Facebook for Oregonians

Just helping a brother figure out Facebook.

Josh Harris needs help with Facebook. In fact, he has resorted to begging for friends. It’s kind of sad, really. So I thought I would try to help a friend out with this Facebook Survey.

Now Facebook is kind of a neat phenomenon. I’m not convinced it has much lasting value but for now it’s kind of a fun way of connecting with friends, and especially long-forgotten friends. The problem I’ve found is that once you connect with these people by becoming their “Friend” there isn’t a whole lot left to do. Facebook is, in my experience, more fun than useful; more entertaining than beneficial. But maybe I just haven’t quite figured it all out yet. Nevertheless, here are the answers to Josh’s questions.

  1. How many times a day do you check your Facebook account?

    I don’t check it more than once most days unless I receive an interesting-looking notification or if I want to post a note. I don’t find there is a lot of reason to visit it otherwise. But maybe that’s just me.

  2. What do you do when someone you don’t know wants to be your friend? This hasn’t happened to me yet but it might, and I was homeschooled so I’m not sure what I’ll do.

    I suggest doing the same thing as when you receive an email you don’t want to reply to. Ignore it and hope the situation goes away! That said, I don’t think I’ve rejected any friend requests yet. Basically you have two options when you start using Facebook—either accept only friends who are really friends in a more traditional sense of the word (and then be prepared to reject a lot of invites) or widen the definition of friend to “anyone who asks.” I think this is what most people do. The concept of “friend” doesn’t have a lot of meaning in a Facebook context.

  3. What’s the most useful thing about Facebook?

    I’m still trying to figure this out. But I think it’s probably in allowing you to find long-lost friends and to have a way of keeping in touch with them. I think Facebook has more value to people who do not have a blog than to those who do. If you are already involved in some kind of Web 2.0 media such as a blog, you may find that Facebook doesn’t offer a whole lot of value that the blog doesn’t.

  4. Are there any really cool add-ons that I should know about?

    Not that I’ve found. I am quite convinced that every Facebook application is a complete and utter waste of time. You know, unless you like to make believe that you’re a pirate or you like to pretend to throw pretend food at people (and actually, in Oregon that may just be considered fun!).

  5. Does your church use Facebook to build “community” online? Give examples. I found out my church already has a group. I’m curious what other churches are doing.

    Our church has a Facebook group and every person who goes to the church and has a Facebook account is a member of that group. But that’s about it. I don’t think that’s the same thing as building community, is it?

  6. Is it true that some people have dumped email and mostly use Facebook to communicate?

    I doubt it. I don’t think that would be very smart.

  7. How do respond when someone posts on your wall? Do you post on their wall, on your own? I’m not clear on this.

    The wall is a really bad way to communicate. it isn’t quite the equivalent of a blog where comments are ordered in an obvious way and it’s also not the equivalent of a forum which offers threaded discussion. So I avoid writing on walls. Walls may be one of the worst ways of communicating online ever invented.

  8. I joined a group for Humble Orthodoxy and New Attitude. I also considered joining a group called “Josh Harris Ruined My Dating Life” but I was afraid I would spoil the fun they were having. But, boy, could I give them scoop on what a jerk I am. Any other groups I should think about joining?

    Probably not. It seems to me that the vast majority of groups serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever. This is especially true of the group called “Tim Challies Needs a Day Off.” Lots of groups have cool or funny names or are organized around good topics, but I haven’t found much interesting discussion.

  9. A more serious question: Are there any unique spiritual pitfalls or temptations that you’ve encountered on Facebook? How have you responded?

    Not so far. But if something comes along, knowing my track record, I’m sure I’ll respond wrong the first time, then try to correct it and do better the second time!

  10. What does it mean to “poke” someone. How does that work?

    You press the “Poke” button and the next time that person log on to Facebook he’ll receive a message saying that you poked him. I think you also allow him to see your account for a few days when you poke him. Now trust me when I say this because I’ve tried: it’s a LOT more fun to just poke a person in real life. So rather than poking the person in Facebook, walk up to him in church, ram your finger into his rib cage and say “Poke!” There are some things Facebook just can’t simulate well. This is one of them.

  11. Why do so many girls use a picture of themselves that includes three other friends? Is this like visiting the ladies room in herds? Is this something I’ll never understand as a man?

