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Saturday September 20, 2008

Poll: Where Do You Buy Books?

It has taken years but I think I’ve finally managed to find a way of incorporating polls into blog posts. Those who visit the main page of the site will have already noticed a poll in the sidebar there. But I think I can now work it into a post as well. The most recent poll question asked simply “How many books do you anticipate reading in 2009?” The answer surprised me. Though I couldn’t quite arrive at an exact figure, it seems that, based on 600 votes, the average reader of this site will read (and presumably purchase) somewhere around twenty-five or thirty books in 2009. Though we sometimes hear of the decline of the printed word, that does not seem to be the case around these parts!

Today I would like to ask a follow-up question. And it is this: where do you buy your books? There was a time when I was a regular visitor at the local Christian bookstore. In fact, when I worked near to it, I would visit a couple of times a week to look at books and listen to the newest CDs. More recently, though, I’ve nearly stopped visiting altogether and now prefer to do my book and music shopping online. I doubt I visit the Christian bookstore more than twice a year. I’m wondering if my experience is common.

So there’s the question. Do note that if you are reading this via RSS, you’ll probably have to click through to the site to actually answer.

Where do you buy the majority of the books you read?

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Amazon

Comments (105) »


1. Brian Auten
September 20, 2008
4:28 PM

Still can’t beat amazon for overall selection, ratings, good shipping, etc. And with amazon prime you can’t go wrong. But I would like to hear of any good alternatives.


2. Tim Challies
September 20, 2008
4:30 PM

Still can’t beat amazon for overall selection, ratings, good shipping, etc. And with amazon prime you can’t go wrong. But I would like to hear of any good alternatives.

I’m with you (though I only wish I could get Prime up here in Canada). I sometimes feel a bit guilty for shopping there instead of supporting the little Christian guy, but you can’t top the convenience…


3. JLS
September 20, 2008
4:43 PM

I actually buy where I get them at the best price.
Christianbook.com
I fish used.addall.com to find books @
Amazon
half.com
alibris.com
abe.com

Of course, I do buy from desiringgod.org , too :-)



4. Darrell
September 20, 2008
5:07 PM

I buy most of them at Goodwill and library sales.

The selection is limited but the price is right.


5. Peggy
September 20, 2008
5:09 PM

I have been ordering from ChristianBook for some time. I recently set up an affiliate account for my church at CBD and order my books through that. Others in the church use the affiliate links as well, and that has given us a fund that we use to provide Bibles and Christian reading material to those who cannot afford them. My local Christian bookstore was not conveniently located and not well organized. It closed recently, probably due to those issues in part. There are stores in other parts of the city, but CBD makes it so easy. :-p


6. Russ
September 20, 2008
5:11 PM

I may be able to get them cheaper through someone like Amazon, but I find that I enjoy spreading my business among folks like Monergism, Westminster, Cumberland Valley, Reformation Heritage, Solid Ground , Grace and Truth , and so on.


7. Elaine
September 20, 2008
6:12 PM

I agree with Darrell. I buy a lot of books at Goodwill and library sales. If it’s something that I need and can’t find there, I buy from Amazon or our church library. Usually if I’m patient, I can get it used.


8. Gavin
September 20, 2008
6:12 PM

I answered Westminster, but it’s a combination of Westminster, Monergism, DesiringGod, and Amazon, and sometimes even Christianbook.com (CBD). I am usually buying more than one title at a time, so I try to get them from one place for that order. But that doesn’t always work. I am just so thankful for DesiringGod, Monergism, and Westminster. CBD is an old faithful for me (but not so great for reformed stuff or puritan stuff). The giant Amazon will always be a viable option…


9. diane
September 20, 2008
7:06 PM

Can’t beat AMAZON.COM for the prices! I use Westminster alot as well…


10. Jim
September 20, 2008
7:10 PM

I live in Mexico, where English books are hard to come by. But recently I had a chance to visit Canada. I had built up a substantial wish list of books for myself and my kids.

I went to one or two large Christian bookstores (and one or two “regular” bookstores). Finally I went to a Christian bookstore that is somewhat legendary in the area for its size and selection.

You guessed it - I went through all my pages of book titles and ISBNs, and found almost nothing I was looking for.

Which begs the question - what are they selling at these Christian bookstores these days?


11. Chris
September 20, 2008
7:16 PM

I almost always buy from either Amazon or CBD. Sometimes if I am feeling thrifty I will order off of Alibris.com. I usually only go to the local Christian bookstore to browse or pick up a title on the run. Independent booksellers are too expensive. Can’t beat the prices online and the selection…


12. Jennifer
September 20, 2008
7:23 PM

I used to shop at Borders and Waldenbooks until they closed my Waldenbooks, so now I buy books either from Amazon or my campus bookstore (since school started, more the latter than the former, though, especially since they can beat Amazon’s prices).


13. Phil Gons
September 20, 2008
7:29 PM

How about www.logos.com? That is where I get the majority of my books. A good chuck of print books come from Amazon.


14. Ben Mordecai
September 20, 2008
7:46 PM

Westminster is wonderful. To me, it’s not about selection as much as it is the quality of the selection. I dislike that Christianbook seems to show little discernment in the titles they carry. Amazon is a big-box store so I don’t really hold that against them. I think westminster carries a great selection of true resources at a great price.
I particularly like the price and selection of ESV Bibles they carry. Because they are an ESV-only store (with the exception of the Geneva Bible) I don’t have to sort through all of the translations I don’t like and can intead focus on size, durability, price, and so on. I can compare apples to apples.


15. Felipe Chamy
September 20, 2008
7:46 PM

I pretty much use Amazon because I live abroad, and many of the good books haven´t been translated into spanish (and westminster books don´t ship abroad).


16. Matt Ritchey
September 20, 2008
7:49 PM

I always use www.campusi.com to search for the best prices which apparently is now: http://www.dealoz.com/

Peace


17. Kim
September 20, 2008
7:50 PM

Though I usually use Amazon when I buy books, I rarely fork over money for a book unless I’ve already read it and deem it worthy of ownership. I usually check them out from the library or borrow books. I’m incredible cheap, I know.


18. deborah
September 20, 2008
7:55 PM

Your local christian bookstore actually has books??? Mine mostly has wall art, nativity sets and coffee mugs.


19. Greg Gibson
September 20, 2008
8:24 PM

I’ve been a long-time customer of Amazon. But, recently they increased the intl. shipping rate to our country. So, yesterday I printed-out and compared the intl. shipping rates from 6 leading bookstores.

I’ll post the results here for those of you who may be intl. These rates are the cheapest mail option offered by each co., excluding Priority Mail, U.P.S., FedEx, and Canada. Here they are ranked from cheapest to most expensive…

1. BooksAMillion.com: $4/order + $1.95/book
2. Monergism.com: $10.99 + 30%
3. ChristianBook.com: $10 - 35%
4. Amazon.com: $3.99 - $6.99/order + $3.99 - $6.99/book
5. BarnesAndNoble.com: $7.49/order + $5.49/book
6. WTSBooks.com: No intl. shipping

Looks like I’ll give Booksamillion a try for my next order.


20. HeatherHH
September 20, 2008
8:29 PM

I get most of my books through Paperback Swap http://www.paperbackswap.com. You get a credit for each book of your own that you mail out to someone via Media Mail. Then you can buy a book with that credit for no additional cost. That means my average cost per book works out to $2 or so. Now, many books I would like I’m on the waiting list for, and that may take a couple years. But, usually, I’m willing to wait.


