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5 Reasons You Need to Join a Church
- 03/17/11
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A few days ago I was looking through my book The Discipline of Spiritual Discernment (though at this point I can’t remember why I was looking at it). It’s amazing how much you forget about a book a few years after you’ve written it. As I browsed through it I came across a portion that I found very helpful. And I can say that without pride since it was drawn from Mark Dever’s Nine Marks of a Healthy Church.
As I wrote about how a Christian ought to develop discernment, and as I wrote about the best context to develop discernment, I wanted to convince readers of the importance of the local church. So here are 5 reasons that Christians need to join a church:
1. For Assurance.
While a person should not feel he needs to join a church in order to be saved, he ought to join a church to be certain that he has been saved. Christians, those who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, will naturally gravitate towards other Christians and will desire to be with them, to learn from them, and to serve them. A person who professes Christ but feels no desire to be among his believing brothers and sisters is not a healthy Christian. Thus, eager participation in a local church and heartfelt attempts to measure our enthusiasm for that group of believers is a God-given way for us to assure ourselves that we are truly saved.
2. To Evangelize the World.
The gospel can best be spread through combined and collaborative efforts. Throughout the history of the church great men and women have attempted great things on their own and have often been successful. But more often, great things have been accomplished through the collaborate efforts of Christians working together. If we are to reach this world with the gospel message of Jesus Christ, we must share our efforts with other believers.
3. To Expose False Gospels.
As we interact with other believers, we will see what true Christianity is, which ought to expose the common belief that Christians are self-righteous, selfish individuals. As we labor, fellowship, and serve alongside other Christians, and as we observe the lives of other Christ-followers, we will see what biblical Christianity looks like. The more we see of genuine Christianity, the more the counterfeits will be exposed.
4. To Edify the Church.
Joining a church will help Christians counter their sinful individualism and teach them the importance of seeking to serve and edify others. The benefit of being a member of a local church is not primarily inward, but outward. Christians attend a local church so they might have opportunities to serve others and thus to serve God. Every Christian should be eager to serve within the church and to edify others through teaching, serving, and exercising the spiritual gifts.
5. To Glorify God
We can bring God glory through the way we live our lives. God is honored when we are obedient to him. He is glorified when his people come together in unity and harmony to find assurance, to evangelize the world, to expose false gospels, and to edify one another. God is glorified in and through the local church.

I am a follower of Jesus Christ, a husband to Aileen and a father to three young children. I worship and serve as a pastor at
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Comments (60)
It might be helpful to define “joining”. Do you mean gathering with other believers in your locality? Or are you referencing the process of formal church membership?
Hmm, no verses ? I just hope this is not a personal opinion.
Sigh…I ask this with completely honest frustration, no malice intended. Why should Christians become “official” members of a local church (go through the membership classes, sign a covenant, etc.)—what is the Biblical reason? Everything that you’ve outlined above as a reason to join the local church seems to actually be a reason to be involved in a local congregation; it doesn’t seem to be exclusive to church membership.
I’ve been a “regular attender” at my current congregation for 15 years. I’m not talking about a “Sunday flopper” who only comes, sits in the pew for an hour and a half and then goes home, but one who is (and has been) actively serving (primarily children’s and youth ministry, but also global some local outreach), giving financially, joining small groups and Bible studies, praying for the local church and beyond, etc. What Biblical reason is there for such a person to go through the seeming red tape of the membership classes, etc.? I’m not opposed to it, I just do not understand the point of it at all, and don’t want to undergo a process that I don’t understand, for reasons that I don’t understand, just to have, in effect, the same status in the Church (big C) that I already do (saved, baptized, evangelizing, serving, open to church discipline). What am I missing?
Thanks for this, Tim (and Mark Dever!) - last spring, I switched my family from a rather lukewarm megachurch to a passionate gospel-centered church. It may not appear as cool or relevant to certain eyes, but in the 8 or so months we’ve been there have been a time of spiritual nourishing. This post is the encouragement I need to get more deeply connected (and become members, rather than just regular attenders).
I agree with most of what you write most of the time, but I just don’t agree with this. No one in the New Testament joined a church and somehow the message got out without the red tape that happens in denominations and local churches. I know it’s not a popular opinion, but it is still a reality.
Jennifer, here’s what the 9Marks ministry has to say about membership:http://www.9marks.org/what-are-the-9marks/membership
I think the reason that may be most applicable to your situation is probably submitting to the authority of the church. As long as we are regular attenders (as I currently am at my own church), we don’t have the same sort of accountability that official members do.
