"The Discipline of Spiritual Discernment is a truly important work-one that should be required reading not only for church leaders, but for all sober-minded laypeople as well."

John MacArthur (From the Foreword)

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Mark Dever

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02/24/07
Comments (42)

Reaching Out

As I reach the end of the assigned writing period for my book (my official deadline is April 1) I am increasingly aware that writing a book, though in many ways a private pursuit, is also a pursuit that depends on an increasingly wide group of others. I have had to open the book to more and more people, seeking feedback, suggestions and so on. I’ve even turned to the readers of this site a few times and intend to do that again today.

First off, I have to begin thinking about finding people who might be willing to endorse the book. The process works something like this:

  • I am now ready to begin asking people if they would be willing to consider endorsing the book.
  • After I have finished writing the book but before it has been edited I will actually send the manuscript to those who are willing to read it.
  • Those people will read it and, if they feel so inclined, will write an endorsement.

It’s that simple. Now I know that people are busy and am aware that some who say they will endorse it will no doubt have it fall off their list of priorities. As per my publisher’s wishes, I need to find at least five people who will endorse it.

Endorsements serve to give a book credibility on at least two levels. First, there are the words of the endorsement. These provide a quick word of praise for the book so that a person who pulls the book from the shelf can get some idea of what others think of it. Second, there are the names of the people who provide the endorsement. A potential reader will be more likely to read a book endorsed by a person he respects than a book that is endorsed by someone he does not respect or that is not endorsed at all. Or so the thinking goes.

The general strategy with endorsements is to determine what type of person would benefit from reading the book and then to gain an endorsement from someone who will appeal to that audience. So if I wanted to get my book in the hands of middle-aged Southern Baptist women, I would ask Beth Moore for an endorsement. If I wanted to put it in the hands of atheists, I’d ask Richard Dawkins and for cyclists I’d ask Lance Armstrong. And so on.

I have been attempting to identify the most natural audience for this book and have then been attempting to think of people who would best reach that audience and who has the highest profile within that audience.

So here I appeal to you. If you can think of an audience that would or should read the book and a person whose endorsement may be useful in promoting the book’s usefulness to that audience, I would love to hear your suggestions.

Additionally, as I wrap the book up, I would be interested in hearing any questions you may have about discernment that you think the book should answer. I do believe I have covered many different angles and also know that I cannot answer every possible answer and address every possible issue. Still, if you do have questions or concerns about discernment, feel free to post them and I’ll see if they would fit the flow of the book.

Thanks in advance!

Reaching Out

Comments (42) »


1. Tim Raymond
February 24, 2007
1:51 PM

Tim,

I’m a young(ish) reformed guy, so the endorsements I’d recommend are ones you’ve probably already thought of: the TFG guys, John Piper, MacArthur (who talks about discernment a lot), etc. If you could get Mark Driscoll, he would be very helpful. He’s young and hip and young and hip people are often those who need discernment the most. Josh Harris may even be better since he’s less controvertial. Alistair Begg would also been great, since he has a broader influence than many. Just some ideas.

Tim


2. Ben
February 24, 2007
2:08 PM

Tim,

I agree that a good strategy would be to get the lead guys for the various conferences you live blog for… Dr. Dever, Dr. Piper, Dr. Begg, C.J. Mahaney, and Dr. MacArthur. Mark Driscoll would be a great choice too. Steve Lawson, Dr. Mohler, and Lig Duncan might be other good possibilities. Looking forward to the book!


3. Brian @ voiceofthesheep
February 24, 2007
2:33 PM

I think the general thinking, as displayed by the previous posts here, is the wrong way to be looking at the type of endorsements you may want to have in order for the book to have the most impact.

Generally speaking - and I do mean generally - I would expect those who follow and respect and listen to the likes of Piper, MacArthur, Dever, Mahaney, etc. to have a fairly decent ability and gift of discernment. So, why would you necessarily want to target that group of professing Christians? Is that really the group to have read the book that would allow the book to have the most impact?