21. Reg W Schofield
September 20, 2008
8:30 PM

I have used Amazon the majority of times but have decided to use Monergism and Westminster more in the future , so that I can support a christian source. I rarely order through CBD because they have absolutely no discernment and I will not support them when they sell stuff like The Shack , T.D Jakes , Joyce Meyer , leadership mantra guru John Maxwell , well the list could go and on .


22. Carl
September 20, 2008
8:44 PM

The local used bookstores are my primary sources (the Goodwill Bookstore being the primary primary since it’s on my way to work). Then it’s ebay and Christianbook.com for specific titles. If I can’t find what I looking for from those sources, then I will try Amazon.


23. Carl
September 20, 2008
8:48 PM

The only mainstream Christian bookstore here in Tallahassee is Lifeway. We used to also have a Family Christian store but it closed down several years ago. Even though Tallahassee is the Capital of Florida, it is lacking in a lot of commercial retailers that most other cities have.


24. Mark Nenadov
September 20, 2008
9:16 PM

Amazon.

I used to buy books from DiscerningReader.com (when it was a book seller). And when things went downhill and they went out of business, I considered utilizing Solid Ground Christian Books. However with SGCB, I had real troubles getting them to respond to my inquiries, so I pretty much gave up with smaller Christian book sellers and stuck with Amazon (at least for online orders). So its Amazon and the occasional purchase at a conference ;)

Amazon is cheap, has just about everything, ships quick, and offers free shipping for orders over a certain price. I’m pragmatic. Sorry small Christian book sellers, but I’m going to go with what works best overall. If you want my business, you’d have to be able to compete with Amazon in some way… I’ve never had to contact Amazon to ask about one of my orders, they always deliver for me.

With Christian sellers, I often (though not always) have had to follow up on things and what not. And, at that, some of the small Christian sellers haven’t been very diligent about being responsive (which is ABSOLUTELY necessary if they are ever to compete with Amazon, they have to offer very personal service). I’m not going to go through lots of hassles just to support the little guy.

I guess I could order from Monergism Books (I like their website), but then again, I’d rather just order from Amazon and get an extra book for what I’d pay for shipping with Monergism Books!


25. Mark Nenadov
September 20, 2008
9:23 PM

Ohh.. And I failed to mention Ebay! I’ll order used from there if the shipping + the bid price is considerably lower than what it would cost on amazon for a new book.


26. Andrea S.
September 20, 2008
9:39 PM

Last year my answer would’ve been Amazon, but I enjoy the one stop shopping of Westminster. Our local Christian bookstore is full of Joel Osteen and other best sellers. I’m always disappointed with the selection and the salesperson’s knowledge of what books are worth reading.

My really weak moments are usually at Border’s bargain section which is conveniently located next to the “germ court” at our local mall. There is nothing better than a huge hardback full of pictures and semi-useful facts for $6.99!


27. Josh
September 20, 2008
9:42 PM

I’m surprised that so many people use Amazon. It is the cheapest and, in general, has the widest selection, but I thought many might be like me and choose to support Christian retailers like MonergismBooks, WTSBooks, and CVBBS because they are Christian businesses who care about the quality of the books on their shelf. But its a personal choice with no clear Scriptural mandate. Something is also to be said for getting the best price and using the money to expand the kingdom in other ways. Anyway, just my thoughts.


28. Greg Gibson
September 20, 2008
9:47 PM

“These rates are the cheapest mail option offered by each co., excluding Priority Mail, U.P.S., FedEx”

Correction: Please delete “excluding Priority Mail, U.P.S., FedEx”. Those rates are the cheapest option each co. offers regardless of the shipper.


29. Stephen
September 20, 2008
9:58 PM

My Sources:
1. Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service.(http://www.cvbbs.com/).
2. Amazon
3. Monergism

Local “christian” bookstore is Family, and lets face it, very little christian material in there.


30. Paul
September 20, 2008
10:05 PM

I buy from the store which has the lowest prices at the time i need the book, which lately has been mostly, but not exclusively, Amazon. But in the last year I’ve also bought books from
www.christianbook.com
www.abebooks.com (for used books)
www.cvbbs.com
www.banneroftruth.org
www.heritagebooks.org
www.scripturetruth.com
www.solid-ground-books.com
www.wtsbooks.com
and last, but not least, ebay.

There aren’t any good local Christian bookstores, so my book shopping is 99%+ online. The ones which would call themselves Christian bookstores mostly carry knick knacks, fiction and pop psychology, but very little of any substance.


31. Steve
September 20, 2008
10:23 PM

chapters.ca > amazon.ca … but it’s nice to support the local Christian bookseller at least half the time.


32. Chris Griffith
September 20, 2008
11:08 PM

Tim

I work for a small family bookstore in Fincastle, Virginia and that is where I buy almost all my books. Our business is called Scripture Truth Book Co. Here’s the link:

http://www.scripturetruth.com/_store/default.asp

Scripture Truth been in business since 1956 selling many, many Bibles along with Christian books and yes we sell your book on The Discipline of Spiritual Discernment too! Mr. Brodsky started the business and it’s now owned by his children and grandchildren. He graduated from Moody Bible College back in the 1930’s went into the Army, fought in WWII and started selling books in the 1950’s. I understand he originally pulled around a little red wagon going from house to house making deliveries!

Mr. “B” went home to be with the Lord last year. He was 87. He was one of the most godly and generous men I ever knew, and he is greatly missed! He was an avid reader and a tremendous spiritual resource.

I’m not a family member (there are 8 people all together in the company) but Mr. Brodsky was very much like a grandpa to me. His life and bookstore has impacted many for the Kingdom of God and I am glad to work for such a company that seeks to honor the Lord before making a buck.

Thanks for letting me share this.

Sincerely,
Chris Griffith


33. dorian
September 20, 2008
11:22 PM

CVBBS has the best prices hands down on almost all reformed, especially Banner, books that I’ve bought in the last year, I’m suprised they didn’t make the list.


34. Matthew
September 21, 2008
12:00 AM

I buy all my books at the bookstore on our church and seminary campus. I used to stop in couple times a week, and then they hired me as a clerk. Now I’m the store buyer, and I’ve taken my book buying habit to a whole new level. :-)

What’s more, I met my wife in our bookstore!

Beat that Amazon!

Grace Books International
www.gbibooks.com


35. Le Gallois
September 21, 2008
1:43 AM

Local bookstore because I am in France. And we NEED our local bookstore to survive. Online stores for what I can’t find locally.


36. tricia
September 21, 2008
2:49 AM

I go to Grace Community church for my books. I do not attend there, but love, love the selection. Matthew (above) or his wife have probably helped me there!


37. Robert West
September 21, 2008
3:09 AM

Why not buy from a brother at Monergism Books…besides, Phil Johnson has identified Monergism has one of the best all things reformed websites ever…


38. Joanna
September 21, 2008
3:17 AM

I buy a lot from my local christian bookstore. Unlike many they have a large academic selection, and also have a good range of bibles. I do also enjoy charity stores and second hand book stores, but theres not many good ones where i’m living now. I used to use http://www.bookschristian.com/ which often had decent prices but got fed up with the awful customer service. We had all sorts of things go wrong- having our credit card overcharged, leaving items out that we’d ordered and the slowest shipping i’ve encountered anywhere.