I know my current church doesn’t allow people to serve in children’s ministry, attend small groups, vote on church matters, etc until they are members (one of the reasons my family and I need to become members, and soon). Part of this is that if you’ve gone through a membership process, the church may be more certain that you’re not a wolf among the flock, church discipline is more applicable, etc.
Hey Mr. Challies - woah this is stirring up some interesting feedback. I have a few friends who are dodgy about church membership - it would be great to have this walked through with some Scripture.Perhaps to see this expounded in a series - walking through the implications of joining and not joining. Or if you could link us to a good article/ site that has already done this that’d be most helpful in encouraging those who are not-convinced in the duty of committing to a local church. thanks
I like your stuff, Tim, but this is article is so deeply rooted in the preeminent legitimacy of institutional Churchianity that it hardly translates to those of us who see the Church as a family.
thanks for linking that Steve!
For those interested, and those who need to (Dan Smith), Mark Dever has a lot of solid biblical teaching on why church membership is of prime importance.
Just because Tim didn’t cover everything in this short post, doesn’t mean church membership is irrelevant…
I am blessed to be able to attend, and worship, and be fed, at my local church.I was talking with the pastor after he baptized an infant, and told him I am more a Baptist Reformed kind of guy then Episcopal Reformed.He expalined the teaching of infant baptism, and it is a teaching that is within the Bible, yet it’s not explicit, is it.Perhaps God will change my mind some day, but until that day I am blessed to be with my church, and not a member.They do however allow my wife to teach SS.I believe this pleases our Lord when Christians come together, having strong convictions that differ, and yet we love one another, and appreciate one another, and encourage & edify one another.Good post. And 5 good points.
Those who deny the plurality of elders taught in Scripture will not see the need for official church membership. For an elder to do his job, he’s got to know who his flock is and if they show evidence of a true conversion.
How does an elder know the difference between a believer and an unbeliever in his flock, if he has never had the opportunity to interview them? How does the newcomer to a church learn what the church believes and how it applies this theology (philosophy of ministry)?
Besides what Michael said, with which I wholeheartedly concur, what about the importance of a visible and definable commitment to the group? How does anyone know they can depend on you to be, and remain, part of the family, if you cop the attitude, “Hey, I act like part of the family, why do I have to PROMISE to be part of it?” Whether you intend it that way or not, that attitude could come across as an “out” for the day when the family doesn’t meet your expectations or you lose your enthusiasm for it, or whatever. And why is it always about “Prove to me that I have to do this” instead of “Would doing this enable me to serve others better by being a public affirmation of my commitment to them?”
Of course, all this presupposes that the hurdles of membership are not excessively high. It might interest outsiders to know that some of the groups with the biggest reputation for being theological sticklers (e.g. conservative Presbyterians) explicitly make a credible profession of faith in Christ the ONLY requirement for membership (although members will receive baptism if they have not previously done so.) Some congregations will require “membership classes” before the membership can be formalized, but some of us are rather negative on that idea. Assent to a distinctive statement of belief is not required and is not permitted to be made a requirement.
Michael, I affirm the plurality of elders in the church but I reject the notion of official church membership. The reason is quite simple. The Bible speaks often of elders and always in the plural. The Bible never speaks or even infers the need for “official” church membership and even staunch defenders of “official” church membership would admit that when pressed.
The problem I am seeing is that too many people have a false “either-or” view. Either you are an “official” member of a local church, meaning you go through the extra-Biblical requirements set forth by that church or you are a crazed lone wolf Christian who hates the church and rejects authority.
Pentamom, in my perspective, it is the lack of any requirements for membership that decreases the relevance of formal church membership. In most of the churches I have attended/been a member of, a man could walk into a church one Sunday morning, talk to a deacon/pastor for 2 minutes, fill out a small card with maybe one theological question on it (“Have you accepted Christ as your personal Lord and Savior?”, perhaps a second “have you been baptized following a public profession?”) and be immediately granted full and equal church membership. Meanwhile, I served in a church for several years while at college, attending there about 80-90% of Sundays, serving in the music ministry, active in the college sunday school classes and social activities, joining in many ministry projects …. just because I went home (it was only a couple hours away) every couple months to be with family and attended my “home” church those times (and served there as well when able), does the fact I never filled out a little card change my place in the hearts of that congregation and their place in mine?
