Quotable

A little while ago I was sorting through my files and found a document where I had jotted down quotes from four different books I had read at just about the same time. They are vastly different books so it was kind of interesting to me to see the juxtaposition between each of the quotes.

The first quote is from God’s Bestseller, a biography of William Tyndale written by Brian Moynahan. The author, comments about Thomas More’s bloodlust when considering heretics. More thought that, for too long, heretics (i.e. Protestants) had been “mollycoddled, allowed to escape through recantation and faggot-carrying, and in this the bishops and the church officers were ‘almost more than lawful, in that they admitted him to such an abjuration as they did, and that they did not rather leave him to the secular arm.’” He goes to explain this curious phrase.

The little phrase, ‘leave him to the secular arm’ is very much less innocent than it seems. In legal terms, a prisoner was ‘relaxed’ after the Church had found him guilty of heresy. This did not involve a period of rest and relaxation for the unfortunate, of course, far from it. It meant that the Church authorities ‘relaxed’ their hold on him by transferring him to the secular authorities for execution. The ritual handing over was designed to preserve the principle that Ecclesia non novit sanguinem, the Church does not shed blood. It provided an ecclesiastical fig leaf, since laymen carried out the actual burning, but it was a singularly transparent one. No churchman exonerated the Pharisees for the death of Christ on the grounds that they had merely handed Jesus to Pilate for sentencing, and that Roman soldiers had performed the crucifixion.

The second quote is taken from Sam Harris’ Letter to a Christian Nation, a book that is intended to be “a measured refutation of the beliefs that form the core of fundamentalist Christianity.”

According to a recent Gallup poll, only 12 percent of Americans believe that life on earth has evolved through a natural process, without the interference of a deity. Thirty-one percent believe that evolution has been “guided by God.” If our worldview were put to a vote, notions of “intelligent” design would defeat the science of biology by nearly three to one. This is troubling, as nature offers no compelling evidence for an intelligent designer and countless examples of unintelligent design. But the current controversy over “intelligent design” should not blind us to the true scope of our religious bewilderment at the dawn of the twenty-first century. The same Gallup poll revealed that 53 percent of Americans are actually creationists. This means that despite a full century of scientific insights attesting to the antiquity of life and the greater antiquity of the earth, more than half of our neighbors believe that the entire cosmos was created six thousand years ago. This is, incidentally, about a thousand years after the Sumerians invented glue. Those with the power to elect our presidents and congressmen—and many who themselves get elected—believe that dinosaurs lived two by two upon Noah’s ark, that light from distant galaxies was created en route to the earth, and that the first members of our species were fashioned out of dirt and divine breath, in a garden with a talking snake, but the hand of an invisible God.

Among developed nations, America stands alone in these convictions. Our country now appears, as at no other time in her history, like a lumbering, bellicose, dim-witted giant. Anyone who cares about the fate of civilization would do well to recognize that the combination of great power and great stupidity is simply terrifying, even to one’s friends.

Forty-four percent of the American population is convinced that Jesus will return to judge the living and the dead sometime in the next fifty years. According to the most common interpretation of biblical prophecy, Jesus will return only after things have gone horribly awry here on earth. It is, therefore, not an exaggeration to say that if the city of New York were suddenly replaced by a ball of fire, some significant percentage of the American population would see a silver lining in the subsequent mushroom cloud, as it would suggest to them that the best thing that is ever going to happen was about to happen—the return of Christ. It should be blindingly obvious that beliefs of this sort will do little to help us create a durable future for ourselves—socially, economically, environmentally, or geopolitically. Imagine the consequences if any significant component of the U.S. government actually believed that the world was about to end and that its ending would be glorious. The fact that nearly half of the American population apparently believes this, purely on the basis of religious dogma, should be considered a moral and intellectual emergency. The book you are about to read is my response to this emergency…

The third quote is only brief, but profound. It is drawn from David Wells’ Above All Earthly Pow’rs.

