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08/16/07
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Reading Classics Together - Holiness

Yesterday I proposed Read the Classics Together—choosing a classic Christian book and reading it in tandem, returning here once a week or so for a bit of discussion. This method, I thought, could provide the accountability many of us need to make our way through some of the classics of the faith. Based on the comments for that post I guess you are in agreement. So let’s make it happen!

After receiving many suggestions I decided J.C. Ryle’s Holiness may just be the best place to start. While it’s not the title that is highest on my list, I think it is the most suitable starting point. The first edition is only seven chapters long, meaning that, if we read just one chapter per week, we can work our way through it in seven weeks (Make it eight with the introduction.). This makes more sense to me than beginning with something very long and intimidating (such as Calvin’s Institutes which would probably take at least a year!). We can test the idea and the methodology with a fairly short commitment and reassess before moving to another book.

Of course this is not to disparage Holiness. J.I. Packer says that though “much of Ryle reads dated, culturally and situationally, what he has to say on the interior aspects of personal holiness in Christianity is of perennial importance. Though Ryle’s rhetoric retains its Victorian tinge, his points, biblical and Puritan as they are, are uniformly relevant to Christian living here and now, and indeed speak as pungently to our own shallownesses and superficialities as they did to the counterparts of these lapses a century and a quarter ago.” This is regarded as a classic text on the subject of personal holiness. Packer promises “Real Christians will find it a gold mine, a feast, a spur and a heart warmer, food, drink, medicine and a course of vitamins, all in one. Reading it will, I trust, confirm to you the estimate of Ryle … as a great man and—more important!—fill your heart with the realism, wisdom, energy, lowliness, and joy of Christ. So may Ryle truly come into his own in all our lives.”

Faithfulness and HolinessThe edition I recommend and the one I’ll be reading from is called Faithfulness and Holiness and was published by Crossway in 2002. It includes the full text of the First Edition of Holiness along with an “Appreciation” by J.I. Packer. This will give some useful context for those who wish to understand more about the book and its author. It’s a nice hardcover volume with the first 85 pages being Packer’s contribution and the following 140 or so being Ryle’s book. In the Foreword, Packer explains why this First Edition, some 13 chapters shorter than the Second Edition, is the best choice:

While many of Ryle’s books, including the second edition of Holiness (1879, often reprinted), appear as a set of some twenty coordinate yet separate messages on a single multi-faceted theme, rather than as a series of stages in a single line of thought, these seven chapters were meant to be read as a set, restoring biblical breadth and depth to evangelical minds that had been swept away by fashionable holiness teaching that was actually extreme, shallow, biblically incorrect, and a hindrance to growth in grace. Ryle’s response was not to cross swords with its exponents, but to lay out afresh, biblically, systematically, and in practical terms, the true fundamentals of Christian sanctity, with constant appeal to Puritan and other pundits who had trodden this path before him. These seven chapters are the nearest thing to a treatise that Ryle ever composed, and they enable one to assess the range and balance of his mind, and the shrewdness of his judgment on spiritual things, better than any alternative selection of items would do.

I believe the editions vary only in that thirteen chapters are appended to the Second. As I understand it, the first seven are identical, so even if you have the Second Edition you should be able to follow along without any complication.

If you’d like to purchase the book you can do so at Westminster Books where it’s listed at $11.69. Amazon shoppers will find it here ($14.03). Alternatively, those wishing to read the book online can find it in a variety of formats at CCEL.

I propose we begin our study two weeks from today—August 30. I think that should allow time for people to arrange to obtain a copy of the book and to read the first chapter (“Introduction”). I will post a topic with a few initial thoughts and will invite readers to post their thoughts, reflections and questions on the first chapter. Obviously the greatest value will be in the reading while the discussion will serve to reinforce and clarify what we’ve learned.

Let me know in the comments if you’re going to be part of this (though if you aren’t the kind who comments that’s fine—feel free to remain silent but to read along anyways).

Reading Classics Together - Holiness

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1. Justin Childers
August 16, 2007
2:57 PM

Some members of my church gather to read the Institutes on Thursday mornings. We started in January and are just now about to finish book 2 (we read a chapter or two each week depending on the length). We are gonna take a break and read God is the Gospel. Then, we will pick back up the Intitutes and spend all of 2008 reading books 3 and 4.

