God, Max & Me - I’ve felt a little bit brain-dead this week. Grieved by the shallowness of my devotional life and my difficulty in making sufficient time for it, I recently decided to try a whole new approach. I now wake up an hour earlier than I used to but leave my Bible on the shelf. I get up a good long time before the sun comes up and head outdoors with just my iPod which I have loaded with hymns, classical music and Max McLean’s recording of the ESV. I walk the darkened streets of Oakville for a time I affectionately call “God, Max & Me.” To this point I have really enjoyed this time and I’m grateful for the technology that allows this. It is awfully difficult to drag my tired carcass out of bed at such a ridiculous hour, but it has proven well worth it. I am surprised at how much I am enjoying listening to the Bible instead of reading it. I can easily walk for an hour, listening to Scripture, listening to hymns and praying and return home wishing I could spend another hour doing the same. I assume my body will eventually adjust to waking up earlier as since I began doing this I’ve had trouble thinking, writing, working and generally staying awake! But even so, it has been worth it.
Sermoncloud - Here’s an interesting idea. Sermoncloud is a site that provides “advanced sermon syndication.” “Sermon Cloud is a website for a community to interact with sermons. What are the powerful sermons people are listening to? Who are the up-and-coming preachers of the day? Where are the messages about themes that you need to hear? How can you find a great preacher in your home town? Sermon Cloud was designed to help you with all of these questions. Sermon Cloud users help let each other know which sermons they amen. An ‘amen’ is a recommendation of the sermon. Users can post comments about their interaction with these sermons (even the comments can be designated as helpful or unhelpful).” As sermons are recommended, they become apparent to a wider audience, thus suggesting that better sermons will be heard by more people. Obviously the usefulness of the site depends, in large part, to the quality of the sermons. To this point it appears that many of the pastors are engaged in biblical preaching. But certainly having more preachers who deliberately and humbly exposit the Scriptures would increase the value of the site.
Clarity and Mystery - Just this morning I was discussing Tozer’s The Knowledge of the Holy with some friends. We had read his chapter on “God Incomprehensible” and we noted that a book about knowing God began with a chapter affirming that God is incomprehensible. Yet Tozer is careful to state that while we can never know all there is to know about God, He has still revealed much about Himself and we can know these things with confidence. “‘What is God like?’ If by that question we mean ‘What is God like in Himself there is no answer. If we mean ‘What has God disclosed about Himself that the reverent reason can comprehend?’ there is, I believe, an answer both full and satisfying. For while the name of God is secret and His essential nature incomprehensible, He in condescending love has by revelation declared certain things to be true of Himself.”
We spoke of the Emerging Church Movement and of the way they celebrate doubt over certainty. This is something I was struck by (read it here) several months ago after hearing Brian McLaren speak. A faith which measures maturity by doubt rather than confidence is, frankly, ridiculous and unscriptural.
Interestingly, when I returned home I opened up my RSS reader and found the following on Phil Johnson’s blog:
This morning, I taped a one-hour interview with John MacArthur on the Emerging Church Movement. He spoke with his usual candor about various trends in the post-evangelical wasteland. He said one of the worst tendencies of the “emerging” spirit is the way it exaggerates and venerates mystery at the expense of the Bible’s clarity. Denying the perspicuity of Scripture has the same practical outcome as denying the truthfulness of Scripture. The essential message of Scripture is not unclear or uncertain, and Jesus Himself bore testimony to that fact repeatedly.
It is also worth quoting John Frame who writes the following about doubt:
[T]he Bible presents doubt largely in negative terms. It is a spiritual impediment, an obstacle to doing God’s work (Matt. 14:31; 21:21; 28:17; Acts 10:20; 11:12; Rom. 14:23; 1 Tim. 2:8; James 1:6). In Matthew 14:31 and Romans 14:23 it is the opposite of faith and therefore a sin. Of course, this sin, like other sins, may remain with us through our earthly life. But we should not be complacent about it. Just as the ideal for the Christian life is a perfect holiness, the ideal for the Christian mind is absolute certainty about God’s revelation.We should not conclude, however, that doubt is always sinful. Matthew 14:31 and Romans 14:23 (and indeed the other texts I have listed) speak of doubt in the fact of clear special revelation. To doubt what God has clearly spoken to us is wrong. But in other situations, it is not wrong to doubt. In many cases, in fact, it is wrong for us to claim knowledge, much less certainty. Indeed, often the best course is to admit our ignorance (Deut. 29:29, Rom. 11:33-36). Paul is not wrong to express uncertainty about the number of people he baptized (1 Cor. 1:16). Indeed, James tells us, we are not always ignorant of the future to some extent and we should not pretend to know more about it than we do (James 4:13-16). Job’s friends were wrong to think that they knew the reasons for his torment, and Job himself had to be humbled, as God reminded him of his ignorance (Job 38-42).
