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06/30/06
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Friday Ramblings

A Discovery: Bob Cornuke and his Bible Archaeology Search and Exploration (B.A.S.E) Institute claim to have found Noah’s Ark. This is not the first time the ark has been found. Neither is it the first time Cornuke has claimed to find a biblical site or artifact. Styling himself as a real-world Indiana Jones, he has previously claimed to have found the Real Mt. Sinai (I reviewed a DVD account of this discovery) and anchors from the ship that was wrecked while the Apostle Paul was travelling to Rome. He has long been seeking the Ark of the Covenant, though to this point he has not claimed to have found it. Cornuke is generally regarded with some suspicion. While he makes great claims, he rarely adequately substantiates those claims.

His new venture, in which he claims to have found the ark, is sure to generate some controversy. An article at Worldview Weekend says this: “Led by explorer, adventurer, and featured Worldview Weekend speaker Dr. Bob Cornuke, a fourteen man crew returned this week from Iran bearing stunning evidence that theirs is the long-anticipated even coveted discovery of the remains of Noah’s Ark. Bob’s team consisted of a Who’s Who of business, law, and ministry leaders including Barry Rand (former CEO of Avis), the author and Christian apologist Josh McDowell, Frank Turek (co-author with Norm Geisler of I Don’t Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist), Boone Powell (former CEO of Baylor Medical Systems), and Arch Bonnema (president of Joshua Financial)” (link). You can see a small amount of video footage here.

The object the men found is “about 400 feet long and consists of rocks that look remarkably like blackened wood beams while other rock in the area is distinctively brown. And one visible piece is ‘cut’ at 90-degree angle. Even more intriguing, some of the wood-like rocks were tested just this week and actually proved to be petrified wood, and it is noteworthy that Scripture recounts Noah sealed his ark with pitch-a decidedly black substance. Upon being cut open, one of these ‘rocks’ also divulged a marine fossil that could have only originated undersea.” Also notable was the discovery of a great number of sea shells, noticeably out of place some 15,000 feet above sea level.

Only time will tell if this is truly Noah’s Ark. But as I suggested in my view of The Search for the Real Mt. Sinai, it should not much matter to Christians. We are to walk by faith and not by sight. If we allow our faith to be shaped by such discoveries, we will have little depth and will be easily swayed. It is “An evil and adulterous generation [that] seeks for a sign.” We know that the story of the flood is true, regardless of whether or not we ever locate the remains of the ark.

The Deck: I am quite sure that the rules of plagiarism do not apply to family members. Hence I am including today an account written by my biggest little sister of a rather terrifying situation that happened at their home earlier this week.

Tuesday afternoon, I had placed a sleepy Josh down for his nap, and had welcomed Anna’s friend, Macenzi over for a few hours to play. The girls promptly bolted for the playroom and I could hear them talking and giggling together, so I decided to throw in a load of laundry and clean the master bathroom. About 15 minutes into my chores, I heard loud sobbing- gauged it to be Macenzi, and found her, blotchy-faced and tear-stained, in my bedroom closet. She clutched her stomach and kept telling me: “I fell off the chair. I fell off the chair.” Upon further inquiry, I she told me that she had tumbled off one of the wooden chairs out on our back deck. Wondering what all the fuss was about (for a child who rarely cries), I laid her on the couch, fetched a blanket, and waited for the 5-minute restoration period.

Several minutes passed, and Macenzi started to sweat profusely. And the crying became more urgent, and the stomach-clutching more pronounced. After realizing that something was most definitely wrong, I called Macenizi’s mother, Luci, and had her come over in order to take Macenzi home.

As the door closed, I wondered to myself at the strangeness of a normally resilient child moaning over a minor tumble. When Anna looked up at me and asked, “Mommy, why did Macenzi fall onto the grass?” What grass? The deck has no grass. “What grass, Anna?” She explained: “The grass on the ground. Macenzi fell off the deck chair ONTO THE GRASS!” Oh God, I prayed. Call Luci. “Luci, Macenzi fell off the deck onto the ground. You need to call an ambulance right away. I’m coming over immediately to help.”

Ambulance arrives. As do paramedics: “Child has fallen from a 15-foot deck, onto her stomach on the ground below. She is sweating profusely. Her stomach is hard. We are concerned about internal injuries.” Luci sobbing. Maryanne sobbing. Anna sobbing. Josh saying :”Milk mommy. Milk and crackers.” (Nothing is sacred to that child). Firetrucks. Sirens. Lifelight helicopter landing.