I would argue that churches, even ones I dearly love, that do not have any extra requirements for membership invite a crop of “members” into their body that are uncommitted and wrongly secure in their sanctification. “Oh well I joined Main Street Baptist 3 years ago, I don’t need to worry about reading my Bible nowadays” I could easily imagine, and perhaps have experienced, coming from folk in these environments.
TIM CHALLIES FAIL. 1) If you join a church to be assured of your salvation by Americanity, you’re going to be sorely disappointed—you’d be better off going Swiss Family Robinson, 2) Membership in a local church ought to be organic, marked by Baptism, and not because you’re inclined to participate in causes you deem noble and worthy of your attention, and, 3) Baptism is the marker of membership and anything beyond faithful regular participation is going beyond the biblical requirements—not that polity and good order isn’t important, but part of the problem here with the American church is defending a sort of sacrosanct institutionalism that has been spiritually bankrupt for a long, long time. The institutionalism needs to go and a real and vibrant participation in a local covenant community needs to stay.
Arthur Sido, if you hold a plurality of elders, how then does each elder know who to shepherd? In a day when everyone calls themselves a Christian, how does he know if they are a believer or not? How does the elder know if the non-member has issues with the Bible, which many churches have in a statement of faith?
I totally agree with you on the importance of belonging to a local church. Unfortunately, especially for those of us living in rural areas, finding a church that comes even close to acceptable is very difficult. In this case, belonging to a church can be bad for your spiritual health.
Thanks for raising this point, Tim.
As far as biblical support for the necessity of church membership, one way to think about this is in terms of how it relates to church discipline. How would it be possible for a church to excommunicate someone (see 1 Cor. 5:4-5), an act which certainly seems to be official, if there is no clear definition of who belongs to the community in the first place?
Also, as mentioned in an earlier comment, how can the elders of a church keep watch over the souls of a flock (see Acts 20:28; Heb. 13:17) if that flock is undefined? Which sheep are under their care? Which ones will they have to answer to the Lord for? Is it anyone who walks in the door? Doesn’t the language of having someone “over you in the Lord” indicate some kind of formal admittance into the community?
Also, Paul says that Timothy “made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.” (1 Tim. 6:12) This would seem to be referring to a public profession of faith.
Also, there are passages like Acts 2:41, 47, which talk about converts being added to the number of the church. It sounds like there was some form of church roll.
Finally, I offer this link to a paper I read to a group of fellow ministers several months ago: http://www.gracepcanh.org/files/CHRISTIANS_ALMA_MATER_ETS.pdf
Yes, there is nothing like a reasoned defense of institutionalism. Too bad it bears little weight in regards to the pastoral issue at hand.
The problem here is definitional. No sense is made out of saying every Christian *should be* a member of a church. The Bible doesn’t argue as if we should be talking in this way. Every Christian *is* a part of the Church whether they like it or not. The Bible exhorts us to faithful attendance and participation in obeying the Commandments, but does not anachronistically require us to go join a church as if that same sort of structure and institutionalism existed in the days of the Apostles.
The question is really one of faithfulness and not always a matter of the individual’s faithfulness but also that of the local bodies we now call churches. Given that most American churches practice Americanity rather than biblical Christianity, it really is pastorally unwise to strongly suggest that we depart from the biblical advice of participation and instead advocate an unnecessary and overly formal institutionalism we like to call membership. How about instead adapting our institutions to the biblical requirements?
By definition, a Christian is a member of the Body of Christ and as such is part of *any* body they attend locally already whether the institutionalized church recognizes it or not. And, membership then should be recognized by faithful and regular participation and not by pretending there is some set of requirements in place for a potential member to pretend is relevant to the matter.
All: If you look at every single passage in the NT that talks about membership in the church, every one assumes that all believers are ALREADY members of the body of Christ. A “formal” membership is an extra-biblical concept. Read the passages about how membership occurs. 1 Cor 12:13: “For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body…” 1 Cor 12:18: “But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired.”
Many, many churches with “formal” memberships do not allow obedient “regular attenders” to use their gifts (as commanded by God) in the areas where they are gifted. Church leaders prohibiting Christians from obeying God? Hmmm. If the Scriptures say that we are already members placed by God and the Spirit, why something extra-biblical tacked on to that?