But as to our salvation, God wants us to know that we know him (1 John 5:13)…
The Bible celebrates confidence, not doubt. The Emerging Church celebrates doubt, not confidence. You do the math.





Comments (17) »
1. DLE
September 15, 2006
10:14 AM
Tim,
Hope you get a lot out of The Knowledge of the Holy. Not only is it the best books on the nature of God that I’ve ever read, it’s one of the best books ever written, IMHO.
Be blessed.
2. theophilus
September 15, 2006
11:08 AM
Tim,
Sermon Cloud does sound like it can be useful. One point of clarification, though: Just because a sermon is popular does not mean it’s a good sermon (I know you already know this). People will always gather around themselves teachers who are willing to say what their itching ears long to hear, to suit their own passions. (2 Tim 4:3). Joel Osteen’s sermon on dieting may be listened to by thousands of people, but that does not make it a good sermon.
This is not to blame Sermon Cloud. Those of us who download and listen to sermons also have the power to choose which messages interest us, and which ones we want to skip. That’s why sitting under good expository preaching in the local church is vital—so that we get the whole counsel of God. The Spirit in this way will speak to us about areas we were perhaps not inclined to listen to and reflect on.
Thanks for the other thoughts as well. I am going to try to “emerge” out of bed earlier to have more time for prayer, quiet time, and reading.
3. Jim Vellenga
September 15, 2006
11:25 AM
Sermon Cloud looks like just the thing I am looking for as a place to put sermons online. At least it would be worth checking out :)
4. s. zeilenga
September 15, 2006
12:39 PM
Tim -
Yeah, I have found that if I wake up an hour earlier but don’t dive right into scripture it gives me time to wake up, get out of my dreams and take a shower. Then I have a whole extra hour still in there to meet with God. For a long time I was getting up an hour early and grabbing my bible and reading while still half asleep. I got nothing out of it. But now that I am moving the devotional time back a little bit I am getting a lot more out of it.
z.
5. Julian
September 15, 2006
12:53 PM
Tim:
1. Listening to the Bible being read well is a fantastic blessing of living in our day and age. It is interesting that it has taken us this long to realize that the Bible was, in large part, written to be read aloud and heard. It wasn’t until relatively recent history that Christians began to pile up dozens of Bible translations on their bookshelves for them to peruse at their leisure.
2. If the acronym for “Really Simple Syndication” is RSS, what are we to do with “Advanced Sermon Syndication”?
6. Tim Challies
September 15, 2006
1:37 PM
“For a long time I was getting up an hour early and grabbing my bible and reading while still half asleep.”
If I were to jump in the shower, I’d wake the kids. So that’s out. I head outside to help me wake up. It’s pitch dark still at that hour, so if I don’t wake up I’ll go about half a block before tripping over a raccoon or something…
7. moosiecat
September 15, 2006
2:45 PM
“It’s pitch dark still at that hour, so if I don’t wake up I’ll go about half a block before tripping over a raccoon or something…”
what a visual…too funny… :)
8. seeker
September 15, 2006
3:23 PM
I think McClaren’s stance is an overreaction to the hubris of the fundamenatlists, particularly, in making secondary doctrines central, and excluding those who don’t believe them. I also think that our failure to recognize and affirm common (not revealed) truths in other faith systems has been a mistake.
I too have been listening to McCarthur’s latest 5 part series on the emerging church. As usual, he is bold and confident, and makes very important points about the exccesses and doctrinal errors of the movement, but I’ve only gotten throught the first hour, and he has yet to affirm any of the important questions they are asking, or how the errors of modern fundamentalism have contributed to the existence of the emerging church - I’m sure he thinks it is just a ruse of Satan.
I recommend these posts:
9. Valerie (Kyriosity)
September 15, 2006
3:43 PM
I’m torn between reacting to Sermoncloud with an enthusiastic “Way cool!” or a curmudgeonly distrust in the thing’s potential to feed our culture’s consumeristic mentality toward the preaching of God’s Word.
