceptance.


23. Liz
October 29, 2009
7:29 AM

Ah, youth, a time when sex is a major concern. As men AND women age, hormone levels change and sexual desire is no longer such a preoccupation (although it doesn’t go away). It probably sounds awful to younger people, but it’s actually kind of a relief and it frees up a lot of energy to put into other things in life. As for porn, eh (shrug), once you’ve seen an image of two (or more) people engaging in sex, you’ve seen ‘em all. (That’s the point of view of an oldster.) It will be interesting to see how the focus of this blog changes over time as the blogger ages.


24. Tim Challies
October 29, 2009
9:07 AM

It will be interesting to see how the focus of this blog changes over time as the blogger ages.

Indeed, it will. Do note, though, that this series is written specifically to target young men. And for them sexual desire is on the rise, not yet on the decline!


25. Tim Challies
October 29, 2009
9:11 AM

“Yet sexual desire, the appetite for sex, is not given in equal measure. It is typically given in greater part to men.” What’s your basis for this?

Reality. Like just about everything else in life, there are exceptions. But in the vast majority of cases, men have a stronger sex drive than do women. I don’t think that is something I really need to defend.

In this case, since the motivation is not there, is it okay if the wife takes the initiative to have sex? Is it okay for the wife to woo and romance the husband if she wants to have sex? I’m assuming that women enjoy having sex and don’t do it just for the sake of the husband.

There is nothing wrong with a woman indicating that she would like to have sex and wooing her husband. Just about any husband would tell you that this is a dream come true! Generally, though, I would say it is God’s normal plan that the man take leadership in this. Whether it is sinful or not for a man to abdicate this role, I don’t really know.

A man may have a low or no desire for sex. In this case, he may have the same degree for sex as his wife. In this case, can they just opt out of sex, since their _needs_ are just for friendship and emotional intimacy and acceptance.

I disagree. God says not to stop having sex. Therefore, couples ought to maintain the sexual component of their relationship, even if the physical desire is not there. Now obviously age and circumstance and health and other factors can interfere. But generally speaking, it seems clear that as long as people are able, God tells them to have sex as a regular part of their relationship.


26. SM
October 29, 2009
7:53 PM

An Ony Mouse: “Yet sexual desire, the appetite for sex, is not given in equal measure. It is typically given in greater part to men.” What’s your basis for this?

Challies: ” Reality. Like just about everything else in life, there are exceptions. But in the vast majority of cases, men have a stronger sex drive than do women. I don’t think that is something I really need to defend.”

http://health.discovery.com/centers/sex/sexpedia/hormone.html

“However, there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that because women have less testosterone than men do, they have lower sexual interest than their male counterparts. Instead, it seems that women detect and react to much smaller amounts of testosterone in their circulation than men do.”

I don’t doubt you can find research or studies to support your claim, but who or what are the researchers (underwriters) selling?


27. Bonnie
October 29, 2009
8:25 PM

On unequal desire: I am no expert on this, but am not so sure that the disparity is as great as it may seem. I think that young men — boys — discover their sexual function earlier than girls do, generally, and there is an ease to their physical release that is not shared by many women. Women are tuned in sexually to more personal, dare I say deeper, treatment than perhaps men are, in general. I think that if womens’ true sexuality is taken into consideration, we might find that level of desire between the sexes is actually pretty close.


28. sm
October 29, 2009
9:20 PM

An Ony Mouse: “…is it okay if the wife takes the initiative to have sex? Is it okay for the wife to woo and romance the husband if she wants to have sex?”

Challies: “There is nothing wrong with a woman indicating that she would like to have sex and wooing her husband. Just about any husband would tell you that this is a dream come true! Generally, though, I would say it is God’s normal plan that the man take leadership in this.”

Men are created to be initiators (leaders in sex) and women responders, but if, however, in the sphere of sex women are given a pass to initiate (lead in sex “indicate” or “woo”) which could quite possibly be a rather frequent or at least a regular occurrence, is it possible that women could lead or take initiative in other areas as well?

Specifically how does the Bible outline clearly that “God’s normal plan” is that men take leadership in the area of sex? What scriptures clearly set out this tenet?

I noticed when asked if a wife may initiate sex, you responded a wife may “indicate that she would like to have sex” and that she may “woo” her husband? Do you consider this behavior taking initiative? Is there a level of subtlety that is to be maintained so as not venture into initiation or leadership?

Challies: “Whether it is sinful or not for a man to abdicate this role, I don’t really know.”

Do you believe that God’s plan is for men to take leadership in the husband-wife relationship? If so, is it a sin for a man to abdicate his leadership role as it relates to being a provider, protector, spiritual leader or in any other way a man is suppose to exercise leadership? If so, then wouldn’t it be a sin for a man to abdicate leadership in the area of sex if it is God’s normal plan for man to be the leader in the sexual relationship?

Is it a violation of God’s design for womanhood for a wife to exercise leadership in a way that was God’s intention for man—i.e. provision, protection, spirituality? If so, wouldn’t it be a sin (violation of God’s design and plan for manhood and womanhood) for the wife lead out in the area of sex?

At the very least, if one does not know if it is a sin for a man to abdicate his leadership role in the area of sex, wouldn’t it be best to advise against it?


29. sm
October 29, 2009
9:49 PM

Challies: “…sexual desire, the appetite for sex, is not given in equal measure. It is typically given in greater part to men. Why is this? The answer, I’m convinced, goes right to the heart of the husband-wife relationship. God commands that men, husbands, be leaders. Men are to take the leading role while women are to follow. God intends that men take leadership even in sex and, therefore, he gives to men a greater desire for it.”

If leadership is rooted in an innate greater sexual desire, would a female/wife with a greater sexual appetite than her husband therefore be the leader? If a wife has a greater sexual appetite than her husband, would it not be aberrant?

Where does God command that men be leaders and women are to follow—not, inferred patterns, but implicit commands?


30. sm
October 29, 2009
10:01 PM

Last line should have been: “…not inferred patterns, but explicit commands?”


31. Jenny
October 31, 2009
3:02 PM

One thing I rarely see discussed is how the practice of circumcision affects the sexual experiences of both men and women, generally adversely. What is done to baby boys today is far more extreme than what was done under Jewish law. Not to say men who are circumcised don’t enjoy sex, or that their partners won’t, but having a foreskin is a significant advantage. Google “foreskin restoration” or “sexual effects of circumcision” and see what you find. I won’t go into details here, but I think it’s a topic worth researching, especially for those who are faced with this decision after having a baby boy.