This morning brings us to our fourth reading in Jonathan Edwards’ The Religious Affections. You can click here to read more about this effort. If you have not been reading with us and would like to participate, this is as good a time as any to join in. Next week we’ll begin the real meat of the book and what has come before, though important, shouldn’t hinder your enjoyment of the rest of it.
Summary
This week we finished Part III in a reading that was probably too long. Here Edwards continues laying out his signs of “nothing.” This is to say that he points out things that are often offered as proof of authentic spirituality when in reality these cannot be said to prove or to disprove faith.
These were the seven characteristics he pointed out in the first half of the section:
- Intense or high affections
- Physical manifestations
- Excessive excitement and talkativeness
- The way in which affections are brought about
- That Scripture is brought to mind
- The existence of love in the affections
- The fact that a wide variety of affections may exist
In this second part he adds to this list:
- Comfort, joy and convictions of conscience
- Spending much time in religious activity or worship
- Praising God
- Confidence in the experience of the divine
- That true Christians believe these people to be truly saved
He offers his thoughts, at some length, on each of these.
Discussion
This section, though not exceedingly difficult to read, was undoubtedly too long. Forty pages is a tall assignment when it comes to Edwards. We’ll try to keep things more manageable in the future. As much as I am enjoying the book, I am looking forward to getting to the real heart of the book starting next week. At that time we’ll turn from the negative signs to the positive ones. I am prepared for a difficult, soul-searching time! But for today, let me offer some scattered thoughts on this week’s reading.
As I read this week, I kept thinking of that so-called revival in Florida. I’ve seen many video clips of what is going on there and it is amazing how often they parallel the marks of “nothing” Edwards discusses in this book. There are high emotions and affections, physical manifestations, excitement, Scripture, joy, worship, praise, experience of God…but all of these things may mean nothing! I thought of this revival as I read Edwards words that “[God] commonly first manifested Himself in a way which was terrible, and then by those things that were comfortable.” In God’s extraordinary revelations of Himself in Scripture, He often appeared first in a terrifying way and only then in a comfortable way. Yet in what passes for revival today, we often find that God appears only in a way that seems so very human, so very comforting.
I appreciated Edwards’ talk of the sufficiency of Scripture. “Which should be enough with Christians, who are willing to have the Word of God rather than their own philosophy, and experiences, and conjectures, as their sufficient and sure guide in things of this nature.” Too often Christians, or those who claim to be Christians, force Scripture and experience into opposition with each other. And when that happens experience always seems to win. But Edwards insists, as any Protestant should, that Scripture must be our “norming norm.” We cannot allow anything to diminish Scripture’s importance or to downplay its sufficiency. As much as we love experiences of God, we must understand that these are secondary means and that Scripture is primary.
I enjoyed this brief but profound sentence: “Nor does the Spirit of God proceed discernibly in the steps of a particular established scheme, one half so often as is imagined.” Even the most serious student of God must allow that God is in no way constrained by what we think we know of Him. What He says He will do, He will do; but what He tells us is only the smallest glimpse of His character.
And finally, closer to the end of the chapter, I had to highlight this (which is a great section but should have caused Edwards to fail English class): “There are no other principles which human nature is under the influence of, that will ever make men conscientious, but one of those two, fear or love; and therefore, if one of these should not prevail as the other decays, God’s people, when fallen into dead and carnal frames, when love is asleep, would be lamentably exposed indeed: and therefore God has wisely ordained, that these two opposite principles of love and fear should rise and fall, like the two opposite scales of a balance; when one rises the other sinks.” In explanation he says, “Fear is cast out by the Spirit of God no other way than by the prevailing of love; nor is fear ever maintained but when love is asleep.” Thus a person who would seek to have assurance of his salvation must have a heart stirred by the love of God. When love is absent, it is replaced by fear, just as light, when absent, is replaced with darkness.
There are many other passages I highlighted, but these will suffice for now!
Next Time
For next week’s reading we will complete only a short section—the Introduction to Part III. In my Banner of Truth edition this runs from page 120-124. Simply read from the beginning of Part III until immediately before the first mark of truly gracious and holy affections.. This will give people a chance to catch up and will also keep us from reading an exceptionally large section the week after.