Instead, I would suggest that you pursue endorsements from those leaders and influential persons whose followers do not usually exhibit biblical discernment. If you could get that group of professing Christians to read your book, I would think that would give the book its greatest chance of doing the most good.

The only problem you face with this philosophy is getting those leaders such as Benny Hinn, John Eldridge, T.D. Jakes, Crefo Dollar, John Hagee, Rick Warren, etc. to actually read the book in order to get an endorsement. BUT…if you could get those types of leaders to endorse this book, I think it has a better chance of really making a difference, rather than just having the choir read it.

This is not to say the book can’t and won’t have a godly impact on the other group…I for one, plan to read it and I pray God uses it to strengthen my discernment…but, if you could somehow get that other group to read it…and endorsements by those individuals whom they listen to and respect would be a great step in doing that. Hey, I didn’t say my idea would be realistic!

I do have a question as well: Can one have discernment and not be spoken to by God outside of the Bible in ways that tell him or her what to do and which decisions to make? I sure hope so, because God - so far - has only spoken to me through his Word. I didn’t know if that subject was going to be covered or not in your book.

Eagerly awaiting my manuscript copy!!!


4. Jessica L.
February 24, 2007
2:43 PM

Tim, (now that I’ve met you - albeit briefly - I don’t feel weird commenting on your blog)
The group that often needs discernment the most is young people - college and young adults in their early twenties. While it would be fabulous if you got the endorsement of all the T4G people, you can try to spread it to a broader audience. Oh, but do try to get C.J. Mahaney! His short but packed books have influenced many. Rick Holland is well known among college students for his sermons on relationships, Jerry Bridges is well known among all age groups for “The discipline of Grace” and also is a staff member with a college ministry, and I would also suggest that you find a leader of a campus crusade for Christ or Intervarsity to endorse the book.
I would agree with a previous commentator on young and hip people needing discernment - but I don’t know if the right person is Mark Driscoll (given your comments on his book, Confessions of a Reformission Ref). Maybe someone like Mark Driscoll but less controversial.


5. Greg
February 24, 2007
3:00 PM

I second that on Rick Holland. He is very popular among reformed college students. I would also try to get Phil Johnson to endorse it. That’s how I found out about this blog. He must have high respect for you. I guess you already know this but you can find his blog by typing in “pyromaniacs, phil johnson” on google…. anyway, good luck!


6. rosemary
February 24, 2007
3:47 PM

There is a widespread lack of discernment in the area of counseling, especially in reference to dealing with sexual issues. If I remember correctly, you address that in the book. If not, add it if it’s not too late. Sexual sin is rampant in the church, and it’s not being dealt with effectively overall.


7. ryan
February 24, 2007
4:33 PM

First I think Driscoll would be the perfect choice. He is not really that controversial. After all Piper had him endorse his latest book. He also has appeal and name recognition to some of the younger crowd that you are not going to get with a T4G guy.

I work in a seminary bookstore and sometimes when people see your typical reformed all-star lineup on the back of a book cover the put it right down. Now when it comes to a guy like Driscoll, Kimball, Keller people pick it up and decide it may be worth the read. Truth is that even if these guys are controversial people still want to know what they are reading. I would take the new edition of the Stott’s book “Cross of Christ” that came out about six months ago, it has Tony Jones endorsing it. Try and branch out a little bit, but Creflo, and Jakes may be a bit too far. As someone who is in seminary and sees the books that students and local pastors are buying I think Keller, Kimball, or Driscoll would be your best bets.


8. KathyS
February 24, 2007
4:43 PM

How about Josh Harris? He’s got a wide audience among twenty-somethings.