And then, she is whisked away, I am left with Luci’s boys and my children, and we are left to wonder. Neighbors start dropping by, inquiring, worrying, and God bless the south- some to even pray in the garage and driveway with me.

A long afternoon and evening spent waiting for word from doctors as to the extent of Macenzi’s injuries. Finally, around 8pm, we receive word that doctors have run extensive tests…and there is NOTHING wrong with Macenzi’s body. ZIP. NOTHING. PRAISE GOD!

Yet the mystery: Macenzi had two compressed vertebrae in her back. Compressed vertebrae generally occur when a victim lands on his feet. But Macenzi, it seems, fell. Upon reviewing the situation for the hundreth time with Anna, she explains: She and Macenzi unlocked the back door, let themselves out on to the deck, whereupon Macenzi decided to JUMP off the deck, just for kicks. And actually wanted Anna to jump with her! Thank God Anna has yet to develop courage or the situation, already serious, could really have been very grave.

The old saying goes: “All’s well that ends well.” Luci called me yesterday morning and said: “I don’t know what happened Maryanne, but God or angels or somebody was watching over Macenzi yesterday.” And yes Luci, I could say with assurance, it was God. My God. If He is great enough to express concern over the fall of a sparrow, He is certainly concerned about the fall of your precious daughter.

So though the past few days have been drama to the nth degree, thanks to your prayers, I am coping and enjoying life…and even shakily laughing at the absurdity of a preschooler hurtling herself off my deck. And trying NOT to think too much about the might-have-beens. Because those are too terrifying. And reminding myself often that God sees. Always sees. Even when my back is turned.

Weekend: It is a long weekend up here in the Great White North, for tomorrow is Canada Day. We will celebrate the birth of our nation. Since the day falls on a Saturday, most Canadians will be taking Monday off as well. I will include myself in that crowd. But, of course, I’ll be posting on the weekend, so feel free to drop by!

Friday Ramblings

Comments (52) »


1. LeeC
June 30, 2006
10:49 AM

Wow. Praise God! He is so very merciful and gracious.


2. Ochuk
June 30, 2006
11:22 AM

I hope you don’t mind me saying, but Canada day is nothing compared to the 4th of July? Want to know why? Because you can’t be as ridiculously patriotic. On Tuesday I will saying things like:

“RED COATS GO HOME”

“DOWN WITH THE STAMP ACT”

“NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION”

“KING GEORGE IS A TYRANT”

“GOD BLESS AMERICA”

“GREATNESS”

“THE PRESIDENT”

“MAN I LOVE THIS COUNTRY”

FIFTY FOUR FORTY OR FIGHT”

Take that Challies!


3. Ochuk
June 30, 2006
11:23 AM

And as you have already noticed, I have begun celebrating bad grammar!


4. Tim Challies
June 30, 2006
11:30 AM

“I hope you don’t mind me saying, but Canada day is nothing compared to the 4th of July?”

Bah! I could be American anytime I wanted to. America is practically begging me to move down there.


5. Dallas Pymm
June 30, 2006
11:30 AM

I am with you about the Ark. Christians should be just as satisfied either way. The world will dismiss it as it does all other evidence. Why would they do anything else.

My wife and I have decided not to have children. Mostly because I am selfish and have no idea what I am doing with children. I am too scared, what if I have a girl and she is just like my wife? How will I be able to concentrate having something so great. I don’t know how you parents do it.


6. Flawedcricket
June 30, 2006
11:44 AM

A dear friend of mine, who sent me periodic updates, was a part of the crew of 14. It was exciting to read what happened not only on site but on the way in and out of Iran.

While we shouldn’t search for signs, or need our faith validated by physical realities, it is nice to have things like the Dead Sea Scrolls and other ancient manuscripts, the Arch of Titus and now possibly the Ark as evidences that can be shared with non-Christian friends.

I don’t see these things as shapers of my faith, or anyones faith. I see them as apologetic tools.

I could be way off base though.


7. Flawedcricket
June 30, 2006
11:53 AM

One more thing. I decided I was having 2 children. But I have 3.


8. Tim Challies
June 30, 2006
12:25 PM

“My wife and I have decided not to have children.”

This may be a topic for another day, but have you tried to justify your position biblically?


9. Dallas Pymm
June 30, 2006
12:51 PM

“This may be a topic for another day, but have you tried to justify your position biblically?”

Great question Tim. You should do a post on it. You are the only person ever to ask me this, and that is surprising I guess.

Honestly, I have never tried to defend my position Biblically. No one has said anything, they simply state that my wife and I are young (23) and in college and will change our minds. Maybe so. That is probably why I have not looked into it much. Maybe God will change my mind down the road, but as for now we do not want children.