Your Turn
As always, I am eager to know what you gained from this part of the book. Feel free to post comments below or to write about this on your own blog (and then post a comment linking us to your thoughts). Do not feel that you can only say anything if you are going to say something that will wow us all. Just add a comment with some of the things you gained from the this week’s reading. To this point the discussion has been excellent!




Comments (21) »
1. PastorAarn
August 7, 2008
10:07 AM
Let me be the first to say thank you for assigning such a small section for this week. I still haven’t finished last week’s and was starting to get worried.
I was first exposed to the idea of love and fear being equal and opposing by John Piper and have spent a lot of time thinking about it. It was a totally new idea as I was under the impression that it was only love that should motivate us, Since then I have seen several times in my life when the idea of fear giving me a “kick in the pants” has been extremely helpful and has increased my love by an order of magnitude.
2. Dave Renner
August 7, 2008
12:05 PM
I am still reading but I am behind. I think that I will be able to catch up over the next week. I really enjoyed your post, Tim, and also the comment by Pastor Aarn. Even though I have fallen behind, I really am enjoying this book. I also find that in so many ways the information that I am reading is being echoed in other areas. This last Sunday we were blessed to have some missionaries in our church giving us an update of what has happened over the last few years in the mission field. After their talks I was able to speak with a church brother who is also doing this reading. We noted how there were several things in the messages that reflected what we are reading or had previously read in Religious Affections. This is my first time doing the “reading the classics together” and it has been a great experience so far. If the “heart” of the book is still to come than I am very excited indeed!
3. Brother Eugene
August 7, 2008
12:39 PM
I find it astounding that so many modern people honestly believe that theologians from past centuries just “didn’t get it” or were obviously lacking intellectually compared to the “modern man”.
Oh, if only Edwards could be alive today to debate or write books dealing with modern heresies and aberrations in evangelicalism!
(Thank God that he HAS raised up many to follow in Edwards’ footsteps)
4. Susan in TX
August 7, 2008
12:45 PM
Ha! There’s more than a few sentences that would’ve caused Edwards to have failed my English class. I’m frequently reminded of Paul, but I think Edwards has Paul beat hands down for number of words he can pack into a sentence. :)
Thanks so much for coordinating this. I’m really enjoying reading with ya’ll, and would never have done it on my own without the accountability of the assignments.
5. David Porter
August 7, 2008
1:19 PM
I haven’t finished my post on this chapter yet, but this chapter brought back many memories of people, in my past, where something in me just said, “this just doesn’t seem to be real faith”.
Just yesterday, in our devotions, my wife and I were discussing common & saving grace (http://www.boomerinthepew.com/2008/05/gods-common-gra.html) and we wound up discussing true, saving faith.
As such, we found ourselves in Christ’s first parable in Matthew, the parable of the Sower in the Field (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2013:3-9;&version=47;).
I am really looking forward to see where Edwards is going to lead us. I have been greatly tempted to peek, but I don’t want to ruin the exploration.
Can’t wait for more!
6. Douglas K. Adu-Boahen
August 7, 2008
4:35 PM
Frankly, I have to say I don’t see the purpose of the physical manifestations as happens in Lakeland. When we read the ministry of Edwards, we see those things accompanying the preaching of the Gospel - Lakeland is an anthropocentric revival with peoples’ needs at the forefront.
If I could, I would gladly photocopy hundreds of copies of this section we have enjoyed this week and hand it out at the entrance of that debacle…
7. Thomas Sullivan
August 7, 2008
6:42 PM
Doug wrote: ..I have to say I don’t see the purpose of the physical manifestations as happens in Lakeland…
Wow, I am more convinced of this than ever after rereading the section of Hodge’s book on Presbyterian Constitutional History and the chapter called, “THE GREAT REVIVAL.”
http://www.tracts.ukgo.com/charles_hodge.htm..
Edwards appears to have learned a great deal by the time he wrote the Religious Affections compared to what he knew in the beginning of the 1740’s.