39. Joel S
September 21, 2008
3:20 AM

Amazon: 80% of the time
BN/Borders: 10%
Local Store: 10%


40. Thomas Sullivan
September 21, 2008
7:33 AM

Since I live in Grand Rapids, I used to be the mailman for Kregel used books, sometimes I bought them there. But more and more the type of books I want are no longer in print and I am finding
them at

books.google.com

Let me give an example…. Suppose you want to find a copy of the Princeton Review from 1832.

Not many places sell this, or the price is exorbitant. So, I have to search online.

I don’t shop at www.heritagebooks.org - I show up in person, so I don’t have to pay shipping. Another advantage of being in Grand Rapids!


41. Scott
September 21, 2008
7:51 AM

I have pretty much stopped going to the local “Christian” bookstore due to the serius lack of discernment vs. profits. Some books I would even question their orthodoxy. Almost all of my shopping in online from (in order of use):
1. Westminster- www.wtsbooks.com
2. Cumberland Valley Baptist Bible Bookstore- www.cvbbs.com
3. Solid Ground- www.solid-ground-books.com

For Homeschool books, it is hard to beat CBD- www.christianbook.com

Others I normally check are:

www.banneroftruth.org
www.heritagebooks.org
www.scripturetruth.com
www.amazon.com


42. Jeremy
September 21, 2008
7:56 AM

I buy new books through Amazon (or Christianbook.com if it is a set of books). But in the past couple of years I’ve been buying lots of books at McKay’s Used Books in Knoxville, Tn. They don’t have an online store, so anyone who wants to go needs to pay me 25 dollars and a meal and I’ll take you on the tour.


43. Carol
September 21, 2008
8:50 AM

I am blessed to have a resource center @ our church to buy books. The price is typically very reasonable.


44. Douglas K. Adu-Boahen
September 21, 2008
9:16 AM

I buy most of my books either from my church’s bookshop, The Tabernacle Bookshop or from eBay.


45. Bill
September 21, 2008
9:18 AM

I use to go to Lifeway. I was a little disappointed last time I was in there though, because they were selling books by T.D.Jakes and Jentezen(sp) Franklin. Monergism.com is now option 1 for me.


46. Paul
September 21, 2008
9:33 AM

Over the last year or so I’ve moved to buying most of my books used through Abebooks and most recently I always search through Bookfinder.com.


47. Isaiah
September 21, 2008
9:43 AM

Being outside the North American continent, shipping costs are a concern for me so whenever possible I try to get my books from an online retailer here in Singapore called e-Tulip (www.etulip.org).

I’ve stopped going to Christian bookstores here mostly because the choices have been bad, with most catering to an audience that seems to be more interested in what Joel Osteen is teaching rather than Biblical truths.


48. Ochuk
September 21, 2008
10:01 AM

I actually stopped buying books. Since I go to a Christian college and live close to a huge public library, all books are now borrowed and returned. Hello hundreds of dollars of savings!

But I would get them from Amazon, half-price books, and directly from the publisher before.


49. Linda Herick
September 21, 2008
11:14 AM

I used to always shop locally we had several Christian bookstores in my area, but they never seemed to have what I was looking for….like others have noted mainly “Jesus Junk” and the Jakes - Osteen - Meyer group. They have all gone out of business and other than one that is a lot farther away no choice but to go on-line, so Amazon (free shipping w/$25.00) or CBD. Will check out some of the other sites mentioned.


50. Jess
September 21, 2008
1:37 PM

Like many other people have stated, amazon has the cheapest prices so I usually shop there. Also, I really dislike the commercialization of christianity that i find in many christian bookstores.


51. Witsius
September 21, 2008
2:38 PM

Amazon.ca - because of the ‘free’ shipping.
Here is more accurate breakdown:

Amazon.ca = 60%
Reformation Heritage Books = 15%
Monergism = 10%
CBD = 5%
Other smaller outfits like Gospel Valley Mission, Cumberland Valley, WTS, Solid Ground, eBay, ABEbooks, Alibris, etc. = 10%


52. Heather
September 21, 2008
2:44 PM

Monergism and CBD are great for prices but when you add on shipping to Canada it negates the great price. AmazonCA is great for price and free shipping but often the books I’m looking for won’t be available for weeks or months. AmazonCOM is great for price and selection but they’ve caught on to me and now they don’t offer free shipping to Canada! SOOOOO, I use Sola Scriptura and for things they don’t have one of the other options listed above.

By the way did you know that Mitchell Family books in Ontario has gone bankrupt. They’re having sales now and I managed to pick up 2 or 3 good books there yesterday 25% off.


53. Laura D
September 21, 2008
2:51 PM

It would seem that a good majority of us shop online. I myself used to shop at Amazon, but have since found that ChristianBook.com is cheaper then Amazon. However, I still like to support my local Christian Bookstore. If we don’t they will go under and that would be a horrible thing.


54. John
September 21, 2008
3:04 PM

Great poll question Tim. Monergism Books’ prices are competitive across the board with Amazon and quite often cheaper. You can also count on the quality of the Christ-honoring titles carried. The ministry of Monergism.com the largest free online resource library for Reformed materials is supported by your purchases there so why not buy from Monergism Books?


55. Richard Probert
September 21, 2008
3:37 PM

Amen, Reg. When I confronted CBD I was told that they are a Christian book distributor, not book distributors who are Christian.


56. Rita Martinez
September 21, 2008
4:52 PM

Oh! you mean you weren’t talking about books in the Bible!?..kidding! I usually get my books from the local Christian book store and will be purchasing a few from Amazon.com they’ve always got good prices. Also there is a book fair that takes place every year here in my country and I usually buy 2 or 3 books when I go. This year I was amazed to find a book by D.A. Carson (Basic for Believers..still haven’t finished it) and also bought one by John Piper(the Dangerous Duty of Delight).


57. LL
September 21, 2008
4:57 PM

monergism books rocks!


58. JoeW
September 21, 2008
7:01 PM

Monergism unless they don’t have it in stock. Then I use amazon and buy either new or used.


59. Bob LaForce
September 21, 2008
7:11 PM

I have to agree with those of you who use Amazon and yes, I do feel guilty for passing by the Christian book stores and warehouses for secular Amazon, but my wallet feels really good about it! I would encourage everyone to look at Amazon’s great used book section. Unless you are a perfectionist (alright, I am about some books!) you can often find the book you’re looking for in good to excellent condition for a lot less money. Look there! Bob


60. Josh M
September 21, 2008
7:36 PM

I answered Westminster as that is where I usually start for Christian books. I also buy them from CBD, rarely at Amazon, occasionally at the local Christian bookstore (friend works there, so I like to support them to some degree), and at the local Barnes and Noble. This last is also where I buy (effectively) all of my non-christian books which account for around 50% of the books I buy.


61. Nahomi Dhinakar
September 21, 2008
8:21 PM

I chose the Local church option. But we buy our books from several sources. (I got my The Religious Affections from the church store, and it is the majority of books (all the books) I am reading now). http://couragetotremble.wordpress.com/christian-book-stores/ will take you to the page in my blog about just this subject. Not much use unless you live in Auckland, I suppose.
-n-


62. Paul Wilkinson
September 21, 2008
8:30 PM

As Heather notes in comment # 52, the timing on this blog post for Canadians is eerie. First we lost the largest bookstore chain in the country last November when Blessings Marketplace closed. Then a few months ago, we lost the largest individual store in the country when Christian Publications of Calgary, AB closed. This week the largest Christian book wholesaler in Canada went into receivership, which also impacts the six retail stores they owned.