Michael asked, “…how then does each elder know who to shepherd?” Well, since all baptized Christians who assemble are alredy members according to the bible, the answer would be everybody who assembles. Do leaders avoid their responsibilities with formal memberships? I think formal memberships create the very problem they are designed to prevent. Imagine allowing Christians to sin because you don’t think you have a responsibility to hold those very souls who live lives with you every week accountable because they haven’t signed on your extra-biblical dotted line.
Here’s an alternative idea for “formal” membership. “But now GOD has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired.” What could be more formal than that? You want a biblical membership? Make a list of all in attendance, then hold them to the word of God. That would eliminate all the guesswork. If people want out of that, then let them out.
Steve,
An excellent presentation of what I am saying. Thank you!
Regarding the issue of discipline, we have to remember that discipline is not just a matter of dealing with immoral or unrepentant believers but also formative in nature. That is, it chiefly occurs through the preaching and teaching of God’s Word. There is just as much formative discipline in the preaching of God’s Word as their is in counseling sessions.
Our problem today is that we do not have faith in God, his Word, or the means by which He has ordained for it to be effective: namely, through preaching and teaching. Instead, we have overly zealous elders prosecuting all manners of petty silliness in the name of discipline.
Interesting discussion. I think much of what is being argued here is based on experience. My church denomination (URCNA) does membership differently than what most of the posters here seem to experience.Children are baptised and considered members of the church body. However, they do not participate in communion. Once they do profession of faith (usually sometime after teenagehood or early adulthood) they are considered full members, may participate in communion, receive their own yearly elder visits (although, realistically, this is often done in the family setting to save time) and are subject to church discipline if, Lord forbid, ever necessary.
The idea that church membership is an “extra-biblical” requirement is only half true. It depends a lot on what shape that membership takes.
“…he ought to join a church to be certain that he has been saved.”
Well, the other points (2 through 5) make generally good sense (and of course we can all debate about what “join” means, but I think that all here know what it basically means). Anyone could argue with details, but the generalities are solid.
But the above quote (from point 1) has still has me puzzled. Why should my belonging (in whatever way) to an organization provide me with any assurance? I can’t think of a single passage in Scripture that would back up that assertion.
Steve Scott said “since all baptized Christians who assemble are already members according to the bible”.
How do we know they are a “baptized Christian”? Your answer assumes some knowledge of the member, as if someone has talked to them, or interview them.
Otherwise your definition of baptized Christian is up to the person claiming it, which will included any Roman Catholic baptized at birth, easy-believism-pray-a-quick prayer baptists, Jehovah witness, Mormons, and more.
Michael,
No, none of what we are saying excludes legitimate discipline or standards nor does it mean that polity can’t be understood differently (for example, the Baptist notion that someone’s baptism is invalid prior to being converted is not in line with a historic classical Protestant understanding of the same nor is it explicitly addressed in Scripture).
But, what we have been saying is that the true mark of membership is in fact Baptism as the Bible quite clearly dictates. In Acts 10:44-48 when Peter encountered Gentiles filled with the Spirit he didn’t ask them to fill out membership cards and take vows (like you might in the URCNA for example). Nor was there any signing of a church covenant to assure elders you would submit to discipline in lieu of the old strictures of a European society that once actually enforced discipline involuntarily. There was only the apostolic call to have them baptized and as a result meant that they were to be included as members.
The real sticking point here is that the blood of Jesus Christ and His sacrifice is that which unites us all together and that is true no matter what church you attend. Having a choice to attend one or another local body is only a recent luxury due to our times and the society we live in. But, if we are truly Christian, we are already members of them all or we are not really one in Christ.
The real question is why wouldn’t you want to…?
Being a member of a local church adds responsibility, commitment, etc. You may be very involved in your church, but if one day you decide not to, there is no accountability, not ‘discipline’ if you will.
Zach,
Becoming a formal member of a church does not guarantee responsibility, commitment, or a legitimate exercise of likely much-needed discipline. All of that is voluntary in this society and can be had with OR without membership cards, church rolls, church covenants, membership and attendance pins, public avowal/disavowal in front of a congregation and the like. Or, all of those things can be equally deserted just as quickly.
Formal membership does little if anything to guarantee that people are responsible or that discipline is capably performed except to help make the exercise of such things an institutional norm in the eyes of those who accept the boundaries provided without much thought or resort to what the Bible actually says. Until we reform churches to the point where formal local membership resembles actual membership in the Body of Christ by fully recognizing the import of Baptism, churches and members both will continue to suffer from the stone dead cold environment of Americanity’s institutionalism.