There was something in revivals that the old writers called, “sympathy.” Hodge calls it “mysterious” and Archibald Alexander devotes a whole chapter to it in his book, Thoughts on Religious Experience.” It is also mentioned in Pike and Hayward’s Cases of Conscience - 1755
I am so fascinated by this term that I want to teach a Sunday School on it. It defies explanation. Look at this sentence and you would think that you were reading something from the Lakeland Revival, but it happened 200 years ago! Yet it was purely natural, not spiritual, and Hodge warned against promoting it.
“On another occasion, under the preaching of the Rev. Mr. Berridge, a man who had been mocking and mimicking others in their convulsions, was himself seized. “He was,” says the narrator, “the most horrible human figure I ever saw. His large wig and hair were coal-black, his face distorted beyond all description. “
“One woman tore up the ground with her hands, filling them with dust and with the hard trodden grass, on which I saw her lie as one dead. Some continued long, as if they were dead, but with a calm sweetness in their looks. I saw one who lay two or three hours in the open air, and being then carried into the house, continued insensible another hour, as if actually dead.”
8. Thomas Sullivan
August 7, 2008
6:50 PM
Pastor Aarn wrote, “I was first exposed to the idea of love and fear being equal and opposing by John Piper and have spent a lot of time thinking about it.”
Brother, could you amplify this thought? I am not entirely sure what you mean as equal and opposing.
I don’t want to spoil the book by giving away the plot, but wait until you get to part 3
Edwards is speaking of the relation of assurance and fear. How these work much like a natural principal…
As the feebleness of grace, and the prevalence of corruption, obscures the object; so it enfeebles
the sight. Corruption in the soul darkens the sight as to all spiritual objects, of which grace is one. Sin is like some distempers of the eyes, that make things to appear of different colours from those which properly belong to
them; or, like other distempers that put the mouth out of taste, so as to disable it from distinguishing good and wholesome food from bad, but every thing tastes bitter. Men in a corrupt and carnal frame, have their spiritual senses in but a poor plight for judging and distinguishing spiritual things.
For these reasons, no signs that can be given will actually satisfy persons in such a case. Let the signs given be never so good and infallible, and clearly laid down, they will not serve them.
9. David Porter
August 7, 2008
9:07 PM
Phew! That was a very verbose chapter.
Here is my post on this chapter: http://www.boomerinthepew.com/2008/08/jonathan-edward.html
I posted my thoughts, up in #5 position, this morning.
10. Rita Martinez
August 7, 2008
9:59 PM
Mr. Challies I’m so glad we are reading this book, it has been quite enlightening for me and edifying! and all i’ve been thinking as I read more and more, is that every professed Christian should read this book!
One of the parts I took to heart most was the following:
“Experience plainly shows, that God’s Spirit is unsearchable and untraceable, in some of the best of Christians, in the method of his operations, in their conversion. Nor does the Spirit of God proceed discernibly in the steps of a particular established scheme, one half so often as is imagined.”
It reminded me of something my pastor once said, that God is not predictable but he is constant.
And this:
“What we have principally to do with, in our inquiries into our own state, or directions we give to others, is the nature of the effect that God has brought to pass in the soul.”
The 2nd part of this book puts an end to so many Christian clichés I had learned in the nearly 3 years of being a Christian and has helped me understand how there exist people who profess to have been a Christian for many years but “fell away” from the faith never to return again.
This has been, for me, like one of those books you can’t put down, cause you’re desperate to know whats going to happen next! I myself can’t wait for part three!! “I am prepared for a difficult, soul-searching time!” and I as well.
Douglas K said:
“If I could, I would gladly photocopy hundreds of copies of this section we have enjoyed this week and hand it out at the entrance of that debacle…”
Not a crazy idea, I’ve certainly thought of something similar.
11. PastorAarn
August 7, 2008
10:58 PM
Thomas Sullivan wrote:Pastor Aarn wrote, “I was first exposed to the idea of love and fear being equal and opposing by John Piper and have spent a lot of time thinking about it.”
Brother, could you amplify this thought? I am not entirely sure what you mean as equal and opposing.
