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- 04/08/11
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It appears that quite a few of you decided to buy a copy of Written in Tears, the book I reviewed a couple of days ago. Amazon sold out, but you can still buy it at CBD if interested. Or, of course, it’s still available in Kindle and other ebook formats. I’d love to hear from some of you who bought it: Did you enjoy it as much as I did?
Cruciform @ TGC - Cruciform Press will be at Gospel Coalition. Here are details if you want to track us down.
The Next Story - For a limited time Ligonier has put my book on sale for $11.50 which I believe is the lowest price you’ll find right now. You may also want to check out their $5 Friday deals.
Uganda 2011 - Last year I did an interview with Jeff Anderson who began an exciting and unique ministry in Uganda. At the link you can read an update on teaching the book of Colossians to 20,000 people.
The Joy Eternal - The Joy Eternal is a band with a new EP out called A Sweet and Bitter Providence. As you may have surmised, it is based on John Piper’s book of the same title. Here is a video introduction if you’re interested.
Mad Men and the Judgment of God - I enjoyed this article by Russell Moore. Don’t read this as an endorsement of Mad Men since I haven’t watched the show (and, by all accounts, probably shouldn’t).
Flower Power - This is for those of us who dwell in parts of the world that are refusing to warm up.
Moving Romeward - Carl Trueman takes a shot at answering why some of the reasons that evangelicals may convert to Catholicism.
The Magnitude of His Mercy - Here is a trailer for a recent documentary.
[E]very comfort that the saints have in this world is an earnest penny to them of those eternal mercies that the Lord has provided for them. —Jeremiah Burroughs

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Comments (22)
Mad Men is a great show even though it may not be the most edifying. We can still enjoy and learn from the show.
I got two copies of Next Story…one on Kindle (which I’m reading at night) and a copy from Westminster (it will be a gift to someone). I hear rumors that the Westminster books may be signed? We’ll see when it arrives. So far, so good.
I remember sending you data on TNT…now I can’t find my figures to see how close I was to what you came up with. They are around here somewhere…
We can, yes, but should we?
I am wrestling with the implications of the gospel for our entertainment choices.
Has there been anything written on the Christian view of leisure? Perhaps Tim’s book addresses this very issue!
Some good a la carte stuff today, Tim. Wow, that documentary is going to be something. And as for “Written in Tears” selling out at Amazon, all I can say is, the power of the Challies. Too much for shipping at CBD and don’t have an e-reader, so hopefully Amazon will get some copies back in soon. When I read it I’ll share my thoughts. Blessings to you and your family today.
I find that the “is it necessary?” argument is growing old and tired with regard to what we do and don’t do - particularly as it relates to art.
To base one’s theology of ethics on “is it necessary” is clearly problematic if you understand that grace is “gratuitous,” that is, “given or done freely.” If God operated on the basis of “what is necessary,” we’d all be in a lot of trouble. But, thankfully, the nature of God’s giving of himself is centered on love and enjoyment.
A better starting question is probably to ask whether something like a film or a television show is truthful and/or beautiful, and/or good.
But this requires much stronger rationale than simply looking up the “content,” which is a shallow way of considering whether an artistic depiction is worthwhile.
As my favorite Christian film critic Jeffrey Overstreet likes to say, there is a difference between a film that depicts immorality and one that carries out immorality. And discerning the difference can be difficult, but necessarily involves discerning context.
In other words, a better question than “does this movie or tv show have immorality?” might be “does this movie or tv show depict immorality truthfully?” The latter does not glorify sin; it exposes sin as sin. Big difference.
Of course, content is still important and what one is able to watch varies from person to person and, thus, more discernment here is required.
But one starting place for the general American public (yes, Christians included) might be to stop “consuming” culture uncritically (particularly films), and begin consciously thinking about what one is watching. “Reading” a film or tv show can be difficult business because of its basis in image, but when we stop being purely consumptive of culture, we desire more than to be merely entertained as if on a roller coaster; and, therefore, we become less likely to be affected by the “content.”
Food for thought.
I find that the “is it necessary?” argument is growing old and tired …
Amen to that. It’s a favorite question of legalists, and few others.
