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Thursday June 26, 2008

Reading Classics Together - The Next Classic (Round 4)

To this point the “Reading Classics Together” effort has gone very well, at least by my assessment. We’ve read J.C. Ryle’s Holiness, John Owen’s Overcoming Sin and Temptation and A.W. Pink’s The Seven Sayings of the Saviour on the Cross. We’ve had hundreds of people participate by reading the books together and discussing them each week. All along we’ve been reading some of the classics of the Christian faith—books many of us wish to read but books few of us have ever made time for. And now it is time to decide on the next classic we’ll read together.

There are two names that were continually in my mind as I pondered where we should go next: John Calvin and Jonathan Edwards. The potential trouble with both of these men is that their seminal works are, in a word, long. If we are to read a long work I wonder if I may just be reading alone by the end. Regardless, I have decided that works of this quality will be worth it. And so I am proposing that our next book be The Religious Affections by Jonathan Edwards (all 350+ pages of it).

Here is what the Jonathan Edwards Center at Yale University says about the work:

A Treatise Concerning Religious Affections stands as Edwards’s most penetrating interpretation of the awakenings of his time, not to mention one of the most penetrating of any time. As in Some Thoughts, he argued against the extremes of emotionalism on the one hand and intellectualism on the other. Affections were essential to true religion, but they had to be tested. First, Edwards lays out his religious psychology of affections, which encompassed both understanding and will and involved the total range of human faculties. Answering critics of the revival, Edwards then discusses at length a series of “negative” signs, or unreliable criteria for judging the graciousness of affections. Finally, and most famously, he provided twelve “positive” signs for self-examination. The twelfth sign, which Edwards gave the fullest treatment, was the importance of Christian practice as evidence of the state of the heart. Here, for Edwards, was the ultimate standard for visible sainthood.

It is going to be a demanding read, and something of a long one, but I know the payoff will be worth every second spent in the book.

I will be reading from the Banner of Truth edition of the work, but you can follow along in any of the unabridged editions (of which there are many available). For technophiles, there is a Kindle edition available for only a couple of dollars. For those who are not interested in spending money, CCEL has the complete text available in HTML, PDF and other formats right here.

If you wish to purchase a printed copy of the book, you can do so from Amazon, Westminster Books, Monergism Books or just about anywhere else good Christian books are sold.

We will target July 17 as our start date. That gives you three full weeks to secure a copy and to read the Introduction and Preface. Then, every Thursday following, we’ll read a portion of the text and discuss it together.

It would be a helpful gauge of participation if you’d post a comment on this post indicating that you’d like to read this book with us. So if you are going to read along, let me know, either with a comment or a quick email. I’m looking forward to reading this next classic with you!

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Comments (101) »


1. Marilyn B.
June 26, 2008
4:31 AM

I’d like very much to read this book with you all. I had to drop out of the last read because I had a lot of sickness and just couldn’t concentrate. Lord willing I will be healthier and able to keep up with the group!


2. GaryBoal
June 26, 2008
6:50 AM

I read Religious Affections a couple of years ago - this is a great excuse to re-read it.
Sounds great Tim!


3. Kim Shenberger
June 26, 2008
6:58 AM

I’ve read Religious Affections already, but I believe I’ll join you this time around anyway. It’s a wonderful book and I can only think my reading experience will be enriched by the shared experience of reading it and discussing it with others.

The thing that has always kept me back from joining before is the commitment. Therefore, I commit to begin with everyone else and then to do my very best to keep up as faithfully as I possibly can and as ‘real life’ allows.


4. John Hollandsworth
June 26, 2008
7:16 AM

I’m in on this one, Tim.


5. Jeff Fuhry
June 26, 2008
7:32 AM

Add me to the list.


6. Jimmy Tidmore
June 26, 2008
7:42 AM

Kindle edition on the way. I look forward to participating.


7. Timothy Lee
June 26, 2008
7:54 AM

Cool. I would like to participate as well. It’s going to be tough reading the Religious Affections, but it’s one of those books that I always wanted to read one day.


8. Jason Nolte
June 26, 2008
8:27 AM

I’ve never read this work, but I’m in and excited.


9. Maria Brown
June 26, 2008
8:43 AM

I think I’m going to give this one a shot


10. Kevin Sorensen
June 26, 2008
8:58 AM

I’d love to join you. It will start in the middle of my vacation and study leave time, so a good time to start a new book. I’m hoping we’ll keep a moderate pace, so that we can all keep up with Edwards thoughts, plumb the depths and not get lost in it all. It’s been a long time since I’ve read this great work. I did so with a group of pastors in Iowa. We called ourselves “The Dead Theologians Society”, largely because we’d only read “dead guys” books.