Piper spells it out better than I ever could in “Desiring God” but the basic idea is that fear and love work in tandem to help the believer. When love burns hot in the Christian’s life it casts out fear, when love cools then the fear of the Lord causes us to return to love. If you can, imagine a sliding scale with love on one end and fear on the other. The goal is to be all the way on the love side but if we slide back in passion, fear compels us to return. I may not be doing the concept justice but if you read “Desiring God” you will get a clearer picture.
12. Mike
August 7, 2008
11:17 PM
For those listening..Part 3 starts 4:22:14 though the christianaudio.com version.
Indeed when I read this, it made me think of many of the outreach services I’ve been to in years past. Indeed it was the very nature of the style teaching in these churches (who is very committed to the great commission) that gave me a spiritual workout in the battle for assurance. I found none in what they were teaching, which later became a personal crisis. Needless to say the crisis was resolved (later in the book, thanks to Edwards). I have seen many people come and go, that is they profess faith and leave and live like the world with little care for Christ. This book certainly makes those crazy times make so much more sense.
13. Jean Guth
August 7, 2008
11:26 PM
Thanks, Tim, for this opportunity to examine my love to Christ and my joy in Christ.
Having experienced the truth of Edwards’ statements “The happiness of the creature consists in rejoicing in God, by which God is magnified and exalted”, believing “Happiness consists in the knowledge and love of God and joy in Him.. It is part of His glory” and agreeing with Pascal’s “All men seek happiness – this is the motive of every action of every man”. I have chosen to focus on Edwards’ statements about happiness as I read RELIGIONS AFFECTIONS.
I have been greatly encouraged by the truth in these two references from this week’s reading (Banner of Truth edition):
p.60 “The knowledge which the saints have of God’s beauty and glory in this world, and those holy affections that arise from it, are of the same nature and kind with what the saints are subjects of in heaven, differing only in degree and circumstances: what God gives them here is a foretaste of heavenly happiness, and an earnest of their future inheritance.”
p.79 As men that are saved are in two exceeding different states, first a state of condemnation, and then a state of justification and blessedness; and as God, in the work of the salvation of mankind, deals with them suitably to their intelligent rational nature, so it seems reasonable, and agreeable to God’s wisdom, that men who are saved should be in these two states sensibly: first that they should, sensibly to themselves, be in a state of condemnation, and so in a state of woeful calamity and dreadful misery, and so afterwards sensibly in a state of deliverance and happiness; and that they should be first sensible of the absolute extreme necessity, and afterwards of Christ’s sufficiency and God’s mercy through Him.”
Remembering how great a sinner I am, and how great a Savior Jesus is!
14. PastorAarn
August 8, 2008
10:47 AM
Actually, here’s a quote that says what I was trying to say a little better
For so hath God contrived and constituted things, in his dispensations towards his own people, that when their love decays, and the exercises of it fail, or become weak, fear should arise; for then they need it to restrain them from sin, and to excite them to care for the good of their souls, and so to stir them up to watchfulness and diligence in religion: but God hath so ordered, that when love rises, and is in vigorous exercise, then fear should vanish, and be driven away; for then they need it not, having a higher and more excellent principle in exercise, to restrain them from sin, and stir them up to their duty
15. Thomas Sullivan
August 8, 2008
5:00 PM
Pastor Aarn: That quote is excellent. I don’t think you were with us when we studied John Owen and the Mortification of Sin. Edwards is talking about our conscience causing us to fear and Owen takes it one step further and shows that God causes his wayward children to fear as well….
“Perhaps by tomorrow thou shalt not be able to pray, read, hear, or perform any duties with the least cheerfulness, life, or vigor; and possibly thou mayst never see a quiet hour whilst thou livest, — that thou mayst carry about
thee broken bones, full of pain and terror, Yea, perhaps God will shoot his arrows at thee, and fill thee with anguish and disquietness, with fears and perplexities; make thee a terror and an astonishment to thyself and others…”
I stopped the quote here, but Owen’s warning is a lot longer.
HOWEVER I want to balance this and say that it is not God’s purpose to keep a child in fear continually because this servile fear works against the grace of evangelical hope.
And God is not properly served from a heart that mistrusts, fears, and cringes before Him. Love does not naturally flow to someone we think has a sword pointing toward our bosom.