So, it will probably take even more than a year if you only read one chapter per week. However, it is rich and rewarding stuff!


2. donsands
August 16, 2007
4:10 PM

Sounds like a plan. Looking forward to growing in His grace and knowledge with the brethern, and sisters.


3. Kyle
August 16, 2007
4:13 PM

I’m in, and looking forward to it.


4. David Wallace
August 16, 2007
4:27 PM

I’m in.


5. Scott W. Kay
August 16, 2007
4:42 PM

Count me in as well. I look forward to it. Great idea Tim.


6. John Hollandsworth
August 16, 2007
4:48 PM

It’s been on my short list to read for over a year. Good choice.


7. Tim
August 16, 2007
4:57 PM

I’ve ordered the copy you recommended. It should be here in about 5 business days. I’ve never read the book so I’m looking forward to it and the discussion.


8. Eddie
August 16, 2007
5:01 PM

Hi. I will certainly try to make some time to read along and comment. I’d certainly like to, but am very busy at the moment. Anyways, see how it goes. Grace, Mercy and Peace.


9. Diane
August 16, 2007
5:06 PM

I’ll be participating. Just bought it from Westminster. Thanks for researching the best places to purchase Tim!


10. Ken
August 16, 2007
5:10 PM

Hi Tim- I have ordered the book… Looking forward to this study!.


11. Amanda
August 16, 2007
5:19 PM

I usually stay pretty silent around these parts, but I’ll go ahead and toss my “I’m in” onto the page. (As a dirt-poor recent college grad I’ll be reading the online version.) I’m looking forward to it!


12. Tim
August 16, 2007
5:20 PM

For anyone interested. There is a STEP add-on of Ryle’s works, including “Holiness” for e-sword. I have a link to e-sword on my site and I’ll post a link to the step version under it. It’s pretty clean and easy to use. One nice thing about using a STEP program with e-sword is the ability to instantly view all scripture references.

No excuse not to join in now!


13. Ann @ HolyExperience
August 16, 2007
5:21 PM

Making the commitment to join in reading “Holiness.”

Wasn’t it Billy Graham who said, “”The greatest regret that I have is that I didn’t study more and read more”?


14. Danny
August 16, 2007
5:29 PM

Count me in Tim! I found an older copy of the book about six months ago at a half price book store next to a lot of fluff. I look forward to the discussion that will ensue.


15. dt
August 16, 2007
5:54 PM

Count me in as well. Grad student that I am, mere weeks from the start of a new semester (a.k.a. the time when I fork over what little I have in the bank), I will be reading it online. I wasn’t even aware of CCEL until now; thanks for linking to it!


16. David Sawyer
August 16, 2007
6:20 PM

Count me in too. I’ll be using the fantastic CCEL as money is tight!


17. Martin Pitcher
August 16, 2007
6:32 PM

Count me in; I am looking forward to it.


18. Dave
August 16, 2007
6:38 PM

You mentioned that first and second editions of this book differ by 13 chapters.

You’ll be reading the first edition, and many of the others may be reading the second edition (eg. the CCEL version shows 21 chapters). How do you propose to synchronize between the two?

Did the second edition only add chapters? (ie. was there no restructuring or breakdown of content from the old to the new)?

Seems like this might be a confusing way to start things off.


19. Levi
August 16, 2007
7:03 PM

I heartily recommend anything by J.C. Ryle. A few years back I was having something of a crisis of faith and I happened to pick up his Practical Religion. Amidst this age of ambiguity it was a breath of fresh air. Ryle writes with clarity, passion, conviction and a complete dedication to the scriptures. It rare that I don’t put down his writings completely convicted of my sin.

It’s true that some of his subjects are quite Victorian (I don’t think horse-racing is as much of an issue now as it was in his day) but his treatment of those subjects only serves to show how well-grounded his theology his. He has become one of my favorite authors. You’re in for a treat!


20. Robert Weir
August 16, 2007
7:28 PM

Looking forward to it. Does not take much to get me into another book.


21. Brendt
August 16, 2007
8:22 PM

Re: Dave’s concern about different editions, etc.

I notice that on the CCEL edition, there appear to be chapter titles. Assuming those are in every edition, it might be worthwhile to say “This week will be reading Chapter 2 — titled Sanctification”.


