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A La Carte (10/2)
- 10/02/09
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Phil Johnson on Rob Bell on the word “Evangelical”: “In fact, listen to Bell’s own cockamamie claim about what the term properly describes: ‘I embrace the term evangelical, if by that we mean a belief that we together can actually work for change in the world, caring for the environment, extending to the poor generosity and kindness, a hopeful outlook. That’s a beautiful sort of thing.’”
Public Outbursts
The LA Times looks into the glut of public outbursts we’ve seen recently—Serena Williams, Kanye West, Joe Wilson, etc.
Deep Church
Kevin DeYoung offers a review of this book which seeks to find a third way beyond (between?) emerging and traditional.
The Baseball Call of the Year
Here’s one for the baseball fans.
Christians and Tithing
Randy Alcorn looks at the issue of tithing. “Christ fulfilled the entire Old Testament, but he didn’t render it irrelevant. Old Testament legislation demonstrated how to love my neighbor. Although the specific regulations don’t all apply, the principles certainly do, and many of the guidelines are still as helpful as ever.”
Phil Johnson on Rob Bell on the word “Evangelical”: “In fact, listen to Bell’s own cockamamie claim about what the term properly describes: ‘I embrace the term evangelical, if by that we mean a belief that we together can actually work for change in the world, caring for the environment, extending to the poor generosity and kindness, a hopeful outlook. That’s a beautiful sort of thing.’”
Public Outbursts
The LA Times looks into the glut of public outbursts we’ve seen recently—Serena Williams, Kanye West, Joe Wilson, etc.
Deep Church
Kevin DeYoung offers a review of this book which seeks to find a third way beyond (between?) emerging and traditional.
The Baseball Call of the Year
Here’s one for the baseball fans.
Christians and Tithing
Randy Alcorn looks at the issue of tithing. “Christ fulfilled the entire Old Testament, but he didn’t render it irrelevant. Old Testament legislation demonstrated how to love my neighbor. Although the specific regulations don’t all apply, the principles certainly do, and many of the guidelines are still as helpful as ever.”

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Comments (17)
Ha. Yeah, if that’s how you define evangelical, you might as well define existentialist or Fundamentalist that way.
I’m just testing something. Feel free to ignore me.
While Rob Bell certainly deserves criticism and correction, I doubt he (or anyone) can hear it through Phil Johnson’s sneering, condescension, and pride. Bell is wrong, but Johnson is right in all the wrong ways.
Jeff says: “Bell is wrong, but Johnson is right in all the wrong ways.”
That is about as fine a comment as possible. Mr. Bell is wrong. His definition has no Gospel and No Jesus. It turns the politically correct flavour of the day into a new Law. And it leaves us lost.
But Mr. Johnson’s article is not a whole lot better, with the clown picture and the sneering tone. He is, indeed, right in all the wrong ways.
When one does an in-depth study of tithing in the OT and NT, it is very hard to support Alcorn’s contentions. The argument against the tithe is not simply one of Grace superseding Law, which is how Alcorn views it.
His reading of Matt. 23:23 is disappointing, as it is taken out of context and also fails to take into context that it occurred before the end of the temple system. In that regard, Alcorn fails to understand the nature of the priesthood today and its relationship to the tithe of old, which is why so few Christians understand Acts 2:44-45 and Acts 4:32-37.
Alcorn also ignores the understanding of the legal standing of being dead in Christ and what that means to ownership. He also fails to note that the tithe of old did not apply to all citizens of Israel, nor was it to be transacted with money (as God added an additional levy against those who attempted to pay in money rather than goods).
In truth, a solid study on tithing in the OT and sacrificial giving in the NT reveals a stark contrast between the two and shatters a number of misconceptions about both. If anything, the OT tithe prevents the Church of today from being all She can be. The OT tithe is easy, convenient, and relies on no leading by the Spirit, whereas the NT tithe is much harder for those who are selfish, which, sadly, describes all too many of us.
Rob Bell might benefit from a quick look at etymology. The things he describes are mostly pretty good ideas (when taken in the right sense) but they really don’t have much more to do with the word “evangelical” than with the word “popcorn.”
A word of caution about the Rob Bell piece:
When any secular news source does a story on a noted Christian, we must always read the piece with caution. As someone who writes for a living and interviews others, I know that what often comes out is the writer’s feelings for the person or his or her agenda. Whether that reflects the interviewee perfectly is a serious issue. I know without a doubt that a newspaper interview leaves a great deal on the cutting room floor. What was left we cannot know.