What Andy said. I see Biblical support for membership, but none for the arguments against it.
It sounds to me like many of the assumptions on the side of non-membership are made from the standpoint of those who have not experienced difficulty with personal commitment to a church. (For clarification, gathering evidence for what your opinion on the concept of membership is not what I mean by “difficulty” here.) Isn’t it more accurate that the very idea of submitting to becoming a joiner is undesirable the prevailing institutional postmodern thought here?
Waiting for the church to be reformed to the point at which it is somehow worthy of membership seems both backward and impractical. I think we can agree there will never be a perfect church, and you will have no voice in improving the state of the body if you are obstinately proclaiming yourself above membership within it. There are many churches who require recognition of the import of Baptism, reformed theological tenets, etc, so I guess the argument regarding that might only apply to those few facing physical isolation from any viable option. It makes me wonder if secondary issues are perhaps erroneously being made central when that complaint is employed to justify non-membership.
I truly never had thought of the membership question until I attended a church without it. It seems to me that commitment raises the responsibility of both myself and my church above that of a social club, to the level where I will love even (especially) those whom I would not necessarily choose.
Also, repeating “Americanity” does nothing to clarify your meaning and I am mildly curious what viewpoint you have as it seems to enrage you so.
Miriam,
Where did I indicate “non-membership”??? If anything, I am arguing for a stronger membership by virtue of our identity and not based off of some action or promise we’ve made or decision the local body has made to include us. Furthermore, I’m reflecting a version of church membership which is decidedly historical and Reformed. The English churches have been practicing this sort of membership for well over five hundred years and it was the default practice even prior to the Reformation though that is perhaps oversimplifying the matter for the moment and only done to make the initial point about where this view originated.
The point here is that Baptism signifies and obligates every believer in every way that other formal membership requirements seek to endorse and make possible. This is simply because Baptism is a symbol of what ought to be a reality—the saved individual who gladly participates regularly in the life of the local church by virtue of faith in Jesus Christ. It is a covenant sign by which we see the actual relationship and it is the biblical means by which we include people into membership both locally and universally.
The unfortunate canard of pointing to experience on your part is simply irrelevant. Either you believe what the Bible says regarding our identity in Christ as one (Romans 6/Gal. 3:27-28) or you don’t. There is no need for extended argumentation. The Bible lays these things out quite apart from our anachronistic attempts to imply that formal church membership in our day has anything to do with what the Apostles, the believers at that time, and our Lord actually envisioned from the pages of the Old and New Testaments.
Last, in terms of local fellowship, there is also no reason why one can’t hold this view in line with what the Bible says and comply graciously with others who feel differently in terms of membership. No one is here talking about waiting to be a part of a local church until all churches reform. We are only calling churches to be in line with what the Bible says.
Really? Open to church discipline? Really?With all due respect, when one is “sinning” so bad as to require discipline the first thing they - might - say is: “Hey! I never joined your church, leave me alone!” I find that that is thee best reason one should join/become a member of a church, so they have no excuse when they sin and their church comes a’ callin’ to hold them accountable…. Hope that made sense.
Terry,
People say that (“leave me alone!”) even when they are members as any experienced elder will tell you. As I said, membership is no barrier to avoiding discipline in this society and never will because submission to discipline is entirely voluntary.
We do not rely on the Holy Spirit enough to work here and instead prefer to lean on artificial devices like church membership to steer errant members. Better that we pray, preach, be faithful, and let God work.
Paul was anything but extra-biblical when sending letters to what he called churches in Galatia, Thessalonica, and Corinth that where recognizable and identifiable congregations. Nor was John in his 2nd epistle, which was addressed “to the elect lady and her children.” In Acts 2:41, about 3,000 souls where added to the church, the Bride of Christ and the congregation in Jerusalem. Paul instructed the church (those inside the church) in Corinth to exercise church discipline against the unrepentent sinner in 1 Cor 5. Again this points to an identifiable group.
Christ said in Matt. 16:18-19 that He will build His church and then He gives the power of the keys to the church on earth to bind and loose. Jonathan Leeman unpacks the power of the keys in his book The Church and the Surprising Offense of God’s Love and argues that Jesus gives His authority to the local church to bind and loose people to the gospel (membership).
The local church cannot be separated from the Bride of Christ. Every biblical local congregation is an earthly manifestation and outpost of the Bride. To separate the two adds a duplicity that is not present in Scripture.