11. Brian
June 26, 2008
8:58 AM

Tim:

I’ve always wanted to read this - so your suggestion is a catlyst for me. I’ll do it!


12. Bill H
June 26, 2008
9:04 AM

Ditto to Brain


13. Scott D. Andersen
June 26, 2008
9:10 AM

I’m in.


14. Simple Mann
June 26, 2008
9:16 AM

I’m in. “Coincidentally”, I just got a copy of this book earlier this week. I hope I have the time to participate on this one.

Peace & Blessings,
Simple Mann


15. ChrisB
June 26, 2008
9:28 AM

I’m interested in reading Religious Affections, but next time, can we go something a little lighter? It also might be healthy to read a non-Calvinist (or pre-Calvinist).


16. Mark K
June 26, 2008
9:55 AM

I’m game


17. Frank Emrich
June 26, 2008
10:12 AM

I just finished “Jonathan Edwards On Knowing Christ” and have never read Religous Affections. I will also particpate. Thank you as always for great suggestions.


18. Daniel Arthur
June 26, 2008
10:50 AM

Wow, Tim - swinging for the stands with this one, huh? Should be a good read - I’ll do my best to keep up.


19. Scott Foster
June 26, 2008
10:53 AM

I’m in. Thanks, Tim.


20. Matt E.
June 26, 2008
10:56 AM

Count me in! I haven’t chewed on something this weighty in quite a while. I’m excited!


21. Isaac
June 26, 2008
10:58 AM

I started off well with Seven Sayings, but I fell behind and am just now finishing it up, but I still greatly valued the discussions and input of you and everyone else. I “read” Religious Affections when it was the free download at christianaudio, and that just made me want to go through it more in-depth. What a great opportunity! Plus I’ve been telling myself I need to buy a copy of it for the longest time. It looks like now is the time!


22. Matt B.
June 26, 2008
11:01 AM

What a great way to be diligent about completing a very difficult yet edifying book. I look forward to starting it with you all.


23. BrettR
June 26, 2008
11:04 AM

I’m in.

I have never read Edwards and I have a feeling that I’m going to have to buy another bookshelf after we are through.


24. Ron Reffett
June 26, 2008
11:08 AM

I would definitely like to take the challenge with you Tim!
It’s always good to tackle a massive work like this with other folks, looking forward to it!
Ron Reffett


25. Eddy
June 26, 2008
11:11 AM

I’m in.


26. Stephen Jones
June 26, 2008
11:40 AM

Sounds great. Looking forward to it.


27. FreedbyJC
June 26, 2008
11:59 AM

I’m in!


28. Jeremiah Fyffe
June 26, 2008
12:09 PM

I can’t wait!!!! Great choice. It’s always good to challenge people.


29. Mrs. J.D.Darr
June 26, 2008
12:21 PM

Yea! I’m in too! :)


30. Eugene
June 26, 2008
12:27 PM

I’m in. Read it in high school, but I’m not sure if I finished.


31. walt
June 26, 2008
12:37 PM

i’m in. sounds like a good time.


32. James Shin
June 26, 2008
1:20 PM

I’m in. Will secure a copy asap.


33. Tom
June 26, 2008
2:24 PM

Count me in!


34. Chelsey
June 26, 2008
2:48 PM

I’m in - can’t wait!


35. Q
June 26, 2008
3:47 PM

You can count me in too! Thanks for the challenge to read these great works…


36. Scott Murray
June 26, 2008
4:44 PM

I’ve only recently subscribed to your blog Tim. I came in too late on your last “reading classics together” session, so I’m eager to engage in this one. I’ve wanted to attempt a go at Edwards in the past, but have been a bit too intimidated. This will be great having you and this community of believers to help me wade through the supposedly deep waters of Edwards’ classic work. Can’t wait to get started!


37. Paul
June 26, 2008
5:23 PM

Count me in! My son has gone through a couple of books with you. We’re both looking forward to tackling Edwards together.


38. inge
June 26, 2008
6:18 PM

i am new to this site but count me in!! am looking forward to reading such a book with others.


39. Laurie
June 26, 2008
6:42 PM

I’ve got a 1959 Yale copy sitting on my nightstand right now just waiting for the right moment to start reading it. I guess this is it. Count me in.

Due to my vacation, I missed the discussion of last two chapters of the Seven Sayings, by Pink. But I really enjoyed the part I was able to participate in.