I am not sure what to make of the “is it necessary?” arguement. What is behind their thoughts when Christian’s use an arguement like this? Getting to the heart of this, should determine whether their point is good or not.
I’m not sure who made the “is it necessary” argument in the first place. I didn’t see it here until Nick started objecting to it.
I’m not sure who made the “is it necessary” argument in the first place. I didn’t see it here until Nick started objecting to it.
Good point. I’ve read the articles linked in the post and all the comments, and I don’t see it. Phooey. I let myself get dragged off-topic.
Sentence 1 of comment 3 implies it.
Nick,
I’m hesitant to respond, as I don’t want to start a debate in the comments here.
Your point is well taken, though I often find the movement in some circles toward “cultural engagement and/or transformation” also old and tired. Perhaps its just me, but that line of thought is too frequently tossed out as a justification by Christians to watch, listen, or read whatever they want to read with no actual consideration for the implications of the gospel on their choices.
My interest is less in debating content of television, movies, and music, and more on unpacking the gospel implications for how we spend our time. Again, not a content question, but more of a value question.
My question (and I’d honestly love to hear your thoughts) is not on whether or not the material in Mad Men (or any other television show Christian or otherwise) is immoral or moral, but why we are watching television or movies in the first place. Don’t we have better things to do? Are those hours time well spent?
Sorry for the longish response. I wasn’t trying to come off in a legalistic way. There is a growing trend within the evangelical population that labels any judgment with behavioral implications “legalism,” and that troubles me. How do we determine “right” and “wrong” in entertainment choices? Can we? Aren’t there some value judgments that are universal? How do we determine what are the gray areas of personal preference?
Do you know of any worthwhile materials that discuss the implications of the gospel on our leisure time?
BT,
These are all good questions to ask, but it is the type of question that elicits an answer that is not so much black and white.
First, in terms of whether or not something is worth one’s time, again, I think the thing which occupies one’s time must be judged by its qualitative value. That is, does this thing which I am choosing to have occupy my time glorify God by allowing me to learn more about His goodness, truth, and/or beauty? So whether or not things like television, movies, or books are a waste of time depend rather largely on the quality of the television, movies, or books.
But, that is not all. There is also the matter of vocation, which certainly bears on one’s hierarchy of priorities. Full disclosure: I have a BA and MA in English Literature and I, in the coming year, intend to pursue a PhD. Hence, if God continues to lead in this direction, I believe my calling is concerned with the humanities, culture, etc. Hence, watching quality television shows, films and reading quality books and listening to quality music, besides being good for the souls of everyone, are also of high importance given my vocational goals and present calling.
That said, I do not know ‘for sure’ that God will ‘call’ me to teach or write until I am teaching or writing. What I do know, however, is that I am undoubtedly called to do things like be a godly husband, father, church member, neighbor, etc. Hence, these things will, when conflicting, take precedent over the quality movie, book, etc.
It is largely a question of the heart. Are you spending much time doing something in glorification of the something and implicitly yourself? Or are you spending much time doing something toward the end of glorifying God?
Regarding legalism, it is sin. No question about it. But regarding labeling judgment of sin as “legalistic,” this, too, is equally sinful. Is it Biblical or is it not? That is the question, and we must be careful to support what Christ commands and not add to it, either.
I know that folks like Gene Edward Veith and Os Guinness have written well on culture, calling, time management, the arts, and vocation.
“Sentence 1 of comment 3 implies it.”
No, it does not in any way. Comment 3 is not asking if it is necessary, but if it is wise. Those are two clearly distinct questions. “Is it necessary” is a halfway rhetorical question that implies that that which is not necessary, is best avoided.
“Should we?” is simply the question that should be asked about everything we do, at every moment. But it is not a simple question, and is not answered by asking whether it is necessary, nor by whether it is forbidden, nor even by whether it is permitted, but by wisdom.
Clarification: it is answered by “is it forbidden” if the answer is, “Yes, it is forbidden.” But if the answer is “No, it is not forbidden,” that still doesn’t tell us whether we *should* do it.