Lastly, those of you arguing against local church membership, do you argue against this while attending a local church (presumably Biblical) that has elders and formal church membership? If so, are you really submitting to those elders (Heb. 13:7) by eschewing membership? The local church was instituted at Pentecost and part of God discplaying His manifold wisdom since then. Americanity is more the independent spirit tearing down the local church today than those in humble submission in a church and attempting to live out and display the power of the gospel in front of an unbelieving world.
Geoff,
Except for the ad hominem and misdirection of your last paragraph, there is nothing about local churches here that I’ve denied. How can advocating local regular faithful participation in the life of a community of believers be anything apart from what the Bible teaches? That’s what I’m advocating.
But, in saying so, I’m simply arguing that local church membership is something different than it has been construed typically by churches in America. Being present to participate makes you part of a local body whether you have a membership card or pre-printed offering envelopes to pass in the plate or not. Discipline, both formative and corrective, is not necessarily mitigated by giving up the sort of institutionalism we have decried and no one has proven such from the pages of Scripture.
To your last paragraph I would say that while I agree in the plurality of elders, I do not believe the majority of current Reformed (“Reformed Baptist”/Presbyterian/or otherwise) elders practice it in line with biblical principles save perhaps a very few (the faithful among the lingering Dutch Reformed perhaps exist as an exception). I also don’t believe the Bible necessitates an elder-led church as is commonly argued but rarely proven. I would recommend the work of Richard Hooker and Herman Bavinck on the subject for those interested in further arguments in that regard. We have to realize that there is a sort of elder plurality that functions just as tyrannical as the Roman system and that all believers are prophets, priests, and kings before God through Christ and by His Holy Spirit. Just once, however, I’d love to have this discussion without folks making it personal.
I’m sorry I misunderstood you to mean you thought formal membership meaningless and poorly advised. If, for you, the filling out of a card or the inclusion on a list is not “membership” then we appear to be talking about different things. Are we not discussing the *difference* between some kind of deliberate & formalized commitment (which in modern times indeed usually involves signing our name), and the attend and voila you are a member non-commitment?
If I move towns, should I be re-baptized? If I was baptized but then later come to a different understanding of the doctrine of Baptism or join a church with a different approach, should I be re-baptized?
When a church offers to baptize me, should they have me fill out a card and sign something or confess an understanding to them of what I am doing? Isn’t that what the membership process generally does? Is it inaccurate to say Baptism is certainly covered in the process of joining most churches?
How does an elder know the difference between a believer and an unbeliever in his flock, if he has never had the opportunity to interview them? How does the newcomer to a church learn what the church believes and how it applies this theology (philosophy of ministry)?
Coffee?
Miriam,
Membership is found visibly first in Baptism but then later in a demonstration of commitment by regular faithful attendance and obedience of the Commandments and not by signing your name to some card or book or going up front and professing loyalty to the elders and the church. Contrary to revivalist mentalities, Baptism is a profession of faith and a public witness. ‘Walking the aisle’ is yet another extrabiblical pseudo-sacramental practice that is nowhere in the Bible.
Most churches issue a baptismal certificate which I have little problem with but the point of the certificate is not you’ve got this piece of paper and now you’re a member. The certificate is merely a written witness to what has already happened by virtue of your profession of faith and subsequent Baptism. How all this practically works out is likely a matter of individual local communions deciding the best way to handle it. But, look at your questions and how you phrase them—the answer is not to be “modern” in how we address this but to be biblical.
As far as Baptism goes, there is no need for rebaptism contra what some of my Baptist friends and brothers may want to say. There is absolutely no precedent for that in the Scriptures (fighting words I know).
The point is that churches need to recognize people for the Christians that they are and allow them to serve among them if God brings them there without any sort of additional extrabiblical strings attached. As I said, in reality, this works out to be a much stronger view of church membership than the artificial devices Challies and others here advocate. We need to be busy with what the Lord requires (Micah 6:8) and not all the other things that people come up with in order to think themselves in the right as far as being Christian.
Informal and voluntary membership is not historical in England as I have searched for and found ancestors in Protestant churches in England and Ireland in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Apart from that, I invite you to actually interact with what I wrote, instead of what you did by skipping over it and jumping to where you judge (ad hominem) the majority of Reformed Baptist and Presbyterian churches.