22. StaffAction
August 16, 2007
8:23 PM

I’m in, Tim.


23. Matt
August 16, 2007
8:55 PM

Robert, I see you’re in, so what choice do I have? You’ll be telling me about it at church anyway.


24. Dick
August 16, 2007
8:57 PM

I’m in!


25. Travis
August 16, 2007
10:57 PM

Though I’m not connected to the site in any way, a quick Google showed me that this book can be found for free on-line reading at http://www.gracegems.org/Ryle/holiness.htm


26. Ivan
August 16, 2007
11:46 PM

COUNT ME IN, TIM.

I recently read Ryle’s “Thoughts for Young Men” which I have followed after my blogger hero, Tim Challies, and did a review (on my blog) for those whom I have influence over. Overall, I enjoyed the clarity (though written more than a hundred years ago), conviction, and the relevance to me (being a nineteen year-old male in the 21st century).

This will be the second work by Ryle which I read and I am excited. I’m trying to get my friends to join me and have our own discussions. Thanks Tim for motivating me to do this. And I look forward to the interaction here. I don’t think I’ll have much to add, but I do expect worthwhile discussions arising as we tackle this great work.


27. Mark
August 17, 2007
1:51 AM

Mischief alert: Either Ryle’s other publishers of Holiness (such as Charles Nolan, Evangelical Press, Banner of Truth) are kicking themselves for sitting out this one, or they are rejoicing that Ryle is being read - I’d bet on the latter. Hendrickson is bringing out its edition of Holiness in October. Way to be true to your school…er, publisher, Tim! :) BTW, I’d take an edition with a forward by Packer any day.


28. Lodebar
August 17, 2007
2:05 AM

Just ordered the book today. The challenge is accepted.


29. Paul
August 17, 2007
3:12 AM

im looking forward to this.


30. Cesar Vigil-Ruiz
August 17, 2007
5:13 AM

I’m down. I have the Evangelical Press copy, which has 21 Chapters. From what Mr. Challies has mentioned, the copy he plans on reading has 7 chapters. Looking through the table of contents, it happens to be the first seven chapters from the Evangelical Press one. You can see the table of contents of the one with Crossway here:

http://books.google.com/books/p/pub-9000451281933865?id=4gBYk5zXTzoC&pg=PA5&dq=isbn:1581343582&sig=UdPP4Qzn-XHWOd4-2MAn5Wp1IuY

Sorry for listing the actual web address, but I don’t know where to put it as a link. Hopefully, that clears up any issue we might have while reading this book.


31. Michael James
August 17, 2007
9:05 AM

I’m in as well


32. Kevin
August 17, 2007
10:04 AM

I’m in. I’ve downloaded it from CCEL since I haven’t had time to review my book-buying budget.


33. Rich Owen
August 17, 2007
10:07 AM

I’m in. Hurrah!


34. Matt
August 17, 2007
11:58 AM

This could become a regular exercise. Perhaps we could read something together on Spiritual Discernment in the future…


35. Larry Thompson
August 17, 2007
12:34 PM

I’m in. Great idea.


36. Kris E
August 17, 2007
1:24 PM

Sounds great. I’m ordering the book today.


37. Robert Talley
August 17, 2007
1:48 PM

Count me in.


38. Tim Challies
August 17, 2007
1:55 PM

Looks like we’ve got a good group together. I’ll post a reminder a day or two out. Until then…get reading! :)


39. Rebekah
August 17, 2007
2:19 PM

I have already read it but would love to reread it in the company of others.


40. Matthew Cochrane
August 17, 2007
2:50 PM

This is one of my favorite books. I have read it twice in the past year and a half and I’m sure I will be following along in the discussions as you go through it. This book will truly edify those who take the time to read it.


41. JamesS
August 17, 2007
3:17 PM

Having just read through Holiness myself a month or two ago, it would be great to go through it again, within a community of sorts, to help solidify Ryle’s excellent points and arguments in my own mind.


42. Marc
August 17, 2007
5:10 PM

Include me.


43. Kristy
August 17, 2007
6:20 PM

I’m in and I went to the link that Travis left on his comment and it looks like it is the same version of the book which is contained in Packer’s book. I don’t think the CCEL version is the same though because I looked on the site and the copy of Holiness that’s on there doesn’t include Chapter 5: The Cost. I’m downloading the STEP version right now, so I’m not sure about it either, but I just thought this info might be helpful for those of us who are looking for a free version of the book! Looking forward to reading this with you, brothers and sisters!


