John 3:16 Conference: Message on Irresistible Grace by Dr. Steve Lemke

Guest blog by Andrew Lindsey

Congregational singing: “Amazing Grace”

Prayer by Ergun Caner.

Dr. Steve Lemke:

It is my desire that we as Southern Baptists can go forward in unity.”
Quote from Nathan Finn that we must be free to hold differing convictions and to attempt to persuade others of our convictions.

Irresistible grace did not originate at Dort, but was made famous by this Synod.

Quote from one of the Remonstrants that the grace of God is absolutely needed in order for a sinner to think, will, or do any good before God; only God can renew our understanding, our thinking and our willing. The Remonstrants utterly rejected the idea that sinners could do anything to contribute to their own salvation; therefore, the Synod of Dort is wrong to label the Arminians either Pelagian or semi-Pelagian.

Having defended the Arminians on this point, it was stressed that none of the speakers at this Conference are Arminians, Pelagians, or semi-Pelagians.

What was it the Remonstrants said that earned them such persecution from the Synod of Dort? One main point of contention was Irresistible grace, which the Remonstrants denied due to the passages in which it is said that people resisted the Holy Spirit.

Why is it that some people do not receive the grace of God? Is it because God did not desire the salvation of all persons, or was it because of something else? The Remonstrants refused to blame God, and placed the blame of rejecting grace squarely upon humanity.

2 senses of “calling” prominent within Calvinist literature:
1. The outward call, which never works
2. The inward call, which is irresistible

There are many different kinds of Calvinists, but there are many Calvinists who do not like the term irresistible grace, but they like to wrap this doctrine in a nice package.

Quotes from Piper and Sproul in which it is asserted that God “drags” people to salvation or overcomes their will, and yet they want to say that God does not force people to choose Him against their wills: Lemke asserted that these are irreconcilable.

Dr. James White quoted, “He can do so without our permission to do so” [referring to God drawing people to Himself].

What does the Bible say about Irresistible grace? “Not a lot” [this met with laughter]. Irresistible grace is not in your concordance. (Though, it is admitted, neither is the Trinity.)

Acts 7:51 and Luke 7:30 quoted to defend the idea that grace may be resisted.

Jesus Matthew 23:37 and Luke 13:24 cited to demonstrate that the tenor of Jesus’ ministry was against the idea of Irresistible grace.

Rich young ruler cited to demonstrate that Jesus believed that something within a person can make it harder for someone to come to Him; if Jesus were a Calvinist, he would have just said that grace was irresistible, and so the wealth did not matter. [As a side note, when mentioning that Jesus did not lower His standards for the rich young ruler, Lemke said: One thing our Calvinist brothers are helping us get a handle on is a regenerate church membership.]


In the parable of the prodigal son, the difference between the sons is that one repented and the other resisted.

In the parable of the vineyard owner and other parables “the key differential” is whether those are willing to respond.

Acts 9 and Paul’s kicking against the goads is taken as evidence that Paul resisted and that the Holy Spirit had been working on him a long time before his salvation.

All means all” as seen in 2 Timothy 3:16 and other texts.

Several “all” Scriptures, and the Scriptures where people ask, “What shall we do to be saved” (at Pentecost, with the Philippian jailer, etc.) are said to disprove the doctrine of Irresistible grace.

Theological concerns about Irresistible grace (these do not pertain to all Calvinists, but to those who are more extreme):

1. Irresistible grace can undermine the doctrine of conversion. The Synod of Dort taught that baptized children would be irresistibly drawn to salvation. Very few Calvinistic Baptists practice infant baptism (there are some), but when Calvinists seek fellowship with Presbyterians over other Baptists and allow those who are infant baptized to become Baptist church members without being Baptized, it is hard for those who are not Calvinists to see the difference.

2. Irresistible grace reverses the biblical order of salvation. (This is the most serious.)
a. Which comes first, regeneration or faith? R.C. Sproul quoted to demonstrate the Reformed view that regeneration precedes faith. Jesus words in John 3 concerning the serpent lifted in the wilderness and those looking to the serpent living, proves that John 5:40: coming to Christ precedes having life. John 11:25, the believing precedes the living. b. Which comes first the Spirit’s regeneration or is regeneration commensurate with justification?
c. What comes first repentance and faith or regeneration? John 20:31, the believing precedes the life [other texts cited].

3. Irresistible grace weakens missions and evangelism
a. Quote from Romans 10
b. Calvin’s distinction between the internal and external call quoted
c. Terrance Thiessen (sp?) a self-described Reformed theologian quoted to say that people in other religions can be saved
d. Irresistible grace leads to a rejection of the well-meant offer of the gospel (Prof. David Engelsma quoted to prove this).