This moment of tragedy and evil [the events of September 11] shone its own light on the Church and what we came to see was not a happy sight. For what has become conspicuous by its scarcity, and not least in the evangelical corner of it, is a spiritual gravitas, one which could match the depth of horrendous evil and address issues of such seriousness. Evangelicalism, now much absorbed by the arts and tricks of marketing, is simply not very serious anymore.

And finally, a quote from John Blanchard and Dan Lucarini’s Can We Rock the Gospel, which attempts to expose rock music’s impact on worship and evangelism. The book is premised on the view that rock music is dividing the church, destroying local congregations and turning Christian against Christian in arguments about musical styles. They ask, given rock music’s well-earned “worldly reputation…”

Why do worship leaders, evangelists or church musicians work so hard to perfect the use of it? To accommodate this inconsistency, Christian rock apologists have had to construct a new faith system to offer religious cover to those who do so. This system requires adherence to one or more of the following credos:

  • God created all music—therefore rock music was inspired by him.
  • Although rock may have been corrupted by bad people, we have the power to redeem it for God.
  • Music itself is neutral and amoral, and only the lyrics matter. Therefore, there is no such thing as “evil” or “good” music.
  • The end justifies the means—if it brings someone to Christ, God can use it. If it brings me into God’s presence during worship, it must be from God.

The lyrics of Christian rock songs may in and of themselves be respectful of God and Christian principles, but can anyone honestly say that these Christians have created a “new” song, or that their music compositions are inspired by God rather than by men? The evidence suggests otherwise and leads us to believe that Christian rockers are simply copying and imitating a music style that was created and inspired by men who in their lust for freedom—for sex, freedom to get high on drugs anytime they please, freedom to seek a god of some sort through altered states of consciousness, and freedom from any kind of authority—have rejected the God of the Bible.

Comments (15)

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Anonymous's picture

The irony is truly between the second and third quotes— The emergency of Harris as compared to Well’s loss of gravitas. They are both reading the exact same situation and yet coming to completely different conclusions.

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Anonymous's picture

Don’t know how you manage your quotes, but you should look in to Evernote. Very nice tool.http://evernote.com/

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Anonymous's picture

Tim,

In regards to the final quote - I realize that you did not post your opinions about the quotes but wouldn’t a similar evaluation be necessary for Christian Rap like Lecrae? (Which you put on your list of favorite albums.)

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Anonymous's picture

I was hoping (evidently not, though) that the Blanchard/Lucarini was from the same era as “Soul-Winning Made Easy”. It certainly employs all the same strawmen that I heard 30+ years ago.

To paraphrase them, “can anyone honestly say that these Christians have created a ‘new’ book?”

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Anonymous's picture

I’m with Edward. I’d like to hear some of your responses to the Blanchard/Lucarini quote. Maybe an article and thread on music would be in order. For me, I think their arguments are severely flawed. I haven’t read Can We Rock the Gospel but I read Lucarini’s Why I Left the Contemporary Christian Music Movement. It’s basically Lucarini saying his motives were wrong for using CCM, then he transferred those same motives to everyone who uses CCM. I was in a workshop he gave at a teacher’s convention and he said that they (the traditionalists) had settled the question of “is music amoral” back in the 90’s. Unfortunately he didn’t leave time for questions. I would have liked to hear him try to defend the fact that certain styles of music are inherently immoral. Maybe you could write an article and invite him into the meta. I hear he’s willing to engage.

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Anonymous's picture

The ritual handing over was designed to preserve the principle that Ecclesia non novit sanguinem, the Church does not shed blood. It provided an ecclesiastical fig leaf, since laymen carried out the actual burning, but it was a singularly transparent one.

The author is partially right in this. Heresy was a state crime, but only the Church had the authority to judge whether a person was or was not guilty of it. So the trial would be an ecclesiastical one, but the sentence would be carried out by the Crown, because the crime had been committed against the Crown.

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Anonymous's picture

I should have read the rest of the post before commenting. Blanchard and Lucarini’s points about Christian rock strike me as a non sequitur. Their first three “justifications” are in fact true on the face of them. God did create music, the tones of the scale are in fact amoral, and so forth. The fourth pseudo-justification is one that no Christian would actually use, although it does seem to be an undercurrent in many forms of evangelization. Music isn’t the only area in which the goal is to convince the unchurched to pray the Sinner’s Prayer by whatever means necessary.