Obviously, the blog poll is reflecting a longstanding frustration that its dominantly Calvinist readership has with the average bookstore. Heck, I’m in the business myself, but I’m not a fan of Joel Osteen, either. Over the years we’ve seen a handful of stores which catered to purists who could not abide the status quo, the majority of which were Calvinist.

But the poll, and the comments that introduce it, would almost seem to celebrate the joys of book buying online. Let me assure you that in terms of the bigger, long-term picture, there is no cause to celebrate.

Instead, I would suggest a lament. These stores were on the frontline of ministry in our local communities. They dealt with people who were seeking a church, seeking counsel, seeking truth, or simply didn’t know what they were seeking. They were there for believers who needed something yesterday, needed something you can’t buy online, or didn’t know what they needed. They promoted local Christian events, provided prizes and gifts for churches and schools, and presented book tables at all kinds of events in camps, conferences and concerts.

They helped launch the “industry” we have today at a time before Left Behind, before Veggie Tales, before Gaither Videos, before Purpose Driven Life and before The Shack. They stuck with slow-moving backlist product because they believed that someone, somewhere might have a need. They stayed open in lean years during which they were losing money. They served customers a time when it was about the quality of the product, the scriptural integrity of the product, the owners’ familiarity with the doctrine of the product; and not about the price of the book. In fact, when you make it about the price, you totally diminish the product. An author who brings insight into something that you never noticed before is giving you something that is priceless.

Retail store clerks taking the time to walk someone through an informed purchase of a Bible translation spend more customer service time than at the average shoe store, and require more technical knowledge than at the average consumer electronics store. You simply don’t get that online. The responders to this poll are the exception, not the rule, because they know exactly what books they want to buy before they order. Bloggers know exactly what they want to buy. But the average parishioner wants some help, wants to browse the physical book, and wants to talk to someone who acts as both bartender (listening to their story) and pharmacist (recommending the product that suits best and explaining its use.)

Longer term considerations factored in, this is a sad time for Christian publishing in Canada and the U.S. and the U.K..


63. Dale
September 22, 2008
3:44 AM

Paul in comment #62 is right on!
The demise of the local bookstore is sad and has consequences that we can’t really tally up. Many of those “Christian bookstores” (sometimes selling more trinkets than books and mixing their shelves with Benny Hinn, Roman Catholicism and Charles Spurgeon!) deserved to go out of business as far as I’m concerned, but sad nonetheless.

As for my purchases…
I run a mini bookstore (somewhere around 1,500 titles) at my church and I shop around quite a bit. But I find the lowest prices commonly to be at Westminster, Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, and Amazon. But they don’t carry everything and I sometimes have to go to other distributors or publishers. I have over 100 bookmarks for all sorts of places though. I have purchased books from Croatia, Pakistan, Australia, UK, etc… Our church supports the “store” with a modest $60 a month to keep it growing and to enable it to give materials to people who can’t afford much at times. I usually put books on the shelves for cheaper than anyone would be able to buy it online themselves, unless they are buying in bulk to get the cheaper shipping. I also frequent library sales and pick up some fantastic deals at a couple of the bigger regular used book sales in the area within an hour drive. I go out of my way to provide the best deals that I can. I also have merchant accounts with some publishers like Banner of Truth, P&R, etc… that also helps keep costs down and I pass on the savings to the people buying at our store. I normally only round the price up to the nearest quarter or perhaps fifty cents. I don’t have to deal with nickels, dimes and pennies that way! :-p

Support your local or church store! :-)


64. Dale
September 22, 2008
3:46 AM

Paul in comment #62 is right on!
The demise of the local bookstore is sad and has consequences that we can’t really tally up. Many of those “Christian bookstores” (sometimes selling more trinkets than books and mixing their shelves with Benny Hinn, Roman Catholicism and Charles Spurgeon!) deserved to go out of business as far as I’m concerned, but sad nonetheless.

As for my purchases…
I run a mini bookstore (somewhere around 1,500 titles) at my church and I shop around quite a bit. But I find the lowest prices commonly to be at Westminster, Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, and Amazon. But they don’t carry everything and I sometimes have to go to other distributors or publishers. I have over 100 bookmarks for all sorts of places though. I have purchased books from Croatia, Pakistan, Australia, UK, etc… Our church supports the “store” with a modest $60 a month to keep it growing and to enable it to give materials to people who can’t afford much at times. I usually put books on the shelves for cheaper than anyone would be able to buy it online themselves, unless they are buying in bulk to get the cheaper shipping. I also frequent library sales and pick up some fantastic deals at a couple of the bigger regular used book sales in the area within an hour drive. I go out of my way to provide the best deals that I can. I also have merchant accounts with some publishers like Banner of Truth, P&R, etc… that also helps keep costs down and I pass on the savings to the people buying at our store. I normally only round the price up to the nearest quarter or perhaps fifty cents. I don’t have to deal with nickels, dimes and pennies that way! :-p

Support your local or church store! :-)


65. Brad
September 22, 2008
8:28 AM

I want to thank Paul for his comments in post #62. I am a (now) former employee of Mitchell Family Books, the distributor he mentions in his post. While we sold books into all sales channels (Amazon, Costco, WalMart, libraries, etc), the local Christian bookstore was the heart of our business. Yes, there are better deals on select titles elsewhere, but as Paul stated, it is the local bookseller who is often the heart and soul of the Christian community in a local setting.

In my days in retail, prior to moving into our marketing division, I spent many hours helping new Christians find their first Bible (and considered it a privilege), or assisting a mom in finding a good book for their wayward teenager, or just providing a listening ear for a senior citizen who had no family in the area and just needed someone to share with. You won’t find that at Costco or Amazon.

Sure there are better prices online. And yes, slow delivery times are frustrating (I was often frustrated with our own stores), but believe me, ministry happened. And in the end, isn’t that what we do it for anyway? So bravo to Paul and all of the other local Christian booksellers who are trying to make a go of it in these very difficult times. I wish each one of them nothing but God’s very best for them and their ministries. Keep plugging away guys and know that you are appreciated.


66. Brad
September 22, 2008
8:36 AM

Just another thought…

For all of you who have commented here about your frustration with the local Christian bookstore, let’s hear your suggestions…

What would you want to see (or not see) in your local store? What can our Christian stores in Canada do that would make you want to purchase from them instead of online? Is there anything that would bring you back?

We need your help in putting the pieces back together, otherwise, the day will come when there will be no more Christian retailers left in this country, and that would be a sad day indeed.

Thanks!


67. Barrett
September 22, 2008
9:02 AM

When possible, I buy from Westminster books. Low shipping and, living in Maryland, I usually get them the next day. If they don’t have the book I want, I buy over $25 on Amazon. But I prefer to support Westminster.


68. Tim
September 22, 2008
9:40 AM

My vote was for a local retailer. I do buy plenty of books online at Solid Ground Books and Cumberland Valley. Most Christian book stores are not really recommended (prices too high and theology too questionable). However, there is a private bookstore here in Louisville, KY called the Christian Book Nook that is absolutely wonderful. The guy who owns it sells a lot of books to Southern Baptist Seminary, so that helps his stock. The books are cheap (usually a 30% discount on new books), and he also carries plenty of used books (a lot of hit and miss here, but many are $1 or even $0.25!).


69. Al Beisser
September 22, 2008
9:43 AM

I like getting books from the library… best price around.