9. Matt B
February 24, 2007
5:11 PM

I agree with Kathy S. Joshua Harris is an excellent and logical choice. He’s well known among teens and young adults. I even heard him once joke at a conference hosted by Mark Driscoll that he was surprised to be invited because his primary demographic communicated to in his books are thirteen year old girls. That would be an interesting segment to reach with your book. Harris has wisdom beyond his years and more people are becoming familiar with him since he took over C.J. Mahaney’s church. He’s based in the east coast and would be a good choice if you were to have Mark Driscoll (west coast) endorse the book. Piper is probably the most well known and respected of the Reformed camp and I certainly open more books with his endorsement on the back.


10. Josh Rives
February 24, 2007
6:10 PM

I can think of two here in Dallas that would be good and have some notoriety. Tommy Nelson (Denton Bible Church) and Matt Chandler (The Village). Both of them may not be as well known as Driscoll, Piper, etc but I’m just trying not to duplicate the above suggestions.

You might want to consider some seminary professors, since I usually respect that endorsement.

Perhaps a few people who run popular Christian websites like yourself. Or maybe pastors of churches in college towns. It seems that this book could take off amongst college students.

Maybe seek out some big names in the Christian Camp genre, such as Joe White of Kanakuk

Or (to add some humor) just fake some references from the likes of Calvin, Spurgeon, maybe the Apostle Paul


11. Jeri
February 24, 2007
6:41 PM

Tim, I’m going to ramble some thoughts along here…the people that I dream of reading your book and having a light bulb click on over their head (powered by the Spirit, of course!) are the people I’ve gone to churches with all my life who don’t even know there is such a pressing need (for discernment.) A grass roots effort from your readers and others who learn about your book may help to get it into those hands. Southern Baptist pastors are probably a good target audience, maybe an Al Mohler endorsement would be good. I don’t think an endorsement from someone who doesn’t necessarily show the best discernment him or herself is the best idea. (Brian, surely you were joking!!??) It seems to me that getting pastors and other leaders, including lay leaders, interested in it is a good idea.

An endorsement from John Piper would probably be excellent. As you said yourself the other day, he has won recognition and respect far and wide in the church.

Dan Kimball does seem like a good idea, too…he seems pretty sound biblically. A lot of seeker type churches seem to be gravitating toward emergent. And Mark Driscoll, as well. And I agree that Josh Harris is known outside of reformed circles.

John MacArthur seems to be becoming more widely known in the church. That might be excellent.

What about Josh McDowell…Kay Arthur? Randy Alcorn’s name is familiar in a lot of churches because of his Treasure Principle book.

And of course I’m sure it goes without saying that you’re getting an endorsement from J.I. Packer!

That’s all of my initial ramblings. How exciting to be close to this point! Well one more ramble…what about some musician types ? Keith Getty. What about the President of the United States, you know, the guy you had your picture taken with at WorshipGod06!!?? :) Ok I’m being silly now.


12. AWHall
February 24, 2007
7:30 PM

I wondered about a couple of bloggers: Justin Taylor or what about someone like Steve McCoy?


13. Jacob Hantla
February 24, 2007
8:08 PM

I’ll do it. :-)

I like what I’ve read. I think that a good set of endorsers from different groups would be good:

-Mark Driscoll -CJ Mahaney -John Piper -Al Mohler -John MacArthur -J Ligon Duncan -Mark Dever

Then I wonder if you could get some people that might not be the usual suspects and outside the fold of the normal people who read your blog: -Dr. Dobson -Richard Mouw etc

And like I said if you have a hard time getting any of them to do it, send me a copy, I’ll write you a quick blurb


14. Stephen Newell
February 24, 2007
8:14 PM

I am in agreement that us young 20- and 30-somethings are the group with the greatest need to learn discernment. I’d take that even further back and say teenagers as well, but I don’t know. It doesn’t seem to be your target group from what you have been saying thus far.

I do agree Mark Driscoll and Josh Harris are great choices. In fact, they are probably the best choices right off the bat. An endorsement from John Piper would not be bad, either. Those three are probably good places to start.

