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Is Emergent the New Christian Left?
- 05/29/06
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Tony Jones, one of the more prominent leaders within the Emergent church movement has recently posted a pair of articles at the “Out of Ur” blog responding to the charge that Emergent is the new Christian left. “[I]s Emergent a new camp for Christian liberalism? In this post Tony Jones, the national coordinator for Emergent, responds to critics by championing Emergent’s conversational purpose and celebrating the group’s diversity.”
There are three things that struck me in these articles. First, these two articles highlight some of the ways in which any meaningful discussion with the Emergent leaders is little more than an exercise in frustration and futility. Second, they also highlight just how far some leaders within the Emergent conversation have gone in abandoning truth. And third, they highlight the mixed-messages sent out from the leadership of this conversation.
Like many participants in this Emergent “conversation,” Jones feigns surprise and ignorance at the outcry against the Emergent church. He presents this movement as a simple, innocuous friendship, for who could possibly criticize a friendship? Here is how Jones describes Emergent Village: “And some of those blogs are deeply critical of Emergent Village, a decade-old friendship that has, after my family, become home to my most important relationships.” Further along in the same article he describes the people who inhabit this harmless village. “Within Emergent are Texas Baptists who don’t allow women to preach and New England lesbian Episcopal priests. We have Southern California YWAMers and Midwest Lutherans. We have those who hold to biblical inerrancy, and others trying to demythologize the scripture. We have environmental, peacenik lefties, ‘crunchy cons,’ and right wing hawks.”
Surely those who are leery of the Emergent church would not waste so much effort discussing what this movement is accomplishing if it were nothing more than a decade-old friendship. And surely Jones and others would not bother to participate in such a conversation if they felt that it had no hope of accomplishing anything. Jones presents something in harmless terms that, in reality, has the potential to bring about a great change within the church. Thus it is ridiculous to feign surprise that people react in alarm to such a movement.
What continues to surprised Jones is “how dangerous some people consider this friendship I’m in to be. If you take some of these blogs (and books) seriously, those of us who make up the Emergent Village are a great threat to the Christian church-we have undermined doctrine, truth, and church life. The fact that we’re discussing theological items that have been previously deemed ‘undiscussable’ is considered grounds for labels like ‘heretic’ and ‘apostate.’” That is a ridiculous and irrational statement. The fact that this Emergent conversation discusses doctrine and theology that has long been considered heretical or apostate is surely not grounds to label those who discuss it with those terms. After all, every seminary student discusses heresy and apostasy and learns both true doctrine and false. The true objection, or the most common objection, against the Emergent church is that these doctrines, long-since deemed heretical, are often given equal footing and are discussed as if they had never been deemed harmful in the past—as if the church had never formulated a biblical consensus as to where these doctrines deviate from Scripture. We can see the fruit of this in the very fact that the conversation includes people whose beliefs are, in theory at least, diametrically opposed to each other (ie. “Texas Baptists who don’t allow women to preach and New England lesbian Episcopal priests”). There is nothing that is undiscussable, but there are doctrines that are clear and settled and do not merit being placed on equal footing which what Scripture clearly presents as true.
Jones eventually stoops just about as low as one can go in an argument, arguing that those who disagree with the Emergent church simply misunderstand it. “Honestly, I care little about these critiques. They come from those who either have no idea what Emergent is all about and/or could not possibly be persuaded from their position anyway.” Even though some world-class scholars and committed Christians have expressed concern about the Emergent church, Jones simply states that these people either do not understand Emergent or are hardened in their ignorance.
In the second article, Jones turns his attention in particular to Chuck Colson who has become a vocal critic of the Emergent church (of course it is difficult to know if it is Chuck Colson or Anne Morse, his writer, who is truly most concerned). Colson’s latest missive against Emergent says that “truth is truth”—something Jones says is a “‘self-referential argument,’ or a ‘circular reference’ and it’s non-sensical.” He also turns his guns on the phrase “true truth” (a term most often associated with Francis Schaeffer). And this is where Jones’ argument gets very interesting and he reveals just how far he has slipped into the postmodern mindset.
But if I can try to surmise Colson’s meaning from the subtitle of the essay [Jesus is the Truth Whether We Experience Him or Not], he means to indicate that we in the emerging church have placed too much weight on “relational” or “experiential” theories of truth. The gospel is true, Colson seems to be saying, regardless of your human experience of that truth.But philosophically, the obvious follow-up question is, Why? What makes the gospel true, especially if those of us in the world have no experience of its truthfulness? Is it true because Chuck Colson says so? Because Augustine said so? Because Paul said so? Is it true because, as Karl Barth might say, God’s revelatory action that breaks into our space-time continuum? But isn’t even that subject to our interpretation of the event?