If I want to buy a book to keep, I’ll usually buy online, though.

Then there are those times in Barnes and Noble or a Lifeway store when I’ll see something I just have to have and I’ll buy on impulse … that’s definitely the most fun!


70. Matt
September 22, 2008
10:25 AM

Cumberland Valley is the old standard wholesaler - selling Reformed books by catalogue and now online for decades.

But since I live decently close to Westminster, I still prefer to go in and browse.


71. Art Costigan
September 22, 2008
11:27 AM

In this order…
Westminster
Amazon
Alibris


72. Cory
September 22, 2008
1:23 PM

My heart goes out to the local retailers and I agree with Paul (62) and Brad (65). When visiting with the owner of the store in my area, she shares her frustration with her distributors and their lack of “quality” books. I returned a book for teens last year due to strange content, and she responded graciously and wholeheartedly. She proceeded to pull all those books off the shelves. Personal orders are welcome, but again her suppliers sometimes don’t carry the type of books I am looking for. I choose to support this store, but I also buy from some of the online stores listed in other posts.
I have wonderful memories of purchasing my first study Bible at age 16 and how the store owner (Mr. Shelley) thoroughly walked me through the many choices available at the time. It is still my main Bible (25 yrs. later), though I do plan on purchasing an ESV Study Bible when they come out this fall. What a ministry and blessing Mr. Shelley’s store and my present local store have been to me and many others. Nothing compares to personal attention. The local store will definitely get my business for all of the reasons mentioned in post 62. I must add that Amazon is great for previewing a title and for getting a general feel of reader opinion, and yes, they do get my business for a few books and other items.


73. Scott D. Andersen
September 22, 2008
7:34 PM

Thomas Sullivan:

regarding books.google.com:

I like your method of finding many of the books you need at books.google.com. Do you then just read online - or via your computer screen or have you been able to utilize an electronic reading device like the kindle?

If I knew whether it was possible to convert books.google.com into kindle format I would buy one immediately — and plus what a great asset for the missionaries who might have access to the internet with little access to good books.

sda


74. Ray
September 23, 2008
7:38 AM

Anywhere but Family Christian Stores.


75. Curtis Riskey
September 23, 2008
3:25 PM

I’m a Christian retailer and I also work for the Association for Christian Retail (CBA), so I’m in a unique position to both feel the pain of and devote my energy to speaking out about the realities Christian retailers face.
I’d like to thank both Paul (62) and Brad (65) for pointing out some of the struggles our local Christian retailers face and the added value these same retailers offer.
I’d like to challenge some of the bloggers to consider the bigger picture here: Local Christian retailers are Brothers and Sisters devoted to seeing Christ glorified through their ministries and the products they sell. These retailers are in many ways “local missionaries” spreading the Gospel through their small businesses. Yes, these Christian retail stores are ministries as they’re daily looking for ways to minister to and serve people within their communities. By purposely purchasing books at a local Christian retailer, a consumer is keeping those dollars within their local community. These dollars go to support other Brothers and Sisters who work and make their livelihoods within their local communities. Often, a portion of those same dollars go to support local Churches by way of tithes.
If spent online (not at a local Christian retailer’s web store), those same dollars leave their local communities. Also, by purchasing products at Amazon, do you realize that you’re supporting possibly one of the largest purveyors of pornography in the world? I think we need to consider the idea of stewardship here. Are we building the Kingdom, or something else?
The local Christian retail store and the Church are strongly linked. We have a serious problem in the American Church of weak Christians. That problem won’t get better by turning people loose online to try to find books that will strengthen, grow, and disciple the Body. Christian retail stores take this role very seriously, working closely with local Churches to come alongside and assist leaders in educating and equipping their congregants. Amazon can’t do this.
Without customer support, our nation’s Christian retail stores will cease to exist. The fallout would be heartbreaking for the Church and for Christian publishing. A vital ministry connecting people with life-changing (life-saving/giving) books and products would be gone, as would the main conduit between those customers and the Church. And a business ministry that holds publishers responsible for producing books and materials that uphold biblical truths and doctrine would be gone, replaced by the secular influence of general bookstores and Web sites interested only in the “hot-selling” new book watered down for the masses.
Remember this process: Choice, Consequence, Local Impact, and Kingdom Result. I appreciate all who specifically have decided to frequent their local Christian retail stores; I only wish more would follow.


76. Jeff Williams
September 23, 2008
7:58 PM

I would like to add to the comments in support of the local Christian retailer, of which I am one. I purchased a store that had a 40+ year history in my local community with the ministry opportunities as our motivation. This was five years ago and we continue to struggle day in and day out to just survive. This point has been made by others but I want to emphasize it again. The ministry that takes place in our store does not happen at B&N or Hastings and will never happen online. We have an opportunity to touch others for Christ in a way that no other retail industry can but our “kind” are dying out almost daily. There were comments about selling “Jesus Junk” and authors like Jakes, Osteen, Hinn and Meyer. We have each of these authors on our shelves and we also have Catholic focused books and items on our shelves . If we tried to make our business an “exclusive place” only for Christians with a reformed or orthodox viewpoint, what ministry would be taking place? I don’t agree with Jakes, Hinn, Osteen or even Meyer on many of their principles and teachings but if I don’t have their titles on the shelf I will never have the chance to minister to the people who are looking for these titles. By carrying a wide variety of titles we can attract a wide variety of people and really minister to those who need to know the truth about Jesus Christ. Now to the business side that must work for the ministry to continue (we have helped evert at least one suicide through being available to pray with someone, lets see Amazon do that). When it comes to books we are getting squeezed from both sides, the publishers are cutting our discounts (our profits go down theirs go up) without affecting the retail price of the book. Essentially I am paying more for the same book I bought from a publisher today then I was a year ago but the perceived price (the one Amazon and other discount against) for the end user has not changed. In order to offset the loss of sales on books (to Amazon, CBD and others) and the loss of profit to be made on the books we sell (the publisher cutting our discounts) we can either shut the doors or sell “trinkets” as some have described. These trinkets are important to people and they (the customer) will get them somewhere else if not from us. The one advantage to trinkets is most people want to touch and feel a gift item and in a time of need (loss of a loved one, still born child, toddler run over by a grandparent) they need a person to help them, not an operator or website to take their order. We have to sell the trinkets to make enough profit to continue to offer the books that everyone (including the majority on this blog) want at a discounted price. If the economics would work I would sell only Bibles as that is the only pure book ever written but the reality is too many people buy the Bible for what is on the outside (need a pink one that matches the dress or an expensive leather one to impress other congregants) then what is on the inside. I offer the pink ones or the expensive leather ones in hope that once they get it in their hand they will really discover the imporatant part is what is written inside. If the trends of Christians buying online from secular sources continues, the independent Christian retailer will cease to exist. What better weapon could Satan dream up to use against us then to have the one place in a community that has people trained to help select a Bible go out of business? It is happening every day and my prayers are I don’t end up being one of them. Support the local Christian retailers, pay full list for a book and you are supporting kingdom work. Support the secular book sellers, get that discounted price (same one they offer on the Satanic bible, Amazon has it for $7.99) and see what the final outcome is and how much ministry work will cease to happen. Blessings!