As for “target” endorsements? I really don’t know. People like Beth Moore (who seems to place a high value on such a discipline, however unconsciously) would make it clear this is a book for everyone, not just us manly men. But the question is whether or not getting a “popular” author is going to be what you are after.

I wonder if getting someone like Dan Kimball or Scot McKnight would actually be a very great thing. Lord knows folks in the emerging movement (especially Emergent) need this discipline, and those guys seem to place value on discernment as well.

But Tim, in the end I think you’re going to find that most of us out here who read your blog, especially regularly, will trust your judgment on who to ask. We’ll probably even encourage you with whoever you decide to ask. In fact, we (bloggers) will probably give it the best endorsement of all: word of mouth. So I guess we all are going to pray for the endorsements and trust that God will lead you in the proper direction.


15. Kyle
February 24, 2007
8:36 PM

If the idea is to go for wider appeal, what about a guy like Max Lucado?


16. Alex Bohn
February 24, 2007
8:47 PM

Hello I am just a young reformed christian doing some reading, I like the blog, intresting post….. check out mine if you get a chance www.soladeogloria.faithweb.com

Grace and Peace to you all, Alex


17. Ken
February 24, 2007
9:39 PM

voddie bochum


18. Michael James
February 24, 2007
10:57 PM

Driscoll Bridges Grudem Mahaney Piper


19. Tom Haddox
February 25, 2007
7:08 AM

I have sort of been lurking on your website for some time now; and have been looking with great anticipation for your book to come out. Being from the conservative “churches of Christ” background, I have one name that I would suggest as a possible person to approach for an endorsement … Max Lucado. He is a very popular writer who used to be a mainstream writer within our movement; but who now is a mainstream writer among a much larger audience. I, of course, don’t know if he will give an endorsement, but it is worth asking. (I would love to read and give an endorsement … but it would not probably carry much weight.) Good luck and may God bless your efforts to teach about the very needed attribute of discernment.


20. Debbie Doyle
February 25, 2007
8:08 AM

Since you’re a Cdn, have you considered J I Packer (out in Vancouver). Or how about the journalist Michael Coren?


21. chuck
February 25, 2007
9:11 AM

Jerry Bridges Wayne Mack The Tripps Tom Ascol Grudem David Powlinson

I’ll read it, but I don’t think my endorsement means much.


22. james
February 25, 2007
9:47 AM

Tim, Agree with much of the above (young people definitely). What came to my mind specifically were those guys and gals in colleges, whether secular or christian, wrestling to integrate faith and higher learning in a way that is thoroughly and faithfully Christian. From my expereience, discernment is clutch day in and day out in those contexts. My suggestion: you might consider going after a Duane Litfin of Wheaton College, as one college president example.


23. Ren
February 25, 2007
11:50 AM

I think you should only ask people that you truly respect. Yes, the people who follow Rick Warren should read your book, but any book endorsed by Rick Warren I would never buy. How could I trust the content of any book endorsed by him? That’s where discernment starts. :) (For me anyway)


24. james
February 25, 2007
2:11 PM

Ren makes a discerning point.


25. Brian @ voiceofthesheep
February 25, 2007
3:10 PM

Ren,

I think you missed my point of suggesting an endorsement such as Rick Warren. The point would be to get those who follow Warren to read the book…not someone like yourself who already has discernment (as evidenced by the fact that you wouldn’t read something endorsed by him).

If Tim could somehow get the droves of churches and followers of the likes of Warren (and others like him) to read his book on discernment, then perhaps God could use it to open their eyes and give them some of the discernment that you already possess.

That was my point by suggesting people like Warren. It’s not realistic, I know. But it would be neat if Tim could somehow get them to read it too, and not just us (the choir).


26. C.H.H.
February 25, 2007
3:34 PM

I’ll bet you could get J.I. Packer to endorse it. He’ll endorse anything, and since he apparantly only reads the first page of anything he writes a blurb for, your turnaround time would be really fast.