Thank you, Kevin Johnson, for your post. I was an unsaved church member for years and am saddened that many in mainline churches view their church membership as their salvation. Since becoming truly born again, I have viewed many church ruling structures and activities as a waste of time. When we will simply “be” the church instead of “doing” church the lost and dying world will take notice. So simple.
Geoff,
If you read carefully, you will see that I granted your initial defense of distinct local bodies. What I did not agree with was your unfounded assertion that such necessarily represents itself in formal membership processes of American churches or in the institutionalism of American denominational bodies.
In regards to your assertion regarding England, I never asserted that being a member was a mere informality or voluntary. On the whole, if you moved to a new town in England you became part of the parish of that town or district and that parish recognized your original membership by way of your Baptism and not by transfer of letter, by statement, or by some other newly minted process. That was also true, incidentally, if you came from the continent.
As for the indictment of elder boards, I can only say it comes after much long and hard years of experience. You might compare similar words of Paul in Titus 1:12 ff. and realize I am speaking generally/covenantally. Judgments and statements to that effect are not inappropriate if they are true. If that offends, so be it. Just remember, you’re the one that started the inappropriate questions in the midst of a theological discussion.
If membership matters not, does the tithe matter? Without the tithe, does the pastor matter? Without the pastor, does the Church matter? Without the Church, does Christ matter?
Christ have mercy upon us.
I believe USA (#41) just demonstrated an extreme case of what we call the “slippery slope fallacy.” None of those questions, save perhaps the last, have any apparent logic.
I am gay - medically proven. I have been married to my wife for 40 yrs and I am not sexually active. I am not out generally but soon will be. Here gays, practicing or not are not welcome to lead, teach, exercise any ministry or do any act of Christian service. On top of that, we attended a life group for the first time recently and they raised the topic and said “Gays are f.gg.ts and p..fters who are not welcome to even attend the church”. That was the last straw for me. I walked out and I shall never return…ever. The WHOLE POINT of Rom 1 is Rom 2:1 which says “You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgement on someone else.” Heterosexuals sinners are not better sinners than gays. Attend or join a church? No way in the wide world! (I am a retired Baptist Pastor and missionary.)
For the last 4+ years we have been a faithful part of a local body. Due to their extensive covenant statement we are not official members (we won’t sign). But here we are—we tithe, we submit, we faithfully attend, and we serve restrictively where they let us (they break their rules to allow us to serve). And still, we are not counted among the “identifiable group.”
Yet, all this while, we have seen numerous people come, be interviewed, sign all the paperwork, and then eventually depart the church. What did interviewing them and their signing the documents really gain? Seems an ill way to define faithfulness.
We would go elsewhere where we could really belong and be considered as one among the body, but we live in a rural area and there aren’t many options.
Ah, it’s hard to be square pegs. Painful!
@Michael (comment #25),
You wrote, “Steve Scott said [from comment #21] ‘since all baptized Christians who assemble are already members according to the bible.’ How do we know they are a ‘baptized Christian’? ”
Michael, most churches I’m aware of issue a certificate of baptism. Many people’s friends, relatives and churches also take pictures and/or videos. It wouldn’t really be too difficult to prove. Or have witnesses sign a statement. And if there is no such record, why not take the person’s word for it?
You also wrote: “Otherwise your definition of baptized Christian is up to the person claiming it, which will included any Roman Catholic baptized at birth, easy-believism-pray-a-quick prayer baptists, Jehovah witness, Mormons, and more.”
Michael, think about what you said for a minute. If any one from the group of people you mentioned showed up at your church falsely claiming to be a Christian, how long would it take all of you to figure out that it wasn’t the case? Not long at all, I would guess. Remember, an *apostle* baptized Simon the Sorcerer in Acts 8 based on not much more - if any more at all - than his word that he believed.
“Or have witnesses sign a statement. And if there is no such record, why not take the person’s word for it?”
But that was what Michael was saying. At a minimum, you at least have to have SOME process of talking to the person and having him verify that, even if it’s merely taking his word. Even just asking that question is a step beyond “everyone who walks in the door should be considered a member.” You can’t just assume that everyone who walks in the door and starts behaving in a certain way is a “member” in the proper sense, even if your concept of membership is very informal. If you both teach that everyone in the church is a member of the Body, and have no means of determining someone’s status in the church AT ALL, except by watching them walk in the door and start doing certain visible things, then being in the garage really DOES make you a car.