77. David Moody
September 23, 2008
10:10 PM

I am a manager of an independent Christian bookstore. I am troubled by the number of people who support amazon.com. The same people who criticize Christian bookstores for carrying charismatic books they don’t agree with seem to have no problem supporting a website where part of their money goes to reorder the “satanic bible”. They put dollars ahead of principles. I would rather let a Christian bookstore special order a book for me at full price than get it at amazon for half price. Also, Christian bookstores are there for the whole body of Christ, not just a particular viewpoint or faction. We are lighthouses and resource centers to minister to the Body of Christ and point people to Him. We need your support.


78. Trisha Taylor
September 23, 2008
11:10 PM

God bless all of you who wrote and understood the REASON Christian bookstores exist, why we invest our retirement savings, borrow money, and work incredibly long hours and often at a monetary loss without pay for ourselves - all to minister to our communities. Ever since I was saved in 1974, I have frequented Christian bookstores, often spending my lunch hours walking their aisles, just to get the sense and presence of God. AMEN to each person who explained - our role is to make available Christian materials of every kind to all believers and seekers, not to discriminate against those of different denominations. Are we so narrow in our doctrines that we fail to see that HEAVEN will be populated by so many of these “other denominations?” Would you turn away the Catholic lady who cried in front of my bookstore counter, saying that ours was the first Christian bookstore she had ever felt welcome in as a Catholic beliver?
I now own a Christian bookstore that has struggled the last 5+ years to keep the doors open. Only because my husband provides for us between his retirement pay and his job as a custodian, can we afford to have my retirement keep the doors open, my staff paid, and our community ministered to. But I work 70 - 80 hrs a week and all without pay. Why? Because I carry a burden for those we serve.
It hurts so much to read some of these blogs. It’s like the same Christians who would scream if their daily wages were cut think it’s ok to support satanism, homosexuality, pornogrophy, all in the name of save a buck at amazon. But that’s exactly the end result of the decision not to shop at a local Christian bookstore - it cuts the wages of all those who work in that ministry. Even church bookstores are unfair competition, because they don’t have the expenses the local store does - rent, utilities, taxes, etc. I am not complaining about the calling God has on my life. I love my work and I rejoice in serving God by serving his people. But it does grieve me that my own brothers and sisters in Christ think nothing about the end results of their choices. Why do I drive to work and back and see the parking lots of nice restaurants full, often with these bargain Christian shoppers, who say we are overpriced, when we try our best to offer value and service for every product - with coupons, with sales. Is it that money spent on eating out and entertainment is more important than the spiritual products and little extra it may cost to shop at a local Christian bookstore? I purposefully buy every super saver product I can get my hands on - even at shorter discounts for our store, to bless the customer with a sale price. I’m a consumer too! I want to help your money go further! And yes, we do pay tithes to the local churches; we hire local people; we donate products to local Christian organizations for fund raisers and events. And when the Dept of Family Services calls me and asks for a bible on CD or anything for a limited income person, I provide it at no cost. Same with every church or organization that asks for donations - no one is turned away without Christian products. Do your online stores do any of that? Of course not. Nor does B&N or Walmart. And they surely are not praying with their customers or for their customers and their community and their community’s pastors and lay leaders. When I pray on my knees asking God what to do, the one consistent answer I get is not to give up. It is God’s calling; and He cares about the people I serve, even if the numbers keep diminishing and I see losses while all my expenses go up. Anyhow, God bless all who are serving Him and know I pray for you. In fact, I’m praying for every one who reads this blog. May God open our eyes to see that He is the giver to us of all we have; even if we worked for it, He provided the job and the health to work, and all our resources should be committed to Him first where spent and how spent. We will be here, serving God by serving His people, for as long as God gives strength and finances and His calling is still there.


79. Ian Thompson
September 24, 2008
4:02 AM

If it is all left to the market - which most consumers are apt to do - then you won’t be able to buck the trend and unless the Christian retailer justifies a visit to their store then they will fade away. The question is ‘how do I justify the visit?’.

I am concerned with the comment of Jeff Williams that he stocks bad stuff in order to sell good stuff. Publishers face the same problem in keeping their accounts healthy but in the end, you are just keeping your accounts healthy - is that your objective? If you have to publish / retail stuff that you don’t think is helpful then you are not a ministry - just a business. It may be better to change your business model rather than your conscience!

I think that the environmental movement has some useful tips for us here. They have made certain behavior considered socially unacceptable by campaigning (SUVs, Flying too much…). So I would suggest a two-pronged approach
a) make sure that the customer leaves the store wanting more
b) getting the message across what is really at stake in ministry terms if communities lose their local Christian bookstore so that when people say ‘I bought it from Amazon.’ then they find it a less socially acceptable statement to make in a Christian context.
Carrot and Stick


80. bob plummer
September 24, 2008
6:43 AM

as a long time bookseller, both secular and christian, i have watched the likes of internet sites destroy christian bookstores. why do you think our retailers have gone to selling “trinkets and art?” try looking for items on amazon that are pornographic or less than desirable in any of our homes let alone our lives and you will find that those sites that you love so much are selling and promoting lifestyles that are completley opposed to Christ and christianity. yet it does not bother it’s christian customers at all…. price is their god.
as to the criticism that we carry books that some disagree with, i agree! i carry books that meets the needs of the christian communty at large. that is the tight rope we walk. we have so many points of view theologically and our customer base is just that varied.
christian bookstores are closing at an alarming rate and it won’t be long until the only alternative is the internet. for many it does not matter but it does to me and the people on our staff. we pray daily with our customers and we pray daily for them. i’m sure amazon does likewise! amazon exists for the glory of amazon and it will promote anything that sells!


81. Brad
September 24, 2008
7:37 AM

So here we are a few days later and I’m still not seeing any helpful commentary on how the local Christian bookstore can improve and win back it’s customers. Come on folks, let’s have a constructive discussion here! What would bring you back?


82. Ray
September 24, 2008
10:29 AM

Well, I have this to say to the retailers who’ve posted here: when Family Christian Stores stops slapping price stickers on their books that are $1 more than the price listed on the dust jacket (as happened to me recently), then maybe I’d consider going back. Otherwise, I’ll take the money I’m saving by shopping on line and add that to the tithe at my local church.

Just because you are a local Christian retailer doesn’t mean you’re entitled to our business.


83. David Kjos
September 24, 2008
11:28 AM

I’m very committed to supporting local businesses, Christian or not. It’s not only good for them, it’s good for the whole local economy, and good for me, even if I have to pay a little more. To get my business, you only have to do three things:

1. Be here. I live in a small community that can’t support businesses like bookstores, so I buy books mostly online. When I do get to the nearest town with a bookstore, I like to patronize those that really are local, i.e., the owners actually live there, as opposed to the big chains.

2. Sell something I want. The last time I was in a Christian bookstore, other than a tiny corner of their Bible section, they literally had nothing that I would buy. I did find a couple of goodies in the used book bin.

3. Don’t sell blatantly antibiblical garbage. I’ll tolerate your Jesus junk and even the flaky How to Be Happy while Remaining Perpetually Immature books you sell, but if I mostly see you as a purveyor of heresy, I’ll be happy to see you go out of business.