44. Fran
August 17, 2007
6:27 PM

Sounds great Tim! Not my first choice but I’m ready to get to it.


45. Dale
August 18, 2007
12:57 AM

I’m in. Why hasn’t anyone thought of this before?


46. T.J. Leach
August 18, 2007
5:56 AM

Tim, I am a church planter in North Port, FL (an hour south of Tampa) and I’ve read your blog for years. Never posted before. Actually, I’ve never commented or posted on any blog ever. Until now.

This is such a great idea and will be, I’m certain, a great help to the body of Christ.

I have had a copy of Holiness on my shelf for 6 years ever since the staff I served on at the time all got copies and then didn’t actually read it together as planned (long story). Looking forward to it.


47. Marilyn
August 18, 2007
8:41 AM

I generally lurk around here from time to time, but I would like to join in. Great idea; I look forward to the challenge and pray it will also bring refreshment to my family, recovering after a painful departure from our long-time church which has joined the church-growth stampede…


48. Nick Kennicott
August 18, 2007
10:57 AM

I’ll give it a shot.


49. Pam
August 19, 2007
1:27 PM

Looking forward to this exchange Tim. Been a lurker, too, but I’m out and about with this new study … I really appreciate all you bring to your blog and for the edifying of us who read it. I’m bringing some gals along with me to the study, too …


50. gary
August 20, 2007
2:05 AM

I found a copy of Holiness on my bookshelf a few months back that I don’t remember buying and have been unsuccessful in tracking any one who may have lent it to me, so this’ll be a great opportunity to read it.


51. Andrew
August 21, 2007
6:48 AM

Funny you should start with this one - I just bought Faithfulness & Holiness last month from WTS.

I think this is a great idea, and I’ll definitely be reading along.


52. Ken
August 23, 2007
10:35 PM

Count me in, belatedly. I own the book and this seems an excellent forum to read/think through it.


53. Carly
August 25, 2007
10:05 AM

I guess I missed that whole “Let me know in the comments if you are going to be a part of this.”

Here’s a belated “I’m in.”


54. Joel
August 27, 2007
8:58 PM

Another belated “I’m in” for me, looking forward to it.


55. Jerry Minor
August 28, 2007
2:43 PM

i didn’t know about this until I read Justin Taylor’s blog this PM. I have just ordered the Crossway/Packer version from WTS, but I doubt that I will see it until late next week. As a result, I would appreciate a cross reference to the CCEL and or e-sword versions. Thanks.


56. Doug Smith
August 28, 2007
2:52 PM

I look forward to reading along as well.


57. Jeremiah Fyffe
August 28, 2007
3:12 PM

Thanks for this great idea, and what a great site for this meeting of reading to center around. Count me in.

Jeremiah Fyffe (MindPotter.com isn’t quite ready for it’s debut yet, but feel free to stop by and comment on the design.)


58. Tom Brouwer
August 28, 2007
10:10 PM

Thank you Tim for putting together this great idea of reading Christian classics together with other believers. I’m looking forward to learning from Ryle and from the discussion.


59. Tom Brouwer
August 28, 2007
10:10 PM

Thank you Tim for putting together this great idea of reading Christian classics together with other believers. I’m looking forward to learning from Ryle and from the discussion.


60. Christina
August 29, 2007
9:05 AM

Thanks, Tim for putting this together. And thank you for doing the leg work on where to find it. Having bought many books recently, I’m going to give reading on line a try.


61. Leon
August 29, 2007
9:35 AM

I’m in.


62. Jeff Fuhry
August 29, 2007
11:26 AM

Good choice, let’s get started.


63. Everyday Mommy
August 29, 2007
11:36 AM

Count me in. I’ve just ordered my copy of the book. And, thank you for hosting this, Tim.


64. Elda
August 29, 2007
12:58 PM

I’ll be joining in! May not comment much, but am excited to participate.


65. Brian
August 29, 2007
1:18 PM

Count me in - I better get reading


66. ellen b
August 29, 2007
2:07 PM

My book arrived today so I’m going to join in. Blessings….


67. BrettR
August 29, 2007
6:37 PM

Just received mine. Let’s dig!