Jones then states his agreement with “postmodernist extraordinaire” Stanley Fish “argues that truth comes to be known in and among and on the basis of ‘the authority of interpretive communities.’” Jones goes on to say, “We are subjective human beings, trapped in our own skins and inevitably influenced by the communities in which we find ourselves. And isn’t this what the church is, or at least should be: an authoritative community of interpretation? Indeed, isn’t this just what Colson did when he converted to Christianity in prison many years ago: placed himself under the authority of the church of Jesus Christ?”
He concludes as follows:
What I was trying to get at in my blog post earlier this week is that Emergent Village endeavors to be a catalyst of conversation, community, and, ultimately, interpretation. We want the church to reclaim its place as the authoritative community of interpretation of scripture, culture, and human existence. We want Christians to be engaged politically and culturally, and we want to provoke robust and respectful dialogue around issues that matter. Many of us think that the polemical nature of the church today precludes just this kind of necessary conversation. So, we’re going ahead and doing it, with or without the imprimatur of evangelical elites like Colson and Carson.If that’s a compelling vision for you, then jump on board, we’re glad to have you. If, however, you’d like to first see our doctrinal statement on penal substitution or read a position paper on homosexuality, then Emergent Village isn’t for you.
Jones has taken the Emergent church from being a mere conversation between friends to “a catalyst of conversation, community, and, ultimately, interpretation.” Can he still feign surprise when Christians express concern that such a varied group of people, many of whom reject the authority of Scripture and other fundamental doctrines, intend to be a catalyst of conversation, community and interpretation?
Jones clearly struggles with the concept of truth. What makes the gospel true is not experience of those who hold to it. It is not because Augustine or Paul says so. It is true because God says so. The gospel is true because God tells us it is true. God, the source of truth, God who is truth, tells us that the gospel is true. We need no other authority to tell us this and to assure us of this. If God is who He says He is, the gospel must be true. An argument about truth is, in reality, argument about the very nature and character of God. Jones and other Emergent leaders are treading on some very dangerous ground when they begin to question or abandon or relativize truth.
Here are the articles I have referenced:

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Comments (61)
JCA,
I think you’re assessment of me is correct. I like your picture of a ‘Reformational Worldview.’ I appreciate that honest appraisal.
Post-Modernity is still in it’s infantcy. I don’t know what it will produce. But I do know it exists, and attempts to ‘convert’ people from a Post Modern worldview to a Reformational worldview have largely failed.
I think what the Emerging Church (not necessarily Emergent) has done really well is reach people with a post-modern worldview. Again, they’ve done some things really badly. If you check out my comments on sites like Emergentno.blgospot.com you’ll see my anger and my failure in communicating what Emerging Churches are about.
Overall, I want to thank those with a Reformational Worldview. It’s your shoulders I’m standing on trying to bring Christ to the next generation. Understand that I’m not going to be able to do this the way you did, but without you we’d be lost.
I think sometimes those in the Emerging Church, myself included, can forget that we owe you a debt of gratitude.
Rob
Question:
Would Christ, or Paul, or Peter tolerate a “conversation” with Emergents, or Open Theists, or Papists???
Hey Tim,Maybe you could design a blog commenting filter for us…
If I get to decide what to believe in the Bible (what is truth), to be intellectualy honest I would also have to let others believe what they want to believe. Both emerging and emergent would include a diverse set of people in this conversation. Conversation is a good label. This gets back to scripture, is the Church service for Christians? Is it the place to equip the saints or is this a place to start conversations?
Paul would teach truth/doctrine and then would follow up with action. Church discipline is a practice set in scripture, but most churches don’t practice it these days. I don’t know if the Emerging/Emergent Church excludes any from membership or in fact if they even have membership procedures. They seem to want to study things for several years before coming to a decision, so I am not sure they would ever exclude anyone.
But they are outside the local church as the New Testament describes the local church.
Hi Tim. Thanks for responding to my salvo on outofur. If I may, I thought I’d respond to a couple of your points.
1) I surely don’t think that all criticism of Emergent Village in general, and of individuals in particular is unfounded or unfair. You may notice that I endorsed Scott Smith’s book; I found it fair and well-reasoned. However, I think that D.A. Carson’s book was neither. I think Colson is ill-informed about Emergent and the emerging church. For the record, I consider you one of the well-read and well-informed critics, as I’ve told you in the past.