84. Jeff Williams
September 24, 2008
12:22 PM

In response to the follow-up comment of Ian. I don’t think I said I sell bad stuff, I said I sell titles I don’t necessarily agree with the authors teachings or principles. Who am I to judge if someone else who claims to be a Christian, and has a different point of view, is wrong and my point of view is right. Each and every item I sell is directed toward “Putting Christ in your every day life”, the mision of my store. And to David’s comment of “being a purveyor of heresy”, I guess his ability to judge others is much more developed then mine. As to Ray’s comment about Family Christian. I would never try to sell a book for more then the SuggestedRetailPrice but what Ray and others probably don’t understand is that book is printed with the SRP at a specific point in time. If the price for the book goes up (which they do), we as a retailer have our costs calculated on the new price, not the one that is printed on the book. Also as I mentioned in an earlier post, many publishers are cutting retailers discounts thus my cost for a book that has a SRP of $19.99 last year and the same SRP this year has gone up. Stickering over the price is a bad practice (at least in my opinion) but no one can afford to sell a book (or any other product) and not make a resonable profit. I don’t expect anyone to buy from my store just because I am a retailer of Christian products or even because I am a Christian who retails products. I just wish people would understand what buying “at a discount” from Amazon and others is doing, supporting companies who have no calling to minister, only a calling to sell. I would like to restate what Brad has said in 81, what would bring you back into a Christian retail store? We are all (collectively all independent owned stores) looking for new and better ways to serve all people and minister to their needs but if price is the major factor we cannot compete with chains, E-commerce or big box retailers as their focus is ONLY price and profits and not impacting the Kingdom. Please give use some positive suggestions or ideas as to what each of you as a consumer of books would like to see when you enter a Christian retail location.


85. Doug
September 24, 2008
1:25 PM

Majority of my book purchases come from Westminster (wtsbooks.com) or BooksAMillion (bamm.com). Occasionally, I will order from Amazon… and even, believe it or not, Tower (tower.com). Tower had a couple Bible commentaries listed cheaper than any Christian source at the time! Not always, but I give ‘er a check now and then.


86. Elaine
September 24, 2008
11:08 PM

I will come back to the Christian bookstore when it starts selling decent books. Our local Family Christian store has no C.J. Mahaney! Very little Piper, no Dever, hardly any Sproul. Lots of The Shack and Osteen :-(


87. John
September 25, 2008
12:47 AM

Perhaps you can see this as a wake up call … We all would like to support Christian businesses, but frankly 90% of the books that the brick and mortar Christian bookstores are carrying should never have been published. We must all use discernment in rightly judging what is, and what is not Christ-honoring. Many of the bookstores (at least the ones I have been in) are stocked with highly questionable books with content that is actually harmful to the vitals of religion. If you want to draw people back in you need some real spiritual nourishment to offer them.

If you must carry moralistic and Christless books like the Osteen titles then it shows a profound lack of judgment and discernment. It is good to hear that you pray for those who come to your stores but what good is prayer if you send them away without real food, so to speak. If you consider your stores a ministry then do not neglect to pray but teach your customers discernment and send them off with substantial literature that will benefit them and draw them to the Christ of Scriptures, not moralistic stories that contain a fuzzy feeling about Him. With all the talk and warnings in the New Testament about false teachers, the comments from some of the bookstore owners above leads me to believe they think knowing right from wrong is beyond any of our ability to discern. The warnings were given for a reason, not so we would ignore and be nice for the sake of a false unity. This is not to say we should go to Amazon, but that we should support businesses that honor Christ by supporting the true gospel, online and off.


88. Greg Gibson
September 25, 2008
5:12 AM

Correction #2: When I tried to place my first order at BooksAMillion.com, I discovered that the cheap intl. shipping applies only to a limited number of countries. So, I just placed my first order with Monergism.com who has the cheapest intl. shipping to all countries.


89. Bryan
September 25, 2008
9:24 AM

I go for cheapest (factoring in shipping) which is usually Amazon or Alibris. I try to get used books in good condition. Both services offer good selection and great prices. Amazon usually wins in price but not always. I’m now switching from buying individual books to buying a stack of books at a time to try to save on shipping. It’s not working out so well yet as Amazon and Alibris use hundreds or thousands of different vendors so there isn’t always savings to be found.


90. Jennifer
September 25, 2008
2:06 PM

I have been very frustrated with our local Christian bookstore because they never have the book I am looking for in stock. There is a clearly a lack of discernment in what they sell. There is a new on-line family friendly site based out of Knoxville, TN (my city) that actually donates 5% of your order to your choice of Christian non-profits. It is called Abunga. The site is www.abunga.com. I have found that they are actually cheaper than most sites.


91. Phil Whittall
September 25, 2008
2:34 PM

I’m the co-owner of a Christian bookshop in the UK and we’e fighting to stay alive. Just today, I went into the store to see my employees pray for a woman whose husband has cancer, see a church pick up hundreds of titles of a single book for an evangelistic event the following night, supply a church leader from a denomination not my own with resources she needs to serve her church and help a man with an elderly congregation get hold of a large-print Bible. At the same time, we talk about selling selected general market books to attract new customers because we are losing money and we can’t do that forever. If the churches and Christians go elsewhere, we can’t survive, we can’t get better and the light we hope to be on the high street, goes out. We try so hard to have a good selection of new books and old classics but predicting what the customer wants to read with millions of books available is tough and we simply cannot compete with Amazon who can sell books for less than we can buy them!


92. Keith
September 25, 2008
4:07 PM

In response to Brad’s question, what I would like local Christian bookstores to bring back are good Christian books. I would much rather support a local Christian bookstore than shop online, but every brick and mortar Christian bookstore I have ever visited is spiritually depressing. It is as if they were created for no other purpose than to trivialize the Lord of Glory and the faith that millions have died for. There is shelf after shelf of “Jesus trinkets” that border on the blasphemous. But where are the good books? Generally speaking, you can’t walk into a local Christian bookstore and find the great books that have been and are being published by Banner of Truth, P&R, Christian Focus, Crossway, etc. At least those books are available at Amazon. What few books there are in the local Christian stores are simply not worth anyone’s time. If I need a Precious Moments figurine or a Veggie Tales DVD, I would think “local Christian bookstore.” If I need a good Christian book, the local Christian bookstore is the last place that pops into my mind. To get me back into the local Christian bookstore on a regular basis, what I would want to see are at least three things:

1. Become BOOKstores again - not sellers of trinkets that trivialize Christianity.

2. Get someone with some discernment involved with book purchasing decisions. If the person ordering books for the store doesn’t know the difference between B.B. Warfield and B.B. King, he or she should find a different line of work.

3. Stop piping in such awful music. Even if my local Christian bookstore sold any good Christian books, I can’t stand being in there for more than a few minutes because of the cheesy CCM that is always being played. Put in some Bach.


93. Elizabeth
September 25, 2008
4:17 PM

I usually stick to checking books out of the library— much easier on the pocketbook. But if there’s one I like enough to want to own, it’s usually Amazon.


94. John Strifler
September 26, 2008
10:31 AM

I value John’s (good name!) #87 comments and Keith’s #92 suggestions are useful and being addressed in many stores
Ian’s #79 comments regarding what is at stake is critical to understand - both for business and ministry issues: local small businesses make or break our economy and the ministry occurs through the local store is almost indescribable. Think Kingdom, shop Local (to modify a phrase from the Green movement)

I have a couple issues I’d value further clarity - I’ll start with this one:

Help me understand the disconnect I see in not shopping in a store that carries Osteen and Meyers but also has Bible studies, commentaries, etc., while supporting one (Amazon) that carries pornography, etc?
Does price outweigh all other long tail benefits for Kingdom?
Is the selection just that poor in the stores you have visited and the owners not respond to bring in other titles?