I’m not sure there is such a thing as a living hyper-Calvinist; it’s someone who is more Calvinistic than you are.”

Practical questions:
1. What does it mean that regeneration is logically prior to faith? (Can one be regenerated days before one is saved?)
2. Is it possible to be elect, but not be saved?
3. Does God have a secret will by which He doesn’t really love everyone?

It’s only human nature to think of power and control” as being in control of everything, but God has different ideas than we do. If you our I had power and had people that resisted us, we might smack them. But Jesus humbled Himself and became obedient unto death of the Cross. Let’s recognize God’s maximal sovereignty and God’s maximal glory in the way that He counts glory.

Comments (9)

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Anonymous's picture

I’ve said it on the previous entry and I’ll say it again…this is a travesty of a conference. There are so many points to examine, it’s hard to know where to begin.

Please, please, please…I would love to hear one of these guys exegete Romans 8:30, and discuss how ALL those foreknown are predestined, and how ALL those predestined are called, and how ALL those called are justified, and yet this calling is somehow resistible. There is no case of someone being called in the sense of this passage who were/are/will not be justified and glorified.

There is a one-to-one correlation between those called in this passage and those saved. So, my Arminian friends, what is this calling that ALWAYS results in salvation, and how is it that no one who receives this calling fails to get justified and glorified?

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Anonymous's picture

The white elephants in the room that no speaker has mentioned: John 6:44 and Al Mohler.

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Anonymous's picture

And to think that they began that session singing Amazing Grace ?!?

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Anonymous's picture

Hmmm, that was explained mu much better than I could have, or have, in many instances in thos forum. In response to Brian; hmmmm, I’d have to say that in order to retain the continuity of scripture, which does indeed deny the irresistable grace ideology. If you’ll take note, Paul in Romans 7,8,9, and on and previous is speaking of and to men who hold to God’s Old Testament law. God did have a plan in motion from the begining. The intention being that His plan was that we would move past laws that could not save us, but instead be confromed to the only manner/personage that could….that being Christ. This scripture is easily taken out of context if used alone. But if you follow Paul’s thoughts and consider those to whom he is speaking, the intention is plain that the foreknowledge and predestination is not of individuals, but the method by which we would be saved.

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Anonymous's picture

Dr. Lemke seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that Calvinists believe in means…

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Anonymous's picture

Did he just confuse regeneration with the life?

Which comes first, regeneration or faith? R.C. Sproul quoted to demonstrate the Reformed view that regeneration precedes faith. Jesus words in John 3 concerning the serpent lifted in the wilderness and those looking to the serpent living, proves that John 5:40: coming to Christ precedes having life. John 11:25, the believing precedes the living. b. Which comes first the Spirit’s regeneration or is regeneration commensurate with justification?”

Regeneration isn’t eternal life.

In John, eternal life is intimate communion with the Godhead - life at its scarcely imagined best. It is the present possession of all who believe, for those who believe have relation with God.

Being born again is the fulfillment of Ezekiel 36, the promise of the new heart. That’s the clear referrent in John 3.

John 3 makes even seeing the kingdom of God conditional upon regeneration. Is he saying that you get eternal life before seeing the kingdom of God? It can be argued that for John, eternal life is the kingdom of God.

This argument is so absurd that it MUST be a misquote. This can’t possibly be what he’s arguing.

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Anonymous's picture

John 20:31 Huh? I am not a seminary graduate, but I can’t make that text argue that faith precedes regeneration. The MacAthur Study Bible - “Holding Pastors accountable One Verse At A Time!”

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Anonymous's picture

I note with interest Lemke’s proposal that my accessibilism (often referred to as “inclusivism” but I find that term too ambiguous) weakens missions and evangelism. I devoted a chapter (of Who Can Be Saved?) to demonstration that such is not the case.

The intriguing thing, however, is Lemke’s subsuming of his concern about accessibilism under objections to irresistible grace. What is remarkable about this is that accessibilism is much more common among Arminians, who believe in resistible grace, than it is among Calvinists. (In fact, I have argued that it is intrinsic to an Arminian soteriology so that Arminian gospel exclusivists hold a position that is incoherent). So, Lemke does not do his own Arminian position any good by expressing concern that accessibilism weakens mission and evangelism. That such is not the case is certainly evident in the works of Christopher Wright (such as The Mission of God) which passionately motivates us to mission, despite his own accessibilist position.

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Anonymous's picture

The thing I find very sad about the things I am reading about in this conference is many of the quotes misrepresent what Calvinists believe. I don’t even mind so much that they disagree with Calvinism, but these Arminians are not untrained in theology. They should know better.