I never considered needing to defend this belief. I am open to any education on the subject. I deeply desire to glorify God through my family and would appreciate any advice from any Christian older and wiser than I.


10. gavin brown
June 30, 2006
3:58 PM

per the Ark: that’s EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT! (I couldn’t resist)


11. Laurie
June 30, 2006
4:00 PM

Why is it that the worst accidents always happen to other people’s children when they are at our house? Thank God, in our cases, the parents have always understood why the accidents happened but my boys have some friends and cousins with some gorgeous lifelong scars.


12. 4ever4given
June 30, 2006
8:58 PM

“America is practically begging me to move down there…”

NW Arkansas… NW Arkansas… NW Arkansas…

“One more thing. I decided I was having 2 children. But I have 3.”

I decided I would have 2… and I have 6. I decided that my kids would go to school. But they stay home for school. Proverbs 16:9—“The mind of man plans his way, but the LORD directs his steps.”

“Why is it that the worst accidents always happen to other people’s children when they are at our house?”

Ummm…. boy, do I have some stories.


13. P.D. Nelson
July 1, 2006
1:57 PM

Re: Ark

The best answer I haver ever seen on why Noah’s Ark would never be discovered is that after the flood the only source for building materials would have been the Ark itself. And it would have probably been deconstructed into firewood and building material.

So I’m not too impressed by petrified wood.


14. Brad
July 2, 2006
2:29 PM

Tim, Our child is born - Wednesday morning.

Brad


15. Joe Whitchurch
July 10, 2006
12:29 PM

Greetings. I appreciate the commentary on the recent archeological Noah’s ark trip and Christian celebs and how the Believer will buy the flood from Biblical authority anyway and the unbeliever will doubt any evidence if it threatens their unbelief system and lifestyle, but for the grace of God.

That said, the grace of God sometimes uses evidences to draw intrigue and even belief as per the empty tomb, the authority of Scripture and such. I think it would be great if they came up with some evidences, not for my faith but for intrigue and fun and maybe even some edification. That said, I’m not holding my breath or banking my convictions on such.

One bit of departure…unlike you, I’m not so sure that all genuine Believers DO in fact believe in Noah and the universal flood. Many put biblical history as beginning with Abraham in Genesis 12 and refer to teaching creation stories and other exalted sounding terms to leave the historicity of a universal flood an open question, much like they do a future universal (though God knows the DNA etc and will redeem in the final analysis all that He will redeem) fire, according to 2Peter 3. People seem to ‘purposefully’ chose to forget such things. It could be interesting how this particular revisited search will affect memories and wills and how the grace of God will manifest through His sovereign will and our faithfulness to make Him known with as much Spirit-fruit integrity as we gladly yield and He initiates through and through. Would to God that all Believers believed such things with full assurance.

BTW, nice blog. Greetings to all the Believers behind the Maple Leaf Curtain where one cannot say Romans 1:26-27 is true without concern for litigation. May God keep you faithful.


16. Alex Chediak
July 15, 2006
6:57 PM

WOW! New look and feel to the website???? Pretty cool…


17. Jabbok
July 15, 2006
7:16 PM

Love it…. Love it…. Love it!

We need to talk. I’m going to have to hire your services for a MAJOR upgrade to my page.

Great work!


18. Jabbok
July 15, 2006
7:19 PM

Love it…. Love it…. Love it!

We need to talk. I’m going to have to hire your services for a MAJOR upgrade to my page.

Great work!


19. Vynette
July 15, 2006
7:24 PM

Dan Brown, quite unwittingly I’m sure, has done us a great service - he has made known to the general population the existence of certain ‘stories’ about Jesus.

A couple of millenia or so, ago, a thirst to know more about Jesus than the gospels revealed gave rise to the concoction of various ‘fables’.

These ‘fables’ were tailored specifically to resonate with certain audiences and to meet perceived needs and prevailing ‘expectations’. Naturally therefore, they were riddled with historical and other errors.

Dan Brown borrowed material from this ‘fabled’ library and, living up to time-honoured tradition, tailored his own ‘fable’ to resonate with certain audiences and to meet perceived needs and prevailing ‘expectations’. Naturally therefore, it is also are riddled with historical and other errors.

Being only a ‘lending’ library, however, this ‘fable’ based on ‘fables’ has already been called in by its rightful owner - the great ‘fable’ library of history.


20. Vynette
July 15, 2006
7:28 PM

Sorry all, don’t know how I managed to post this comment on the wrong article. It was meant to go on Reinventing Jesus.