“People say that (“leave me alone!”) even when they are members as any experienced elder will tell you. ”
Sure they can say that. But if you have a way of determining who actually is or is not under the discipline of the church, you have the means of saying “I’m not allowed to do that, and if you run from it you’re compounding your sin.” If you don’t, how do you tell the person he’s accountable to you before God whether he likes it or not? It’s not just about getting him to cooperate with you, it’s also about being able to testify to him truthfully about his situation.
As for “every baptized Christian who walks in the door is automatically part of the local body and under the discipline of the church,” if consistently applied, this raises the specter of the elders having to follow up on every visitor because he did not faithfully join the assembly subsequently, even though he may only have been passing through town. I’m sure people would be greatly benefited by having to prove they showed up at their own home churches the next week, every time they go visiting out of town, to avoid church discipline.
Michael,
Arthur Sido, if you hold a plurality of elders, how then does each elder know who to shepherd? In a day when everyone calls themselves a Christian, how does he know if they are a believer or not? How does the elder know if the non-member has issues with the Bible, which many churches have in a statement of faith?
If the church meets for an hour or two a week and the majority of attenders sit mutely in their pew wearing their Sunday best while someone else preaches, I would imagine it would be difficult indeed. How do you tell a genuine Christian from an unbeliever in that case? If however the church lived in actual community with one another, those who believe would become apparent.
If you believe that someone affirming a statement of faith means they are orthodox, you frankly are being somewhat naive. The typical statement of faith is more of a divider to keep other Christians out than it is a guardian against heresy.
This whole conversation exposes the bigger issue. This goes way beyond formal church membership and gets to a basic misunderstanding of the church. What is instructive is how little this conversation engages in the text when it comes to defending the formal church membership notion. Little wonder defenders are left with vague generalties and “what about this” questions. What does Scripture say about the church? What are the commands and examples we see? When you step back from our accepted church traditions and rituals retained from Rome, it becomes apparent that what we culturally understand as “church” bears little resemblance to the New Testament. Far too often the church has dismissed as “descriptive” the important examples we see in Scripture and accepted as normative our traditions in spite of their lack of Scriptural support.
If you are a Christian, you are my brother or sister in Christ and we should seek more, not less, opportunity to be in community and fellowship without adding manmade restrictions. The proper application of reformed theology should lead to less division in the church rather than more, i.e. when division is manifested in church membership in one local church to the exclusion of others. If God chose me, and He did, and He chose you, then who are we to divide ourselves from others because they are a “member” in that church and I am a “member” in this church? Reformed theology coupled with Roman ecclesiology leads to an awfully muddled mess.
USA,
If membership matters not, does the tithe matter? Without the tithe, does the pastor matter? Without the pastor, does the Church matter? Without the Church, does Christ matter?
Yikes.
As an elder of a local church it is always a joy to welcome in new members. Our process is simple and to the point. It is formal in that we ask for prospective members to fill out an application which includes their testimony of salvation, baptism, etc. We then schedule an in home interview where one of the elders visits the person/family. After the elders meet the member(s) are then welcomed into the congregation formally and covenant vows are read and affirmed by members and elders. Does the Bible outline this procedure? No it does not but we have this procedure in place to be faithful to our God given rolls as elders. The Bible does not give an order of service for worship but does give elements for worship. God has granted us the freedom to order that worship in a way that we believe pleases Him. We take all of the New Testament commands for the elder to membership relationship very seriously as well as the member to elder relationship.
What we have discovered over time is that we are better able to serve the needs of our members when we know them in this way. We as elders spend a good deal of time with our people and are able to tend the sheep, feed the lambs, and bind up those who are sick. We see this step of church membership as proactive in caring for and shepherding the flock of God among us. We genuinely care for those whom the Lord has made us overseers knowing that one day we will give an account to our Lord and Savior for their souls.
We also understand that there are some who are wolves who will seek to come in and destroy the church. So we are on guard for them as well. We take church membership seriously and are greatly concerned for the spiritual well being of those who do not join a local church. As a believer and not just as an elder I need the oversight our other elders provide me. They care for my soul and hold me accountable to my task. As a sinner in need of constant grace I need this and so do all of you. I hope that you read this as a plea and not as a rebuke.
Our churches would be stronger and more evangelistic and glorifying to the Lord if more of you would covenant with your local church to support its work and work to maintain its purity. We are talking about the Bride of Christ not the Kiwanis Club.