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Dislike of Dogma
- 03/14/09
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It has been a bit of a theme in my life lately--the timeliness and relevance of words spoken or words written many years ago. Such is this case with this quote from the pen of J.C. Ryle, who wrote about the dislike of dogma that was so powerfully present in his day and age. Here is what Ryle had to say, words that could as easily be written about our day:
[Dislike of dogma] is an epidemic which is just now doing great harm, and specially among young people.... It produces what I must venture to call...a "jelly-fish" Christianity in the land: that is, a Christianity without bone, or muscle, or power. A jelly-fish...is a pretty and graceful object when it floats in the sea, contracting and expanding like a little, delicate, transparent umbrella. Yet the same jelly-fish, when cast on the shore, is a mere helpless lump, without capacity for movement, self-defense, or self-preservation. Alas! It is a vivid type of much of the religion of this day, of which the leading principle is, "No dogma, no distinct tenets, no positive doctrine." We have hundreds of "jelly-fish" clergymen, who seem not to have a single bone in their body of divinity. They have not definite opinions; they belong to no school or party; they are so afraid of "extreme views" that they have no views at all. We have thousands of "jelly-fish" sermons preached every year, sermons without an edge, or a point, or a corner, smooth as billiard balls, awakening no sinner, and edifying no saint. We have Legions of "jelly-fish" young men annually turned out from our Universities, armed with a few scraps of second-hand philosophy, who think it a mark of cleverness and intellect to have no decided opinions about anything in religion, and to be utterly unable to make up their minds as to what is Christian truth. They live apparently in a state of suspense, like Mohamet's fabled coffin, hanging between heaven and earth...and last, and worst of all, we have myriads of "jelly-fish" worshippers-respectable Church-going people, who have no distinct and definite views about any point in theology. They cannot discern things that differ, any more than color-blind people can distinguish colors. They think everybody is right and nobody wrong, everything is true and nothing is false, all sermons are good and none are bad, every clergyman is sound and no clergyman is unsound. They are "tossed to and fro, like children, by every wind of doctrine"; often carried away by any new excitement and sensational movement; ever ready for new things, because they have no firm grasp on the old; and utterly unable to "render a reason of the hope that is in them." ...Never was it so important for laymen to hold systematic views of truth, and for ordained ministers to "enunciate dogma" very clearly and distinctly in their teaching.

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Growing up in the south where church going equated to a chore for many youths, I look back and ask myself why we viewed it in such a way? Why were we "jelly-fish" believers? It was because we know nothing about what it was we believed! There was little Bible being taught on Sunday, no mention of strong theology, no mention of the devastating eternity we would suffer without the doctrine of justification. I count myself lucky to be around a few strong brothers in Christ, and we sought this knowledge, we read Scriptures and could find no other conclusion except to study more! These following verses always encourage me to keep studying, keep learning, keep building my "bones" of belief. I don't want to be a "jelly-fish" Christian. And its a daily fight not to be.
There is gold and abundance of costly stones; but the lips of knowledge are a precious jewel. (Proverbs 20:15)
You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. (John 8:32)
Interestingly, J.C. Ryle was an Anglican. I wonder if he was primarily thinking of his fellow Anglican clergymen.
You are right Ryle was mainly addressing the Anglican Church, but in the first part of this sermon he said that the Presbyterians and the Baptists were only doing a little better then themselves when it came to having a theological backbone. He then goes on to so that having a dogmatic theology will not scare people away, and tells them all (this message was preached at a clergy meeting) that C.H. Spurgeon was so popular (he was alive at this time) Because he was preaching dogma where they were not.
Great quote Tim!
Fabulous quote. It's almost scary how timely it is. Thanks, Tim. What is the source and date of the quote? I'd like to share it with my pastor who seeks to see his congregation grow more of a "backbone," theologically speaking.
Very good quote. I have always loved Eph 4:13 - 'until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.'
We cannot be afraid of doctrine and theology. The problem most had with it in the past, and today, as Ryle speaks to, is that many people have approached doctrine and theology with arrogance and a very divisive spirit, which was probably also linked to a power struggle. We need to study and learn doctrine, know God's Word, but not at the expense of arrogance, pride, power and a divisive spirit. As we study with humility, wisdom and grace, we can then learn to build a solid backbone in Biblical understanding instead of being 'jellyfish'.
I agree with Ryle and disagree. Yes, there is great fear of "dogma" today, but that fear itself leads to a new dogma, namely the dogma that "everybody is right and nobody wrong, everything is true and nothing is false, all sermons are good and none are bad, every clergyman is sound and no clergyman is unsound." People have not abandoned absolute dogmas, they have simply replaced the biblical ones with new ones. So in a sense they are like jellyfish, but in another sense they are not, for they can be counted on to defend their slipperiness with great vigor.
In response to Michael: in reality, people today do have a new dogma: they are convinced they are right in their views of nobody being wrong or unsound. And those who hold to Biblical dogmas are intolerant. And they cannot tolerate that!
So how in the world did J.C. Ryle get a hold of a time machine and visit present-day America? That's gonna be bugging me all night.
Dave - I was just reading from Dorothy Sayers "Lost Tools of Learning" today... I wonder if she rode shotgun with Ryle. It is to Tim's point, this timelessness and relevance of authors who observe the world through the lens of revealed Truth.
What's old is new again, but was never really old... just out of fashion.
Unbelievable. I've been reading Machen's Christianity and Liberalism published in 1923 and can not help notice that he dealt with the same thing we're dealing with. Modern book for it's time. Like Ryle. Thanks for sharing the quote.
Another way to phrase what Michael was saying is that there are many today who believe in the "absolute truth" that there is no absolute truth. ;-)
I have to wonder to what degree a dislike of dogma is born of seeing people who are dogmatic about stuff that they have no reason whatsoever to be dogmatic about. Granted, to swing the pendulum the other way is wrong too, but it's certainly been my experience that the origins of dislike of dogma are the overly-dogmatic.
First time reading anything on this website. Thanks for the Ryle quote. I was just reading him this Sabbath afternoon. What, please, is the source of that quotation?
Thanks and blessing in Christ, David Linden
J.C. Pyle has it right. What more can anyone expect, the Clergymen are taught by men who are "jelly-fish" in the schools they attend. They listen to men rather than to the Father. The all have a burning desire to do Gods will but have no clue where to begin.The Clergymen can do nothing by themselves. They can only do what they see the Father do. The Father does the work. Gods authority is not delegated to man to function independently.
This too is my first time here and my first time reading Ryle. The scriptures sat that there is "nothing new under the sun" and this is no different. I am venturing out in the very near future to start a men's ministry in our congregation and though I have never thought of it the manner that Ryle describes it, we have become a church of little substance when pulled out of our comfort zone; a great deal like a jelly fish out of water. "Strong churches are built on the backs of strong men" (Not mine as original thought but I sure wish it was). Therefore, a church doing what is has been caled to do can not do so if led by "jellyfish" men. Praise God in all His glory and may we do what He asks of us each day. Be Blessed. In His Majesty's Service, Chris.
Love Ryle. Got his "Knots Untied" second hand for $3 (AUS) at a giant second hand booksale here near Wollongong. Especially helpful for Anglican evangelicals as alluded too, but seemingly able to cross times and situations well also.
Tim, any chance of the reference/source for this quote? (Or did I blindly miss it?)