21. Vynette
July 15, 2006
7:31 PM

Dan Brown, quite unwittingly I’m sure, has done us a great service - he has made known to the general population the existence of certain ‘stories’ about Jesus.

A couple of millenia or so, ago, a thirst to know more about Jesus than the gospels revealed gave rise to the concoction of various ‘fables’.

These ‘fables’ were tailored specifically to resonate with certain audiences and to meet perceived needs and prevailing ‘expectations’. Naturally therefore, they were riddled with historical and other errors.

Dan Brown borrowed material from this ‘fabled’ library and, living up to time-honoured tradition, tailored his own ‘fable’ to resonate with certain audiences and to meet perceived needs and prevailing ‘expectations’. Naturally therefore, it is also are riddled with historical and other errors.

Being only a ‘lending’ library, however, this ‘fable’ based on ‘fables’ has already been called in by its rightful owner - the great ‘fable’ library of history.


22. Michael Garner
July 15, 2006
7:35 PM

I am very used to the old look of the site so it definitely took my eyes a few minutes to get familiar with.

I think that it looks good and puts your web design advertisement in a more prominent location (which I think is good).

I realize there is a “home” tab right below it, I’d also like it if you could have the Challies.com on the Top Left link back to the home page.

I also like the Text Size + and - (can’t remember if you had that with the old template).

Just my thoughts, mike


23. Vynette
July 15, 2006
7:36 PM

Tim, This time, I’m commenting on ‘Whole New Look’. Comments for ‘Reinventing Jesus’ keep getting posted to ‘Friday Ramblings’.


24. Michael Garner
July 15, 2006
7:37 PM

I’m not sure how this post ended up in Friday Ramblings instead of A Whole New Look. Feel free to delete both of these posts.


25. Michael Garner
July 15, 2006
7:38 PM

I am very used to the old look of the site so it definitely took my eyes a few minutes to get familiar with.

I think that it looks good and puts your web design advertisement in a more prominent location (which I think is good).

I realize there is a “home” tab right below it, I’d also like it if you could have the Challies.com on the Top Left link back to the home page.

I also like the Text Size + and - (can’t remember if you had that with the old template).

Just my thoughts, mike


26. wayne shih
July 15, 2006
7:41 PM

Looks great!


27. Matthew
July 15, 2006
7:58 PM

Tim, looks great! However you’re still showing the (inaccurate) XHTML 1.1 badge in your footer. Your doctype header claims to be XHTML 1.0, but the page doesn’t even validate under that doctype! Not sure what I’m suggesting - maybe remove the picture?


28. Scott Moonen
July 15, 2006
8:25 PM

Tim, are you aware of CSS’s ability to specify rules that are specific to “print” media? See, for example, http://www.javascriptkit.com/dhtmltutors/cssmedia.shtml. You don’t need to create a separate page just for printing; instead, you can code a whole bunch of “display:none;” CSS rules that hide just about everything but the article text — only when printing.


29. DJ
July 15, 2006
8:36 PM

Love it Tim! Great look. I think it is friendlier and more pleasing to the eyes. Things pop out more too. Keep up the good work!


30. Tim Challies
July 15, 2006
8:37 PM

That’s odd. I’ll see what’s going on. I hope.


31. Tim Challies
July 15, 2006
8:41 PM

Testing comments. Just ignore me.


32. Tim Challies
July 15, 2006
8:45 PM

Testing comments still and again.


33. Tim Challies
July 15, 2006
8:47 PM

I’m just testing comments. Ignore me.


34. Goofycollins
July 15, 2006
8:53 PM

Brian,

You continue to kinda quote Romans 10:17 (you are mixing a couple but still getting the basic gist), but what you are leaving out is that this faith is a gift of God (Eph. 2:8). If it is God that gives this faith then God can give it to infants if He has chosen to do this as a part of His eternal plan. Again, scripture is unclear on this issue and no one can be dogmatic.

Also, just to throw this in for MacArthur’s sake, because I am not sure if he reads this blog and can defend himself. But he does not deny the doctrine of original sin and that all are sinners from conception. He says all these things are true and Biblical. All he is saying is that every time someone is condemed to hell in scripture, it is their individual sins that are cited as reasens for thier condemnation.


35. Tim Challies
July 15, 2006
8:57 PM

OK, I think it got it. Comments should now go to the correct thread.


36. Goofycollins
July 15, 2006
8:57 PM

Sorry everyone, somehow I was trying to comment on another post and it somehow showed up here.