I would also respectfully offer that when Bell comes out of left field in his statements, this does not preclude that he arrives at them by walking through right field first. As is true with many of us, when we have a point to make, we often gloss over the popular conception to ensure that the points we want to make aired. In other words, that Bell chooses to highlight different thoughts on what it means to be an evangelical does not mean that he holds a contrary or faulty view, only that he has chosen to highlight a view that may not be commonly held by some. Let’s face it, evangelicals have a terrible reputation in some of the areas that Bell chose to emphasize, which is why he may have emphasized that some evangelicals exist who may be more sensitive to those issues. The fact that he emphasized those points does not mean he is unorthodox in others.
And again, I would offer that the definition he gave may not have been all the definition. The writer, who has his own views, may have chosen to cut out the rest of what Bell said or frame what he did in such a way that it appears with greater emphasis.
I’m not a fan of everything Bell. Far from it. But we Christians need to be like snakes when it comes to any public work like this short newspaper article. Any of us can be spun by a writer. None of us was privy to the entire interview. If it does not reflect what we wish was said, then we should exercise caution before we tear into the one interviewed. We simply do not have all the facts at our disposal to say. Therefore, our words should be few.
“Therefore, our words should be few.”
Well said!
I will also respectfully offer that when we tear into a public figure like Rob Bell in public forums without taking into account what I wrote in my post above, we become guilty of the same sin as noted in Tim’s a la carte entry about public outbursts.
Something to think about.
Wise posts, DLE. Thanks!
“Bell is wrong, but Johnson is right in all the wrong ways.”
So when Jesus turned those tables over, it was o.k., as long as He did it nicely?
Jesus never sinned in his anger (and didn’t use sarcasm misrepresentation, or condescension to make his point).
Johnson’s tone suggests that he is proud of his superior knowledge and theology and enjoys writing people off. Do you think he reflects Jesus’ righteous indignation? It’s dangerously easy and fun to condemn others — which is exactly why Jesus warns us against passing judgment.
I think that a tone of humility and charity would better reflect a gospel-centered concern for others than does the tone Johnson frequently uses in his writings.
pentamom #6:
I’m not sure Bell is as “off” in his definition of evangelicalism as one might think. Sure, if you look at the etymology of the word then yeah, he’s nowhere near. But if you look at it as it was most recently used in the North American protestantism, it was used as a counterpoint to fundamentalism. The key difference was that “evangelicals” felt Christians had a responsibility to engage the larger culture and be proactive about things. See definition #3 here:
http://isae.wheaton.edu/defining-evangelicalism/defining-the-term-in-contemporary-times/
That may be what Bell was referring to when he talked about “reclaiming” the term “evangelical”.
Good job Phil Johnson. I really am tired of hearing Christians pandering to false theology. Standing up for the truth - is it ever polite anymore?
” Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act. ” George Orwell
In that case, JPH, the criticism needs to be for the people who attempted to redefine a word with long historical standing (and I don’t mean strictly the Greek etymology, but the understanding going back at least to the Reformation) by their desire to distinguish and distance themselves from other people who actually did fit the definition. Any way you slice it, identifying the word “evangelical” primarily with temporal and social concerns is at best something to be lamented as a past error in need of reforming, not something to be promoted so long as the set of concerns is properly tweaked.
Jeff — obviously Jesus never sinned, and of course the Truth Himself never misrepresented anything. But no use of sarcasm or condescension? I’m not at all convinced of that. Certainly not in the most nasty and cynical and snarky ways sarcasm and condescension are frequently used, but I think you could fairly call His approach sarcastic or condescending at times.
As I read Phil’s message, although I believe most of what he said was true. I do not believe the way he said them is helpful.Take for instance the following statement:”hip middle-class Willow Creekers who couldn’t care less about either doctrine or politics but just want to be entertained”Although it is true that the whole Willow Creek philosophy is un-biblical. I have to say that as a former Willow Creeker myself; I know that in most cases Willow Creekers do not just want to be entertained. In my case and I know others that is also true of, I was very doctrinally orientated. In fact when I was a “Willow Creeker” I saw the Willow Creek philosophy as completely compatible with the Bible. As someone who took the great commission seriously, I believed at the time that Willow Creek philosophy was a great way to share my faith.
Of course since then, I have come to realize that it was more pragmatism than anything else. Never the less if I had read what Phil wrote back then, I would have been offended, simply because I know it isn’t true about a lot of Willow Creekers.I am a person who tries not to be offended, mainly because I believe that sometimes our worst critics can teach us a lot.Back in my Willow Creek days there was a lot of criticism with the whole “seeker sensitive movement”, and I began to study some of the criticisms to see if they stood up against the Word of God.The fact that I am no longer a Willow Creeker, shows you my findings of those studies, however I had to sift through a lot of untruths and half truths just to get at the truth.I read some articles that would say something very profound and true. But then in the next paragraph it would attack people who happen to believe the philosophy as though they were heretics.
Let me just say, persevered through all that because of my personality, most people I know would not have put up with some of those things.But it does not mean they love the truth any less than I do.