40. Ford Mosby
June 26, 2008
8:09 PM

I’m in. Looking forward to it.


41. Jeffrey
June 26, 2008
8:17 PM

In!


42. Linda Rios
June 26, 2008
8:48 PM

Greetings from Freeport, IL.

I am new to your website and have enjoyed reading your bookreviews and such these past few weeks. I recently purchased your book, “The Discipline of Spiritual Discernment” and am enjoying in very much and finding it helpful. My husband wants to read it next.
I would like to join in on reading classics with you, so I am going to purchase “Religious Affections” by Johathon Edwards. Thanks!

Grace!
Linda Rios


43. Stephen Dawe
June 26, 2008
11:50 PM

oddly enough, we’re beginning a breakfast discussion group on “The Religious Affections” tomorrow morning here in Newfoundland.

I’m in (though I’ll already have read much of it by your start date)


44. Corey
June 26, 2008
11:57 PM

I’m in!


45. don gale
June 27, 2008
12:11 AM

You had me at “To this point the…”

I just finished reading Signs of the Spirit (Storms) and was planning on reading this soon anyway…so this is perfect…

You’re by far my favorite Canadian blogger.


46. Joseph Grigoletti
June 27, 2008
12:51 AM

also remember that you can read it in the Banner of Truth Edition (2 vol set), or the Hendrickson edition, The “offical” yale edition, plus the audio download.


47. francisco
June 27, 2008
1:19 AM

Does any of you know whether “Religious Affections” has been printed out in a language other than English? Specifically Spanish? Thanks!


48. Rita Martinez
June 27, 2008
2:12 AM

I’d definitely like to join this time!


49. Arthur Chivinge
June 27, 2008
3:42 AM

I’m definitely joining. Its sounds great.


50. Graham Hind
June 27, 2008
5:48 AM

I’ll be reading with you, really looking forward to it. Hope I can keep up, the internet is a bit dodgy in this part of Zambia!


51. Diane Lytle
June 27, 2008
7:21 AM

What an excellent choice, Tim! I bought a copy after reading Sam Storm’s Signs of the Spirit. I can hardly wait to begin…count me in.


52. Matthew Cochrane
June 27, 2008
7:24 AM

I had previously read the other books you’ve gone through, but have not yet read this one. I am looking forward to reading some Edwards with you.


53. David Porter
June 27, 2008
8:47 AM

Tim,
I am in.

I visited Amazon and they have several versions of this book. I was a little confused as some of the versions were over 300 pages and some were 270 or something. I didn’t see that any of them were abridged versions.

The banner of truth version that you linked too, said that it was 2-4 weeks for delivery.

Is the difference in the number of pages in these books simply a matter of typesetting?


54. Marny
June 27, 2008
8:53 AM

Count me in!


55. David Walker
June 27, 2008
9:14 AM

Count me in! One of our church history professors in seminary made this required reading, but he wasn’t my professor…so I’ve never read the book. Looking forward to it.


56. Tim Challies
June 27, 2008
9:42 AM

Is the difference in the number of pages in these books simply a matter of typesetting?

I would imagine so, yes. I tried comparing a couple and though the page numbers were different the content was the same. But I can’t guarantee it…

You could always buy direct from Banner of Truth.


57. Glenn Fiedler
June 27, 2008
11:34 AM

I am definitely Interested!!


58. Colin
June 27, 2008
11:40 AM

Great idea, Tim. I’m in.


59. Michael Sapp
June 27, 2008
12:03 PM

I’m with this one.
If you subscribe to CCEL, you can donate $2.95 which is well worth it.


60. Mike K
June 27, 2008
12:36 PM

Tim, count me in as well.


61. Mike S
June 27, 2008
12:54 PM

I’m in, I read it 4-5 years ago, and it was life changing, as it addressed the questions I had concerning assurance. This book settled the matter for me. I was about to read “The Freedom of the Will” though, so I might drop out to read that one instead.


62. Mark
June 27, 2008
1:14 PM

I had to drop out of the last one. I plan on reading this with you guys.
You can also read Sam Storms’ Signs of the Spirit, which is a modern interpretation of Jonathan Edwards’ Religious Affections along with it. It might even help you understand it better.


63. Daron Medway
June 27, 2008
1:16 PM

You can’t listen to Piper et al for long without wanting to read Edwards. I happen to have bought this book a week ago after downloading it for free and struggling to read it on printed A4! I now have the rather severe looking Banner of Truth paperback to enjoy. Would love to be involved. A timely book considering the Lakeland Phenomenon. Also, it’s worth noting that Religious Affections is available in mp3 format from ChristianAudio.