10. mpethe
September 15, 2006
4:09 PM
“I think McClaren’s stance is an overreaction to the hubris of the fundamenatlists, particularly, in making secondary doctrines central, and excluding those who don’t believe them.”
Can you cite a specific example of what you’re thinking of?
” I also think that our failure to recognize and affirm common (not revealed) truths in other faith systems has been a mistake.”
Can you explain why this is a mistake?
11. seeker
September 15, 2006
6:02 PM
I think i covered those things in the posts above (and their comments), but very briefly:
Non-essential doctrines that we should be able to agree on and not be considered apostate:
- eschatology (pre-, a-, post-millenial)
- church format (seeker sensitive, rock worship)
- christian counseling / appealing to pschological truths (psychology within a biblical world view can be as helpful as biological medicine)
- charsismata
I just got done reading something in the SCP Journal about how the Word of Faith movement is really witchcraft masqerading as Christianity. Believe it or not, despite their errors in doctrine, people get saved there. Condemning these movements out of hand as from the Devil is missing their good points. They just don’t arise from some evil plan of Satan, they arise out of reaction to what is missing and ignored in the traditional fundamentalist camps.
For instance, the Charismatic renewal singlehandedly spawned CCM and modern worship, two gifts from God which the stodgety, anti-modernist fundamentalist culture was too self-righteous and self-satisfied to create - it was smugly content to live with music from the 1800’s, thinking itself superior to modernity.
I also think that our failure to recognize and affirm common (not revealed) truths in other faith systems has been a mistake.”
As I’ve written, when Paul went to Mars Hill, he met seekers who had already gained a lot of spiritual and philosophical truth from nature. He affirmed what truth they had, and then showed them the true and living God.
Had he told them that their system of belief was a deception from the Devil, he would have lost his audience because they had actually discovered and practiced real truth (common truth). The same may be said about people from all enduring faith systems.
What we must do is affirm those truths, and then introduce them to the God of truth, and help them correct their own thought systems with the word of God.
Instead, we tell them they are mistaken entirely, and they need to forsake what truth they have and follow our version. It’s arrogant, and not how Paul approached it. He became all things to all men in order that he might reach some. Fundamentalists conform to their own sanctimonious picture of sanctification, and expect everyone to conform to their group think and group identity. No wonder Pentecostal and Charismatic churches, who in general do not act this way, are growing faster than the Fundies. It’s called grace AND truth, truth with real humility and respect for others. That’s what’s missing from the name-calling fundy approach to the errors of others, both inside and outside of the church.
Please go and read the posts I mentioned above, most of this info is in there.
12. donsands
September 15, 2006
6:51 PM
Tim, Thanks for sharing about your “walk” with Christ. You’re an fine example to the body of Christ. Keep up the good work in His grace.
” .. but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity.” 1 Tim. 4:12
13. Brendt
September 15, 2006
8:21 PM
“the darkened streets of Oakville” sounds like it should be a line in a Bill Mallonnee song.
More seriously, thank you, thank you, thank you !!! I have been seriously bummed about my devotional life too. And I need to exercise — nothing major, but a daily hour walk would be more than sufficient. Never occured to me to combine the two.
Praise God for technology and brothers who are smart enough to think of it first !
14. Tim Challies
September 15, 2006
8:31 PM
Brendt - Let me know how it goes. I’ve been having great fun in the evenings preparing for the next morning by choosing my Bible passages and songs for the next day. I’ll eventually get the recording of Valley of the Vision to go along with this and that should make for a great time of worship with God.
For anyone interested in giving something like this a shot, you can download the book of John on MP3 from the ESV site. It’s free. here is the link. If you enjoy it, you can get the complete Bible for only $50
15. Brian Thornton
September 15, 2006
8:54 PM
You beat me to it, Tim.
I was going to suggest that you might want to add Valley of Vision by Max onto your iPod.
It is great stuff!
16. Doug
September 17, 2006
10:13 AM
Kind of on topic, have you downloaded the recent update to the iPod? It lets you listen to two chapters of the Bible without a break between them. The break is only for a moment, but taking that moment out has made the whole listening experience better!
17. Ann
September 17, 2006
12:16 PM
I procrastinated several months before adding Valley of Vision to my audio collection. It is a must have… right behind the audio ESV… both are well worth the money!