27. carissa
February 25, 2007
3:56 PM

i haven’t read your book and so i really can’t say whom it would appeal to stylistically. i think discernment is important for everybody though, especially american christians, and i don’t necessarily think that we reformers are quite exempt from that need just yet. however on a general level that would apply to any book with good theology, i would love to see endorsements from a diverse group of respected leaders, as has been suggested. a piper next to an alcorn next to a driscoll next to, dareisay, a warren (or somebody like that). that’s assuming you can get a wide variety of denominations/affiliations to agree with what you said and endorse it, but if it’s biblical i don’t see why they wouldn’t. i hope american christianity isn’t THAT divided. :] good luck, anyway.


28. francisco
February 25, 2007
4:24 PM

All names being said, why don’t you go for Lee Strobel? Now, why? Because he is neither John Piper nor Rick Warren, you can target a large crowd of young believers (college students mainly) who need discernment desperately!

p.s. I’ve only read “The Case for Christ” and I agreed very much with your review of his book.


29. James
February 25, 2007
4:28 PM

Tim,

This place really does put the FUN INTO FUNDAMENTALISM !

I would say you need to get your current draft into as many knowledgable hands as possible. Even people who might know people.

Just because you get an endorsement from a person, does not mean you or your publisher has to use them.

I look forward to seeing what you have to say on the subject.

Good luck…(i.e. I hope something fortunate happens to your work).

Grace and peace,


30. Hooser
February 25, 2007
8:06 PM

A couple notes…

I saw the discussion about whether or not someone who exercises discernment already should review it or someone who needs discernment. It seems to me that if you get someone who has exercised great discernment, their endorsement would carry more weight. I suppose it depends on what sort of blurb you are looking for. If you are looking for a “Tim Challies hits the nail on the head” sort of comment, then get someone who has the credibility to say that. If you want a “Tim Challies gave me much food for thought” then you could pretty much get anyone from fellow bloggers, to mega-church leaders.

My long-shot or off the wall choices would be: - Archbishop Paul Akinola (of the Church of Nigera and outspoken critic of the appoinment of the gay bishop Gene Robinson) - Tony Dungy (of Colts fame) - Bono - The Pope - and Dan Brown (just kidding)


31. Bibliomaniac
February 25, 2007
8:37 PM

I know you’re not going to want to read this, which will go a bit against the advice of your publisher. As one who has worked in Christian publishing for 24 years now and who has been privy to studies done on the power of endorsements…don’t put a lot of weight in what they might be able to do for your book. A very, very marginal number of people make their final decision to buy based on an endorsement. One of the largest Christian publishers in the country did a serious study and found (gasp) virtually no difference in sales on account of endorsements. And I’ve seen PLENTY of books through the years with a stellar endorsement on the front cover do NOTHING to help keep the book in print more than six months. I’m talking BIG name endorsers—the biggest in the business.

So…get the endorsements you can (they ARE kinda nice to have) but don’t put too much weight into what they can do for you.


32. Brian Auten
February 25, 2007
9:15 PM

Tim -

Again, I’m excited about the upcoming publication of your book. I’m also intrigued by the discussion that this post has generated. It seems like you could almost use it as part of the book itself. Often, book jacket endorsements (blurbs) themselves are a way that Christians short-cut the very discipline that your manuscript is meant to address, explain and (hopefully) instill in the reader.

Naturally, blurbs can be useful given that we all lead busy lives and aren’t able to read through the sheer mountain of books that are published in any given year. However, Ryan’s comment above about how he has witnessed some prospective book buyers look and “put [a book] right down” if someone they consider to be untrustworthy or unsound has given it his/her endorsement, I fear, has become a very common state of affairs. Rather than engage the author and his/her arguments, we often give a quick look at the endorsement list, decide whether the book is “safe” and fits within our comfort zone. A rhetorical question — does the book endorsement actually become a method by which we ignore the discipline of discernment, thereby allowing someone (who, granted, may be older, more intelligent and more wise that we are) to do our discerning for us?