By the way Tim, I like the new site. Everything needs changing every once in a while. Except God that is. Good thing He is immutable.


37. Tim Challies
July 15, 2006
9:04 PM

Scott,

I am, but thought I’d get overall better results from creating a basic print template. It’s easy enough to do in Movabletype and creates a really good print page.


38. Anne
July 17, 2006
9:28 AM

If a small group is comprised solely of people who have a natural “affinity” for each other, usually meaning they tend to think alike and hold similar opinions, it seems as if the group would act as a hedge of protection around its members’ weakness. Not that a group should be made up of a bunch of people who can’t bear to be in the same room, naturally, but still….part of being a Christian is having an “affinity” with other Christians simply because they ARE Christians.


39. Anne Ivy
July 17, 2006
9:32 AM

Well, crud. I had been reading the post containing the info about Willow Creek’s method of assembling small groups, not this post. How on earth my comment wound up here I can’t imagine!

Very strange.

However, since the LORD apparently wants me to comment here, I’ll add my kudos. Nice work, Tim! Lookin’ good. ;^)


40. Jabbok
July 17, 2006
12:44 PM

My brother-in-law’s brother (Todd Hodnett) was the 2003 Sniper champion. As a result of this talent he earned a contract with the military to train Seals and Special Forces in the art of Sniper shooting. He is in California this week and said it got to 120 degrees on the beach. It was so hot the soles of their feet blistered thru their shoes.

I don’t see how they held their guns!

Stay cool….


41. Jabbok
July 17, 2006
12:45 PM

My brother-in-law’s brother (Todd Hodnett) was the 2003 Sniper champion. As a result of this talent he earned a contract with the military to train Seals and Special Forces in the art of Sniper shooting. He is in California this week and said it got to 120 degrees on the beach. It was so hot the soles of their feet blistered thru their shoes.

I don’t see how they held their guns!

Stay cool….


42. 4ever4given
July 17, 2006
1:28 PM

We live about 20 minutes from the Duggar family. Their reputation around here is God-honoring.


43. Tim H.
July 17, 2006
9:18 PM

I love the special on the Duggars. What a fascinating family. I hope to be blessed with a large family one day, and it was quite an inspiration.


44. DLE
July 17, 2006
10:17 PM

Thoughts…

  • Dever This is a tough one since I’m not sure you can get five Christian leaders in a room and have them agree on an absolute standard for a valid profession of faith. For instance, how long do we give someone to display fruit?

*Willow Creek Small Groups I’ve been a Christian for almost thirty years and my experience has been that Willow Creek is right on this one. Groups that form “organically” tend to thrive, while those that are forced together by other means rarely do.

*Grudem I’m ordering that book from the library the second after I finish this comment!


45. David
July 17, 2006
10:57 PM

Many of the posts I have read here show real insight into the Emerging Church movement. It is a complex movement that requires an involved response. I have a lengthy critique of the movement at the following address: http://www.apologeticsindex.org/290-emerging-church

David


46. joythruchrist
July 18, 2006
3:01 AM

Glad you’re feeling better Tim. I understand about that hot weather! I can’t take it either!

Good article by Mark Dever.


47. joythruchrist
July 18, 2006
3:04 AM

I have no idea how my ala carte comment ended up on Friday Ramblings. Come to think of it, I don’t know where this comment will end up…


48. dcypl
July 18, 2006
6:09 AM

Wow,

Great news about Mockingbird! Derek Webb is one of my favourites.


49. Frank Martens
July 18, 2006
12:08 PM

“On September 1, Derek Webb will begin giving away his latest album”

And there was much rejoicing.


50. Frank Martens
July 18, 2006
12:09 PM

Whoa….

That totally posted to the wrong post…

I clicked on to comment for “A la carte” filled out the form and submitted. But it submitted here instead ;(


51. Mark Tubbs
July 18, 2006
3:29 PM

Hey Dallas,

You may never see this since it’s a comment on a post that’s three weeks old, but in case Tim didn’t respond I will…it’s to do with choosing to be childless and whether it’s biblically justified. I may be biased since my wife just heroically brought our second child into the world healthy and sound, praise God.

Actually I don’t have anything to say except to refer you onto Al Mohler’s website, where you can do a search to see everything he’s written on childless couplehood and the falling birthrate. He’s really eloquent on the subject.

Hope this helps.


52. Dallas Pymm
July 18, 2006
3:40 PM

Thanks Mark. I appreciate the direction. I will check it out. I have discussed this with my pastor some and intend on making sure I approach this very important aspect of the life God has given me in a biblical manner.