2) I really don’t “struggle with the concept of truth.” In fact, I agree with your statements that the gospel is truth and that God is truth — even that the gospel is true because God says it is. Where we part company, I suppose, is how a human being can speak authoritatively about that truth. I think it is theologically and philosophically naive to say “truth is truth” or even “truth is truth because God says so.” There are all several hermeneutical steps between God’s revelation of truth and the human articulation of truth. You and I could probably have a long conversation about how we determine the reliability of revelation and how human beings ought to speak of it (and I imagine we would agree on about 90%).
3) No one in Emergent is afraid of “certainty” per se. Personally, I have all sorts of theological convictions that I believe very strongly. Ask someone who’s seen me speak at a pastors conference — I’m actually not very wishy washy! But Emergent Village serves as a community of conversation. I suppose I fall into more of the pragmatist camp of American philosophy, wherein conversation isn’t just to go round and round in circles (as some commentors seem to suggest) but ultimately leads us to moral truth claims. These moral truths may come from “outside” us (e.g., God’s revelation), but they only take root in the lives and communities of human beings via discursive practices (like the back-and-forth on blogs!).
4) My question, I suppose, is whether you consider anyone who is not a T.U.L.I.P. Christian worthy of (true) conversation? The fact that we have many conservatives who are willing to be in true dialogue with progressives is a strength in my book, but that can only happen if the conversation partners are open to the possibility that they might be wrong. Again, that may be where we have an honest difference of opinion.
Well, I guess that’s all for now.
Peace,
Tony
Tony said: My question, I suppose, is whether you consider anyone who is not a T.U.L.I.P. Christian worthy of (true) conversation?The fact that we have many conservatives who are willing to be in true dialogue with progressives is a strength in my book, but that can only happen if the conversation partners are open to the possibility that they might be wrong.
People that are actually born again regenerate believers will instinctively share common beliefs.”He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”John 8:47If truly regenerate people hear (understand) the word of God because they actually have the Spirit of God bearing witness to the truth to their spirit then true believers will hold fast to that truth (such as T.U.L.I.P. doctrine) and will have no need to always question themselves and submit themselves to constant controversy.
Tony said: “You may notice that I endorsed Scott Smith’s book; I found it fair and well-reasoned. However, I think that D.A. Carson’s book was neither”
I have seen that statement on a blog before, but on the blog there was nothing to back up the assertion. So I ask you for a response where you would show why D.A. Carson’s book is not fair or well-reasoned.
caleb,
You took the words right out of my mouth; If Tony is speaking of the book: “Becoming Conversant with the Emerging Church”.
Kenny,
That line of reasoning is a slippery slope to Totalitarianism. It’s a club to beat anyone who has questions. ‘If you don’t believe x then you’re not born again.’ I didn’t see Jesus or Paul use that methodology.
Thanks,
Rob
I strongly believe in 2 Timothy 2:24The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged,
25with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition,if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading tothe knowledge of the truth,
26and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having beenheld captive by him to do his will.
but at some point the following must apply.1 John 5They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them. 6We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
The question that comes to my mind about the emergent church is when are they going to post some of their findings?
They have been around for awhile now - in all the searching, communicating and discussing I would think they would have discovered some benchmark truths by now (understanding that the ultimate truth is unobtainable/unexpressable for them). In the discussions I would think they would be able to weed a few things out and get an idea that maybe some things are more important.
In their discussions have they formed any thoughts on God? Do they have any leanings about attonement? Have they any inklings about an afterlife?
Do we have any high points or low points?
I’ve heard DA Carson speak on the Emergent church and read his book - I found them informative.
How can I enter a conversation where I come in with the assumption I may be wrong (if I don’t understand something fully am I wrong? Can’t I understand something ‘mostly’ and not be wrong and consider myself ‘right’?)- that can’t be good for my self-esteem
I think the point is missed with emergent. There is no theology behind emergent. Some believe in absolute truth and others don’t. For me It is a mindset…… It is saying how can our faith communities emerge in the culture and transform it to the likeness of Christ.
I am a Christ follower who is theologically conservative. I believe in the attoning work of Jesus Christ on the cross and in the inerrancy of Scripture. Part of the emergent conversation is learning that the people of Jesus are not just white American evangelical Christians. It is learning that Christian History is rich with traditions and methods that can help transform the culture.