Pentamom:
Both are implied by the “should we” because we know that the subject (watching Mad Men) is not explicitly forbidden. The question of relative necessity is always implied by the question of “should.” To ask if one “should” do something is always to implicitly ask of its necessity.
See definition 3 if you are still confused: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/should
Then go to “must” and see definition 2.
Either way, I am perplexed by your resistance toward the matter. Is it really something to get bent out of shape over? My point wasn’t really to confront comment three so much as to present the issue truthfully (though I did sense the issue was raised in comment 3). Is your problem with what I said or with why I said it? If it is the latter, then *should* you have commented? :) Seems unnecessary.
Either way, I still stand by my comments and think they’re edifying or worthwhile for many people who read this blog and misunderstand a Biblical approach to culture, the arts, etc.
I shared some “wisdom” on the issue in my most recent comment. Hopefully this alleviates your offense at my concern over the merits of doing only that which is necessary.
“To ask if one “should” do something is always to implicitly ask of its necessity.”
No, it isn’t. Think about real life for just a moment.
“Should I take a walk right now?”
Is it necessary? Is a walk with no destination in mind EVER necessary? Not at any given moment.
But maybe you should, because you need the exercise. Or the break from your routine, or time to reflect, or time with the person who will walk with you.
Or maybe you shouldn’t, because you’re legitimately too busy right now but will have time later. Or because you’re recovering from illness and had best wait another day for exercise. Or because you’re expecting an important phone call on your landline.
There are a thousand reasons why “should I do this” doesn’t mean “is it necessary.”
The question “should I” does not meant the same thing as “must I.” It means that you are considering whether it is a wise choice in all the existing circumstances, including those involving the nature of the thing itself, your own personal issues, and the other responsibilities/desires you have.
Oh, and as for why I’m bent out of shape — well, I don’t consider that a fair description of my reaction.
But I responded because someone legitimately suggested that we should always consider whether doing is something is good even if it is permissible, and you reacted to an argument that he didn’t make, in a way that dismissed his his concern entirely. I didn’t think it was fair to dismiss that concern at all.
Taking my previous “take a walk” example to something like a TV show, we can grant that many things that are not necessary are permissible, and still wind up asking ourselves whether spending the time watching it is a legitimate way to relax (it might be), to amuse ourselves (it might be) or is it something that would violate our consciences or present unnecessary temptations? Plenty of things, like chocolate mousse, are not necessary, can be harmful to some people but not others, but are fine to do. I would even say there are times a person *should* eat that mousse, because enjoying God’s material blessings is something we should all do, in the right ways, proportions, and circumstances. But it’s still not “necessary.” One can have a good and godly life without ever touching chocolate mousse — maybe you don’t even like it.
“Implies” is the key word.
Follow the dictionary definitions Pentamom.
But again, I’m less concerned with whether or not that is what comment 3 intened than I am with making the point. Let’s not argue over semantics.
And I did not dismiss his concern. Read my comments after my initial comment. I addressed his more specific concern after I addressed a common objection among evangelicals.
Well, I guess part of my point is that you can’t easily tell what Comment 3 intended, except to take it as written: we should consider the implications of the gospel for our leisure/entertainment choices. The “necessity” argument is not inherent in that point, unless you are assuming a fairly narrow approach on the commenter’s part — which he did not specify.
And sometimes dictionary definitions are less helpful than considering the way people most commonly use words in conversation. I think I can say that for most people “should” implies desirability on some undefined basis, rather than necessity.
Perhaps my overall point is just this simple: don’t assume what argument a person is making just because it sounds a little bit like, but is not quite the same as, something you’ve heard before and dislike. I need to take that advice frequently myself, BTW.
Pentamom
Very good advice. :)
What’s curious is that BT didn’t seem to take offense at my response to his comment! In fact, his response seemed to indicate that I was on to something.
Either way, Pentamom, I’m all for taking one for what he or she says. But, again, because I was not attacking BT, your point, while good advice, is more besides the point than you believe my initial comment was.
Again, do you dispute what I said as valuable in and of itself? And do you see that I responded more particularly to the “wisdom” issue further below my initial comment?
Let’s put this to rest.