95. mike
September 26, 2008
1:21 PM

The blind hypocrisy of those putting down us local stores is staggering. That may be harsh, but here’s why I say it: We’re supposed to carry only things that are universally accepted (by you) as “good.” We’re not allowed to carry what you would never buy but others come to us specifically for, whether we like it or not (yes, people come here to buy a “Christian card” and a “Christian mug” and never buy a theology book. Am I supposed to insult them by saying, “thanks for buying 12 that bucks of Jesus Junk!”?) We’re expected to spend our shrinking cash flow on books that you already have that someone else probably will not buy unless we first convince them that the book they want and came in for is “bad.” On top of it all, we are to have our prices at or close to the prices that Amazon has, even though Amazon does not have the expenses we do and does have the resources we can’t have. Meanwhile, Amazon and all the other retailers you support get to sell whatever they want, with no qualms by you — while if these same items were even found lying in a corner of our parking lot, would cause you to never enter our store.

And I’d love to change the business model, but purchasing what you need (based on projected customer purchases - a combination of past sales and pure guessing) and paying for it (very often) before a customer buys it, is the only way 99% of our vendors will do business with us. I’ve found that most people have a strange obsession with getting paid on a regular basis.


96. Keith
September 26, 2008
1:30 PM

In response to Mr. Strifler’s question (#94), perhaps it is because Christians have higher expectations for other Christians. If I walk into an auto-repair shop owned and staffed by non-believers and hear the workers cursing like sailors, I may not like it, but I’m hardly shocked or surprised. I don’t expect unbelievers to act like Christians. If I walk into an auto-repair shop owned and staffed by Christians and hear the same kind of language, I would be more upset. If Amazon or Barnes and Noble or Borders is selling porn, that’s hardly a surprise, but when Christian bookstores are selling blasphemy (i.e. spiritual pornography), that’s much more offensive. You don’t have to go to the porn section at Borders or at Amazon. You can’t avoid the (spiritual) porn section in every local Christian bookstore I’ve been to. I truly do not think most local Christian bookstore owners realize how offensive that stuff is to many of us. It trivializes Christianity and makes a complete mockery of Jesus Christ. Why should we expect atheists and adherents of other religions to take our Christian claims seriously, when all they have to do is walk into any Christian bookstore and pick up the latest Jesus trinket to show that even Christians don’t take it seriously?

Another factor for some may be the question of competence. Although I might prefer to give my business to the Christian repairman, if the auto-repair shop owned by the unbeliever always does the repairs right and at a fair price and the repair shop operated by Christians continually overcharges me and fails to fix the problem right the first time, why shouldn’t I take my car to the pagan who knows what he’s doing even if I have to hear off-color language while I’m waiting?

Just a couple of thoughts.




97. inge
September 27, 2008
5:36 AM

i try to go to my local christian bookstore as much as possible. but lately they are carring fewer and fewer commentaries and also less bible studies that aren’t purpose driven or emergent. i find myslef looking on the net more and more. when i do order online, i usually go to deep discount. they are cheaper and shipping is always free.


98. Shirley Lapi
September 27, 2008
1:15 PM

I buy my books at the JOY Bookstore in Sinking Sping, PA and have always bought them there since I have been a Christian, about 30 years now. I rarely buy anything online with the frequency of stolen identity. My local bookstore offers programs for my grandchildren, coupons for saving money, and I don’t have to pay a shipping charge. I interact with the owners and the sales people and enjoy the visit with a cup of their complementary coffee! I wouldn’t do my book shopping any other way!


99. Thomas Sullivan
September 27, 2008
9:08 PM

Scott: My library from books.google.com is now about 1 1/3 DVD’s full. Close to 6 gigabytes over 350 titles.

You mentioned, “If I knew whether it was possible to convert books.google.com into kindle format I would buy one immediately”

I was wondering, what is KINDLE format? It doesn’t read all .pdf files? I want one too, but at about 1/4 the price!

I wonder if you can load the Ages Software pdf files on it? I have a lot of those CDs.


100. JC
September 28, 2008
2:13 AM

I go to Valley Gospel Mission, which is in the Greater Vancouver area. Non-profit little bookstore run by a family. Great selection of old-fashioned books.


101. mike
September 28, 2008
2:46 PM

as a post-college newlywed, goodwill, library sales and half.com are awesome. three spurgeon classics for under five bucks, or pay $15 at the local Christian book store for one of them? no brainer.

i’ll take a few wrinkles in the front cover. ; )


102. Rich Fry
September 29, 2008
1:28 PM

I buy mostly from Amazon, but I’ve been buying a lot from Crossway recently. Amazon has cheaper prices and if I buy a few books I can usually get free shipping…but I do like to support the Christian merchants, and so will often pay the extra couple bucks for Crossway. As well, I really like that for many Crossway titles, I get a free PDF download of the book to read while I wait to get the actual book. In a way, I’m paying the couple bucks extra for that PDF and it’s worth it, because it also makes highlighting or cutting & pasting quotes easier.

Yet, in wanting to support the Christian merchant/publicher, I also want to support the blog/location/author of the book…like yours, Tim. I bought your book from Crossway (so I could get the PDF), but I know that I could have gotten it cheaper from Amazon AND yet have supported you more directly (perhaps) by getting it from Amazon via your direct link. I may be buying a few more copies for friends as Christmas gifts. Which route would you suggest? 1) Crossway, 2) Amazon via your link, or 3) anywhere I can get it cheap?


103. Simple Mann
October 2, 2008
11:28 AM

Usually read reviews on Amazon and/or ChristianBooks.com, then check prices between Amazon, Tower, Westminster, Monergism, GraceandTruthbooks.com, Half.com. I used to order a lot from Amazon b/c ordering $25 of books is hardly a problem and I like the free shipping. I have been ordering a lot from Tower lately because they have the same shipping deal, but I have found their prices are often better than Amazon’s (although shipping is often slower). Also, I have been ordering from Westminster quite a bit, who have a flat $4 shipping rate and often have up to 40% on books. If I’m ordering 4 or 5 books that are between 35 and 40% off at Westminster, even with the shipping, it can be less expensive than ordering from Amazon or Tower.

I also to place books in my cart or on my wish list in the different stores and let them sit for a little while before I order them while I check out reviews and wait a bit to see if it’s something I’m really interested in buying. That also gives me more time to check prices and not make impulse buying decisions. My wife will tell you I buy a LOT of books. I know that may be partly flesh, but at least they’re GODLY books written by godly people. And I try to be a good steward about it. Plus, I enjoy being able to share them with others. I sense that I’m beginning to ramble now…

Peace & Blessings,
Simple Mann


104. Simple Mann
October 2, 2008
11:31 AM

Oh yeah - these aren’t everywhere, but my very favorite bookstore to actually buy books in is Half Price Books. If you have one close to you, they’re a great resource.

P&B,
Simple Mann


105. Simple Mann
October 2, 2008
11:46 AM


PS - Just a quick Amen to some of the folks the folks that pointed out the horrible problems with “Christian” bookstores. I am an avid book lover, but I actually despise shopping in Christian bookstores. I cannot stand all of the trinkets and cutesy collectibles and other “worldly” things that have been dressed up as Christian. And then you get to the books, and they have 200 Joel Osteen books and NO John Owen!? 200 Rick Warren books, but no Thomas Watson!? 30 Charles Stanley books, but no Charles Spurgeon!? The shelves are replete with feel-good man-centered garbage, and devoid of self-denying God-glorifying theological meat. All confection and soda pop, no meat and potatoes. What does that appeal to?

P&B,
Simple Mann