Finally, back to More: I don’t think anybody could call More bloodthirsty. He was a stickler for the law, to such an extreme that he advocated harsh enforcement of the existing laws on heresy. That same sticklerhood (stickling?) was the same thing that got him beheaded in the end. In neith3r case would he allow his personal feelings to interfere with his lawyer’s instincts.

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Anonymous's picture

I’m also concerned with how Blanchard/Lucarini throw around a term like inspired. It seems a bit careless to use that term in a Christian context unless you’re referring to “God-breathing”, which is exclusive to Scriptures. They say, “can anyone honestly say that these Christians have created a “new” song, or that their music compositions are inspired by God rather than by men”. They’re obviously using the term inspired in a different sense, but now they’ve got to define what they mean by “inspired by God” and what are the Scriptural tests for determining that? Is this post inspired by God? Certainly not in the same way that Ephesians is, but what, to them, does inspiration mean then?

Also, Lucarini seems to think that the “new song” implies a different style with different lyrics. What then of the classically trained artist whose choral or operatic music was, for him, an outlet for his elitist sense of arrogance. According to Lucarini’s logic, if he gets saved does he now have a responsibility to leave classical music and pursue rock, or jazz, perhaps country-western. If he keeps using classical music, how could his music be classified as a “new song” according to Lucarini?

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Anonymous's picture

Comment by quote:1)An unfortuneate commentary on what is likely only a few years away in NorthAmerica

2)Flagrant misrepresentation of true, biblical Christianity. He may not have called me a fool for Christ’s sake, but I’ll take dimwitted and stupid. However if one stops to consider the truth claims of scripture, is not the return of Christ the greatest moment, ever? He is right in that there is a “moral and intellectual emergency”, but I would add, spiritual, which is why we need to preach the gospel that is presented in scripture, in hopes that God will open the eyes of the blind. Enough with this foul gospel, let those who preach it be accursed.

3)See last lines above ^

4)God did not create a forms of music, just like God didn’t form a forms of sexual activity, or eating habbits. We are wretched, perverse, gluttenous nation because we enduldge ourselves in sin(period).

Tim, thanks for sharing these quotes, they definately represent the broader picture of the world and the church. I wonder how John Qwen would have repsonded?

Maybe…

Let our hearts admit, “I am poor and weak. Satan is too subtle, too cunning, too powerful; he watches constantly for advantages over my soul. The world presses in upon me with all sorts of pressures, pleas, and pretences. My own corruption is violent, tumultuous, enticing, and entangling. As it conceives sin, it wars within me and against me. Occasions and opportunities for temptation are innumerable. No wonder I do not know how deeply involved I have been with sin. Therefore, on God alone will I rely for my keeping. I will continually look to Him.”

or”Sin aims always at the utmost; every time it rises up to tempt or entice, if it has its own way it will go out to the utmost sin in that kind. Every unclean thought or glance would be adultery if it could, every thought of unbelief would be atheism if allowed to develop. Every rise of lust, if it has its way reaches the height of villainy; it is like the grave that is never satisfied. The deceitfulness of sin is seen in that it is modest in its first proposals but when it prevails it hardens mens’ hearts, and brings them to ruin.”

God bless you, and keep you.

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Anonymous's picture

Just to add regarding music, I thought about rap, rock, classical, southern gospel, and others. Now if you take out the words, which in some cases may be very biblical, and verses taken directly from scripture. Then listen only to the music, the sound apart from the words, which by the way nobody would disagree are the only means by which God uses in any context, in order to save men, and what are you left with? Which sounds/music tends to give an impression of violence and anger? Personally and in my opinion, I think we can admit that there really are few “Christian” artists today with lyrics as God honoring as some hiphop such as Lacrea or Trip Lee. So for me and my family, we will listen to what we hear as honoring to God, where the words are the focus, though I do love classical. Otherwise howcan it be considered “worship music” if words aren’t the outward expression of you hearts desires? First and most important thing to ask yourself is, are the words true, biblical and God honoring, I think alot of so called, worship music would get the axe from most church song sheets.