If you get the opportunity, take a look at the recent social networking studies of the readership/purchase of American “political books” (See www.orgnet.com/divided.html). I would imagine that a chart documenting many of us, as evangelical Christian readers, would (unfortunately) look rather similar. Not that I think your book is going to need an “endorsement strategy” — you’d be the first to admit that God is in full control of that — but if you were thinking about endorsements strategically, I wonder if you could find evangelical “cross-over” authors and thinkers (again, see the orgnet stuff for what I mean).

I’ve pontificated enough. Again, Tim, congrats on reaching the manuscript submission stage. I look forward to seeing the book in our church bookstore when it comes out.

Best,

Brian Auten


33. afrikaner
February 25, 2007
9:18 PM

If it hit the streets of Australia with Don Carson endorsement it would be an instant seller - he’s really popular downunder.


34. Andrew Lindsey
February 25, 2007
11:09 PM

Mr. Challies,

I can see what you’re hinting at here, and though I have a ton of reading for classes right now…

…yes, I’ll endorse your book.


35. Andrew Lindsey
February 25, 2007
11:13 PM

(I’m assuming you want to attract the “unknown bloggers” reading audience.)


36. Armen
February 26, 2007
2:08 AM

I would steer clear of Warren, Hinn and the likes. It would be totally rediculous to get such men to ‘endorse’ a book. To do so would even lower the amount of readers of your blog…I for one would lose all respect for you. But thankfully, I really doubt you’ll go that way.

As for a suggestion, if you think it would be good for the youth, how about getting well-known youth pastors to endorse it, as well as one or two senior ones? The youth pastors of large churches will definately make sure the young people of their congregations know about it, you may even be asked to speak to the youth at a ‘book launch’ meeting.


37. DavidR
February 26, 2007
6:36 AM

I wasn’t going to do this, but I changed my mind. :)

If I were in your shoes, I would get this guy. If I could.


38. Veritas
February 26, 2007
7:59 AM

Tim, I initially thought of make it more of a global approach and not just the American flavour of discernment by going for such notables as D.Carson, J.Packer, J.Stott, J. Piper, Goldsworthy and maybe Michael Frost (for the downunder connections). But then I contemplated on who we need most to read the book and came up with the Anonymous prosperity gospel sucker (that’s Australian for the frontal labotomy patient) who was financially blessed a 100 fold just by reading the book!


39. Dan Evans
February 26, 2007
1:36 PM

Tim,

Since discernment is a very important topic in counseling I would suggest some of the counseling organizations that have a high view of scripture with a nouthetic philosophy who avoid an integrated approach. These would include the National Association of Nouthetic Counselors (Dr. Jay Adams or Dr. Wayne Mack would be national names associated with this organization) and the Christian Counseling and Education Foundation out of Philadelphia associated with Westminster Theological Seminary (Drs. David Powlison, James Petty-who has also written on the area of divine guidance, or Ted Tripp would be a few of the more recognized names from that organization). Hope that helps.

Grace and Peace, Dan Evans


40. docharris
February 26, 2007
1:57 PM

Hey,

What about Eric Raymond, the Irish Calvinist I enjoy reading, since you endorsed him? He’s a blogger, you’re a blogger — and he’s a calvinist-dispensationalist which would resonate with many of the college students I teach.

docharris


41. docharris
February 26, 2007
1:58 PM

Hey,

What about Eric Raymond, the Irish Calvinist I enjoy reading, since you endorsed him? He’s a blogger, you’re a blogger — and he’s a calvinist-dispensationalist which would resonate with many of the college students I teach.

docharris


42. Stephen Newell
February 26, 2007
7:20 PM

Ooo, David Powlison would be a stellar endorsement. But like I said, Tim, I think you will find that we (bloggers) will generally trust your judgment and encourage you in whoever you ultimately decide to select.