    You’ll never understand. I’m pretty sure this is a post-Fall behavior and one we men folk will never really understand. It’s kind of like the “Ooo…let’s all go and try on our dresses and brush each other’s hair and tell each other how pretty we look!” behavior. It’s almost as incomprehensible as the rules for cricket. I’ve long since given up even trying.

I hope that helps some. But it probably doesn’t much…

Comments (27)

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Anonymous's picture

Tim,

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. But more importantly, thanks for “friending” me yesterday. I feel so much closer.

I am definitely going to join the group “Tim Challies Needs a Day Off.” I’m sure there’s some rich fellowship there.

Grateful,

Joshua

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Anonymous's picture

I confess, I haven’t been keeping up with this. From an academic context, Facebook is old news. Be that as it may, everyone with even a mild interest in Facebook needs to encounter the Facebook Song at least once.

:)

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Anonymous's picture

The concept of “friend” doesn’t have a lot of meaning in a Facebook context.”

I’m hurt.

I completely agree about the wall. In the privacy setting of your account you can select to have your wall be invisible to everyone, which is essentially the same as deleting it. I recommend this option.

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Anonymous's picture

Finally, I’ve been trying to figure out when to use the poke. I think I’ll try it out at prayer meeting before I unveil it on Sunday morning!

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Anonymous's picture

Facebook is fun. I have imported my blog posts and am really enjoying finding out the names of a few more of my blog readers who have added me a friend. I must confess to also loving the “Compare people” app which could waste hours in my humble opinion…. Its also a bit like friends reunited without the annual subscription. . .

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Anonymous's picture

Perhaps to all those blogger and/ or facebook fans that would like to replace that corpse-like pallor from “socializing” in front of your computer all day with a ruddy glow should consider joining the group that discusses the “Top Ten Things To Do Outside”

Here are the top 5 places to “socialize” on facebook courtesy of Google:1. London — (850,994 members)2. Toronto, ON (Canada) — (717,931 members)3. Vancouver, BC (Canada) — (369,928 members)4. Norway — (304,166 members)5. New York, NY — (296,921 members)

Now, don’t get me wrong… but these are all shivering cold locations where a corpse-like pallor is in anyway. Go figure.

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Anonymous's picture

Well… except for London where it rains and has blustery winds a lot, right?… same effect.

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Anonymous's picture

O Tim, that reminds me. I forgot to mention that I think the campaign to give Tim a day off is a very worthy one. Your readers should all join up (or perhaps we have all 18 of us!)

When your wife, your pastor, and some quality friends all agree its time to listen!!!!! Shall we do this the easy way, or shall I send Andrew Fountain and Paul Martin round to your house to steal your PCs for a day or two?

If you want to join the campaign, visit -

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6261525057

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Anonymous's picture

It seems to me that the vast majority of groups serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever. This is especially true of the group called “Tim Challies Needs a Day Off.”

Which you happen to be a member of.

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Anonymous's picture

Which you happen to be a member of.

Precisely. And it serves no point! :) It may be fun or funny, but it doesn’t really serve a purpose (that I know)…

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Anonymous's picture

Precisely. And it serves no point! :) It may be fun or funny, but it doesn’t really serve a purpose (that I know)…

True. Still, I thought it was pretty funny when I saw that you were a member of a group dedicated to trying to get you to take a break from blogging. Some groups do serve a purpose (like the one for my dept. at school, where we post important announcements), but like you said, most are pretty pointless.

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Anonymous's picture

True. Still, I thought it was pretty funny when I saw that you were a member of a group dedicated to trying to get you to take a break from blogging.

Well, it was a little awkward. Someone began the group and then asked me to join. I wasn’t sure if it would be a bigger faux pas to join or not to join! :)

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Anonymous's picture

Actually, it does seem that many people are moving away from email into applications like Facebook (smart or not!). There are articles like this one:http://news.com.com/2009-1032_3-6197242.html?part=rss

And, going to a University I’m finding that swapping emails just never happens - it’s Facebook and MySpace.

I’ve found Facebook useful so far - but I still have my email address. Old timer that I am….

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Anonymous's picture

… or you like to pretend to throw pretend food at people (and actually, in Oregon that may just be considered fun!).