Just some thoughts to think.

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Anonymous's picture

Tim:

What is really scary is the likely number of “Christians” who fear God in a Proverbs 1:7 sense.

In December 1995, Dr. David Wells spoke at the NAE in Dallas, and his talk was reproduced as The Bleeding of the Evangelical Church, a small pamphlet by The Banner of Truth Trust. This portion really has never left my mind since as I bewail the condition of nominal, American Evangelicalism since I first read this:

In 1993 a very interesting study was done which revisited George Gallup’s figure of 32% of adult Americans who claim to be reborn. What this study did was to add just a few modest tokens of commitment as additional tests. In addition to asking, “Are you born again?,” they also asked, “Do you go to church with some regularity, do you pray with some regularity, and do you have some minimal structure of formal Christian belief? When those tests were added, the figure of 32% dropped to 8%. And if we were to probe just a little bit more, and if we were to ask: first, “Are your regenerate?”; second, “Do you have a sufficiently cogent world view to make a difference in society?” and third, “Do you have a sufficiently formed Christian character to want to do so?”, based on some ongoing research I have seen, my guess is that the figure may be no more than 1% or 2%. What this means, my brothers and sisters, is that we may have been living in a fool’s paradise.

And later:

The reality that we have to face today is that we have produced a plague of nominal evangelicalism which is a trite and as superficial as anything we have seen in Catholic Europe.

My guess is that things have only gotten worse since December 1995 as I see no evidence to the contrary. Using Wells’ numbers against God’s word, America is likely 94% FOOLS and 6% (at best) WISE!!

Bob

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More quote:

Burning heretics, or turning them over to the state to be burned, is as evil and contradictory to the Gospel as anything “modern” Christianity has come up with. There was no golden age; there is nothing new under the sun.

Harris quote:

I tend to sympathize with Harris somewhat, putting myself in his position. However, he makes the mistake (even working from within his worldview) of confusing “delusion” with “stupidity”. Even a religion-basher like Harris must admit that there are plenty of believers who are, in fact, not “stupid”. Dawkins was more accurate (working from his particular worldview, again) when he called it the “God Delusion”.

Wells quote:

In general I agree. Though, I’d go even further and posit that even churches and believers who aren’t obsessed with marketing and gimmickry had a fairly difficult time dealing with the tragedy. In some ways, I’m not sure whether it can really be “dealt with” in any acceptable way. Some things are “un-deal-with-able”. The trick is to realize that, instead of trying to explain them away with endless platitudes.

Blanchard/Lucarini quote:

In general I disagree with these guys. However, I do agree with them that music is not entirely “neutral”. Like speech, it is a form of communication. While, in the absence of words, it can’t communicate specific ideas, it can express certain raw emotions. Despair, rage, etc. That said, I haven’t seen a lot of worship leaders emulating the musical styles of, say, Tool or Rage Against the Machine.

Is it “rock music” if your worship team uses an electric guitar? Drums? A bass? Can we really boil down everything into one category called “rock music”?

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Anonymous's picture

New Atheism (Sam Harris): the Church needs to take Harris, Dawkins, Hitchens, et al., seriously. These men are hurting; they feel the pressure and the pain of a world without God.

You may be right about that. They are also so enmeshed in arrogant pride that they are revolted at the idea that anything is greater than themselves.

The frustrating thing about them is that they operate under the assumption that if a thing can be expressed in sneering or ridiculous terms, it must be false.

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Anonymous's picture

Further regarding 9/11, I can think of no verse of scripture that gives a better response from Christians than this.

Luke 13:1 There were some present at that very time who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? 3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? 5 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

It’s events such as this that are our most opportune times to call the lost to Christ.

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Anonymous's picture

I have a post with a vid embedded having material related to the quote on Thomas More, http://aguyblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/why-historically-christians-witnessed.html