I believe this remedy is used when the child is already in a very sorry state. It is a medicine that is only applied when the patient’s condition is most precarious, and that not to drive him out of his wits but to Christ.
16. Nahomi Dhinakar
August 10, 2008
7:52 AM
A long but important portion nevertheless.
My posts seem to be more like a summary, as if the reading of them would suffice to refresh my memory of the text. (I have used an orange font to distinguish Edwards’ own words from mine without having to resort to quotation marks that could be distracting.)
I am not so sure if these summaries will be of use to anyone else except to prove that one more person is genuinely reading along with the group.
But if I do not write this summary down for myself, I will be left with only sweet affections :) and memories and not remember much of the substance.
You can get to my post at http://couragetotremble.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/the-religious-affections-part-ii-1/
17. PastorAarn
August 10, 2008
10:23 PM
Thomas Sullivan: You are right. I wasn’t around for Owen. Thank you for the quote and the admonition.
18. Kwame Nyarko
August 10, 2008
11:18 PM
This has been a slow and self-examining reading for me. A time of doubting my hope. I pray that this is an “occasion of the doubting of true saints,” and that the grace to run in the narrow way, so as to obtain, may continually abound. Oh in a time as this, such sweet words (John 6:37) of my Savior console me and I rest in the thought that because of God, I will always belong to Jesus.
Concerning my view of others, Edwards’ final paragraph for part 2 was extremely humbling:
“And how arrogant must the notion be that they have, who imagine they can certainly know others’ godliness, when that great Apostle Peter pretends not to say any more concerning Silvanus, than that he was a faithful brother, as he supposed! 1Pet 5:12: though this Silvanus appears to have been a very eminent minister of Christ, an evangelist, a famous light in God’s church at that day, and an intimate companion of the apostles.”
I can’t help it but refer to Scott Andersen’s statement, from last week, in stating my overarching understanding of these ‘nothings’, they
“are no sure signs, yet they also are not improper but to be expected.”
KAN
19. Thomas Sullivan
August 11, 2008
5:54 PM
Kwame, thank you so much for being honest and expressing your doubts and sharing your comments. Edwards has a sermon, “Hypocrites Deficience in the Duty of Prayer.” While that sermon has frightened many people, if you carefully follow his arguments and don’t un-saint yourself too quickly, it is a masterpiece of explaining why the spirit of adoption manifests itself in prayer and prayer is a sure sign of being a saint when it comes from that spirit.
The application is very frightening, but that is Edwards’ style, he appeals to mercenary motives in the unregenerate to get them to seek God. But a saint need not cast away his hope, and this sermon is very helpful in describing the affects of the new birth.
20. steveprost
August 12, 2008
7:19 PM
I think we need to be careful to define the type of “fear” J. Edwards speaks of here, which is the type of fear that is mentioned that is cast out by perfect love in 1Jn 4:18: this is a “fear of judgment/punishment”.
So long as we remain imperfected until Christ’s return, we have need of this fear to some degree, even if we have reached a stage of “full assurance” where we only fear God’s severe fatherly loving discipline, which “at the time is painful”.
But there is a “fear” of God that is true fear that is pure that endures forever (Ps 19:9) that is not a fear of punishment… its a fear our Savior had and delighted in (Isa 11:3) that is true fear (and not some watered-down “weightiness” or “respect”, study lexically and context of evangelical fear and trembling) that is not a mere de-motivator against sin, but is also part of the essence of true virtue, and proper holy religious affection for and response to God that remains after the dross of fear of judgment/punishment/harm is one day fully burned off. Rather than being at an opposite polar end of love, it is an insdistinguishable element from highest holy forms of joy and love that an inferior saint (or seraphim crying out Holy Holy Holy) will always have in the face of the glory of an infinitely superior Majesty. The true saint knows true mustard-seed-foretastes of this delightful fear, but unfortunately it is downgraded in current American evangelicalism.
21. Laurie
August 13, 2008
4:04 PM
Okay, I’ve finally caught up with the pack; and for those who may still be keeping tabs on this discussion I’ve posted my thoughts here:
http://lmokenyon.livejournal.com/105144.html