It’s a minor bit of trivia, but the famous food fight scene in the movie Animal House was filmed at Carson Hall at the University of Oregon. So there may be more truth in that than you thought. :)

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Anonymous's picture

I have recently become a facebook user…mostly to keep in touch with my eldest as she traveled in Europe and as she goes off to college. It’s very useful in that respect. I’ve also seen adults who have good teen/college ministries use Facebook and Instant Messaging very effectively in connecting with their “kids.” And as a parent, it’s useful to monitor what your dear young one is doing on his/her site.

On a more cautionary note…I have been approached by several people I do not know to be their “friend.” It seems that most of them are harmless and are looking to increase their “friend” list numbers. However, one was obviously pornographic. In all cases I clicked on “ignore”…and in the case of the solicitation, facebook allows for a report, which I filled out. You can click on the potential “friend’s” name to see his profile…that’s how I found out about the porn one. I always click, just in case it’s one of my children’s friends deciding to give dad a chance at being a friend!! So far, though, that hasn’t been the case. So be careful out there!

CharleyGet Serious BlogHomeDiscipling Dad Blog

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Anonymous's picture

Regarding email, one of the staffers for our rather large college ministry said it was FAR more effective “facebooking” freshmen students about events than emailing them. Further evidence that, for some, Facebooks is becoming more effective than email…. at least for now.

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Anonymous's picture

how do I join Joshua Harris facebook. I want to be a friend.

Shane

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Anonymous's picture

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the difference between Facebook and MySpace? I have a blog, but I’ve been avoiding MySpace and Facebook like Dr. Richard Kimble avoided Marshal Samuel Gerard (i.e., in “The Fugitive”).

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Anonymous's picture

Walls may be one of the worst ways of communicating online ever invented.

Chuckles.

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Anonymous's picture

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the difference between Facebook and MySpace?

I haven’t used MySpace enough to really know, but I think Facebook is geared more towards finding and communicating with friends while MySpace is a little bit more like blogging. Facebook also isn’t available publicly like many MySpace pages are.

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Anonymous's picture

Hmm. So I assume Facebook would be considered a safer environment in which to “network” (i.e., avoiding a lot of the moral junk that’s available on MySpace and making it safer from stalkers and other dubious information-gatherers)?

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Anonymous's picture

I’m appalled by your comment on the herding behaviour of women. Comparing incomprehensible girlie behaviour to cricket is degrading to cricket ;-)

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Anonymous's picture

I find that creating groups is useful for contacting the group members concerning new events that are happening. For example my friends and I play a lot of soccer and we created a group of everyone that comes out for soccer. Whenever we want to get a game together we “message all members” of the group about where and when and as many as can, come out. We also have the same thing for a bible study that we just started. Where and when the next bible study will be can be messaged to all members of the group.

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Anonymous's picture

I joined Facebook at my nephew’s invite. It is a nice way to stay in touch… really the only way he will communicate with me. : ) He tried to get me to join MySpace, but it seems too unpolished, for lack of a better word.

I do friend blogosphere “friends.” Reading blogs and comments, does create community and Facebook is a convenient way to go a step further with online community. Make sure you go through each privacy setting and set them at your comfort level. Because I wish to include the blogosphere (in my small way), I probably put less personal and less personally identifying information on Facebook than someone who only includes face to face friends.

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Anonymous's picture

Bar none, the best benefit to these pages is what Charley said above: become friends with your kids and all their friends and then you have a really great ‘view’ as a parent. I’ve found that the teen set thinks it’s kind of cool that I’m on facebook and myspace and they add me as a friend because of the ‘old person’ novelty. I have a xanga page too and subscribe to the kids’ blog entries and hear their hearts in my email basket each day. Whatever they are putting out there for their peers to see, they are sending to me also. (And I post things too now that then to encourage or joke with them. I don’t want to just be lurking around like a crazy-blog-stalker-mom!) It’s way to be part of their world in a place that could be very remote and unseen if I DON’T have a page! Modern parenting!!

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Anonymous's picture

This is a truly hilarious discussion. As a member of “facebook” and an Oregonian I agree with everything that Tim says, Facebook and many other internet diversions can be a terrific waste of time. (especially when it comes to “poking wars”)

Thanks for bringing some humor into my otherwise long day.

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Anonymous's picture

Regarding the difference between MySpace and Facebook…

MySpace has about 100 times the users, but is basically a cesspool full of sexual deviants and ugly pages.

Facebook is a little more closed and controlled, and can be used as a tool to keep up with family and friends.