64. Brad Arthur
June 27, 2008
2:15 PM

I am thankful for a son (#18) who has encourged me to participate in this reading/discussion venture. I am looking forward to doing so, and praying that I will not be distracted from being disciplined to read/meditate/pray, by God’s grace, and with the Spirit’s help to really understand what Edwards is writing.


65. Ford Mosby
June 27, 2008
2:49 PM

I also tried to order from Amazon and was told of the 2 week delay. Went straight to Banner of Truth and they had a discounted price. The discount enticed me to order 3 day delivery and it was about the same as the Amazon price.


66. Douglas K. Adu-Boahen
June 27, 2008
3:31 PM

It would be a privilege to sign up for this book. Loved reading Pink’s Seven Words from the Cross, and now we get to read Religious Affections - a book by a young man, and now at 17, I get to read it. Should be fun…


67. Thomas Sullivan
June 27, 2008
6:18 PM

Excellent choice again. This is another book I have narrated if someone wants a free audio version -
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11304223613

OR listen to the narration by Simon Vance at www.christianaudio.com.

The following comments I have left on the narration will be useful here…. also a warning…

While narrating the bio of Edwards for Sermon Audio, I came across this statement about this Treatise which really is amazing by our present standards and convictions. The quote is from Sereno Dwight, Edwards’ biographer. “It is also said that many persons cannot understand the treatise; {On the Religious Affections} and the answer is, that he who is too young to understand it in its substance, is too young to make a profession of religion; and he whose mind is too feeble to receive it substantially, when communicated by a kind and faithful pastor, cannot understandingly make such a profession.”

Alexander V G Allen, Life of Edwards, 231 - “It has been said that any one who can read Edward’s Religious Affections, and still believe in his conversion, may well have the highest assurance of its reality. But how few there were in Edwards’ time who gained the assurance may be inferred from the circumstance that Samuel Hopkins and Nathaniel Emmons, disciples of Edwards and religious leaders in New England, remained to the last uncertain of their conversion.” He can attribute this only to the semi-deistic spirit of the time, with its distant God and imperfect apprehension of the omnipotence and omnipresence of Christ. Quoted in A H Strong’s Systematic Theology, p 846 John Wesley had little patience with this work, but reformed theologians and pastors, such as Edward Payson prized it greatly.


68. Thomas Sullivan
June 27, 2008
6:21 PM

Francisco, for the Spanish version go here.

http://www.farodegracia.org/

Dios Te Bendiga mi hermano

Thomas en Michigan


69. Jeri
June 27, 2008
6:25 PM

I’m going to try to keep up! Like Laurie, I fell behind during vacation and then children’s camp, but I am savoring the last chapter of The Seven Sayings. I do look forward to it.


70. Craig
June 27, 2008
9:12 PM

My wife and I are in.


71. Tim K
June 27, 2008
10:24 PM

I’m in on this one. I’ve just taken an assignment in Singapore for a year and being part of this will be good for me. Looking forward to it!


72. roger
June 28, 2008
7:44 AM

i’ve always wanted to read this, but was too scared to do it alone! i’m in.


73. Amanda
June 28, 2008
6:17 PM

I’m also in (ordered the book yesterday).


74. Tyler G
June 28, 2008
9:03 PM

Ok… Ok, I’m in. New to the reformed blogosphere - going to try to pull my weight!


75. Ted Hoffman
June 28, 2008
11:40 PM

Hi, Tim. I’m too cheap to buy the book. However, I’ve got the full TREATISE, without any editorial comments, from the two-volume set I have of “The Works of Jonathan Edwards” published by Hendrickson Publishers. Do you think I’ll be able to follow along with you using this version? Thanks for your help!


76. Brandon Cozart
June 29, 2008
10:09 AM

Ted, you will definitely be able to follow. The version found in both the Banner paperback and the Hendrickson (and Banner!) two volume set are the same. They both come from the 1808 Worcester edition of Edwards’s works.

The only difference is that you wouldn’t have to use a magnifying glass with the Banner paperback!


77. Tim Paulsen
June 29, 2008
11:59 AM

Count me in :)


78. Larry Farr
June 29, 2008
5:03 PM

Hi Tim. Thanks for the invitation. I’m eager to participate. I downloaded the PDF from www.ccel.org as you suggested but only the Introduction is included, not the Preface. Not sure if that’s too important but reading the Introduction makes me want to read more. Looking forward to it.


79. Steve Tuggle
June 29, 2008
7:31 PM

Count me in.


80. Ted Hoffman
June 30, 2008
12:34 AM

Thank you, Brandon. That was what I was hoping.

Please count me in, Tim.


81. Tammy G
June 30, 2008
8:05 AM

I’m in.


82. Brian Elswick
June 30, 2008
10:30 AM

sounds like a great re-re-read, count me in!


83. DnCx
June 30, 2008
2:48 PM

I’m intimidated, but I’m in.


84. StaffAction
June 30, 2008
4:25 PM

Just bought the book. I’m in.


85. Blake
June 30, 2008
7:27 PM

My wife and I will join this round.


86. Allen S.
June 30, 2008
8:38 PM

Looking forward to starting with all of you on what looks to be a great read!


87. Dave Renner
June 30, 2008
11:41 PM

I have discussed the previous readings of the classics with a close group of brothers from my church. I look forward to getting in at the beginning with this one.


88. Sharon Stankunas
July 1, 2008
9:18 AM

I’m both excited and intimidated. I just finished Edward’s biography and read Sam Storm’s “Signs of the Spirit”. The timing is great. Thanks Tim


89. Jean Guth
July 3, 2008
8:45 AM

Count me in! I’m looking forward to this
Jean


90. Catherine
July 3, 2008
8:07 PM

I’m going to buy this book, even if I start with the download first. I have to say that I’m a pink highlighter gal myself. When that’s not enough, then I write in the margins. Sometimes I go back and look at books I’ve marked up, and find that I need to write more, or reference a different scriptural passage than the one I began with. It looks like I may have to buy a new highlighter, it’s going to be a long one!
I’m enjoying your book Tim. Very well written and informational, especially for these times within the Church. Thanks!


91. TulipGirl
July 3, 2008
9:42 PM

Recently read some interesting thoughts on Edwards:

Quote: “When I expressed to a friend not too long ago that I was reading Jonathan Edwards’ treatise On the Religious Affections (yes, I’m still plodding through), he quipped, “So are you unsaved yet?”

If you have read Edwards, or one of his disciples such as John Piper, you will understand my friend’s comment. There is a sad truth to this: a deep contemplation of Edwards (or of his disciples) can have the tendency to unseat one’s confidence and assurance of his relationship with God.

Read the rest here.


92. Nick Hill
July 3, 2008
10:36 PM

I think that I will join you on this one.


93. jean guth
July 4, 2008
7:42 PM


I think I missed the first “lesson”…
is it possible to get the it? perhaps some one can forward it to me… thanks.


94. Jean Guth
July 4, 2008
7:45 PM

OOps! my mistake! July 17th is the first lesson.
Jean


95. Thomas Sullivan
July 6, 2008
6:25 AM

TulipGirl thanks for the link:

This is an interesting response “When I expressed to a friend not too long ago that I was reading Jonathan Edwards’ treatise On the Religious Affections (yes, I’m still plodding through), he quipped, “So are you unsaved yet?”

There are a handful of places in this treatise that are the most discomforting, but difficult to apply. I was listening the other day to Vance’s narration of this book and was really being edified and crying out “amen.” Then he began the 12th positive sign, “XII. Gracious and holy affections have their exercise and fruit in Christian practice.”

It is the “sins of omission” details that unsaint us. We all feel weighed in the balance and wanting. If anyone has the edition with the footnotes, the sermon quoted from Solomon Stoddard can really un-nerve you. (Way to Know Sincerity and Hypocrisy).

But we should take comfort in the fact that the best of men were searched by this treatise and came out the better for it. I am studying the life of Asahel Nettleton for an upcoming Sunday School. He went through a time of serious introspection with this book in hand, as well as Edward Payson. But though both men had doubts, they were both very godly Christian pastors from the beginning of the 19th century.


96. Joan
July 7, 2008
3:07 PM

I’m looking forward to reading and discussing this. I have downloaded the ccel version as well have a Classics of Faith and Devotion copy edited by Dr. James M. Houston.

Thanks Tim


97. Kwame Nyarko
July 7, 2008
5:01 PM

Lord willing, I will study along with all of you.

KAN


98. Scott Kaufman
July 7, 2008
7:33 PM

Edwards’s Religious Affections will be worth the effort. Count me in!


99. Lisa Phillips
July 7, 2008
8:22 PM

I am new participant but have found your reviews and comments extremely valuable. I look forward to studying along with you.


100. William Smith
July 7, 2008
11:07 PM

I look forward to participating in this too.


101. Dave Sugg
July 9, 2008
2:14 PM

Count me in. This is one I have wanted to read, but have not made the time to get it done. This will help move me along.

Dave